GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 711
dragoontheguy | Posted 5/11/2009 8:38:42 AM | message detail |
err... that was to charmander --- "A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything." - Friedrich Nietzsche http://www.last.fm/user/dragoontheguy |
charmander6000 | Posted 5/11/2009 8:44:34 AM | message detail |
If anyone cares the 2k4 stats predict that Street Fighter II would get 30.18% against SMB3. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls BGE2 - Today's Match: SMB3 > SFII Points: 101/144 |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/11/2009 8:47:15 AM | message detail |
SF2 has declined without doubt from then, though. --- http://www.xboxlc.com/cards/blue2/Albion%20Hero.jpg http://img2.gelbooru.com/images/34/14a0c4231b6fe6e9657190b033e368594f4a462c.jpg |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/11/2009 8:49:10 AM | message detail |
Though 2004 stats are garbage Goldeneye (2004g) VS Super Mario RPG (2004g) Goldeneye has a strength of 27.38. Super Mario RPG has a strength of 30.26. Super Mario RPG wins with 54.76% of the vote! A win of 7,280 with 76,491 total votes cast. Going by them, Goldeneye has become a beast the last 5 years to be able to beat super mario rpg --- http://www.xboxlc.com/cards/blue2/Albion%20Hero.jpg http://img2.gelbooru.com/images/34/14a0c4231b6fe6e9657190b033e368594f4a462c.jpg |
charmander6000 | Posted 5/11/2009 8:54:40 AM | message detail |
SF2 has declined without doubt from then, though. I don't think so, Ryu has never looked weaker since 2004, maybe in 2005, but he bounced back the next year. There's nothing that really suggests that SFII is weaker. Going by them, Goldeneye has become a beast the last 5 years to be able to beat super mario rpg OoT/GE had SFF, the N64 only had three godly games. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls BGE2 - Today's Match: SMB3 > SFII Points: 101/144 |
paulg235 | Posted 5/11/2009 9:07:20 AM | message detail |
I'm gonna reach a conclusion about Street Fighter. The games and the series do poorly in these contests, but the characters do well (Ryu). --- The Gamer In Me http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=158 |
KanzarisKelshen | Posted 5/11/2009 9:08:09 AM | message detail |
Meh,
I don't see how this is anything but a spectacular performance from
SMB3. It's doubling two games that DO have legitimate strength, and
this is probably going to get worse as we venture into the ASV. Sonic
has an awesome morning vote, but I feel like Mario is going to suck up
the kiddie votes like crazy. Sure, it mightn't be 75% on its fourpack,
but considering how each of the games here is pretty much independent
from each other (besides some SFF between SMB3/Sonic to bring Sonic
down to SFII's level, probably), this is as good a showing as you could
ask for. |
LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/11/2009 9:09:30 AM | message detail |
Now, Sonic 3 and Knuckles wouldn't beat Mario 3 if it lost to Super Metroid and Super Mario Kart, would it? That being said, let's talk about how everybody looks like right now. Sonic the Hedgehog - The surprise upset in round 1, along with the game making the top 10 in Stuff Magazine's top 100 games list, has led me to respect this game more, as it is undoubtedly one of the greatest games of its time. Anyways, Sonic 1 is struggling against Street Fighter II, but is currently on top. So... Street Fighter II - ...we have a trifecta of Street Fighter failure. Okay, the genre-definer is currently gaining on Sonic, so things might not be over yet, but I seriously doubt much better could happen. Of course, SFII is probably feeling SFF heat from Mario 3, but, still, wasn't SFII taking 2nd because of Sonic 1 being SFFd the consensus? Super Mario Bros. 3 - Okay, some are saying that that Mario 3 is disappointing today, but come on guys, a tripling? I was maybe expecting little more than a doubling, which Mario 3 is doing well enough. Hopefully this perserveres, as Mario 3 is one of the two games from this division which I would consider a worthy winner of the entire contest. The Secret of Monkey Island - Alright, the "hardcore" fanbase has succeeded in making Monkey Island look better than absolute turbofodder (but not much at all). As far as why Monkey Island is doing better on Mario 3 this round than last round, consider that Monkey Island doesn't have to share PC votes with SimCity anymore. Uhm, there, that's all I have to say. BTW am I the only one who thinks that Day of the Tentacle or Grim Fandango should've made this contest? BTW here was Stuff Magazine's top 10 games of all time. 10. Turrican 2 9. Grand Theft Auto III 8. DOOM 7. Sonic the Hedgehog 6. Elite 5. Super Mario World 4. GoldenEye 3. Final Fantasy VII 2. Zelda: Ocarina of Time 1. Half-Life 2 It's funny how Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Metroid, and Resident Evil 4 barely missed the top 50. So yeah, Sonic the Hedgehog > Street Fighter II is Stuff Magazine's favorite for this match I guess, though here is who all the divisional winners should be according to the list. 1972-1988: Tetris > Pac-Man 1989-1991: Super Mario World > Sonic the Hedgehog 1992-1994: DOOM > Zelda: A Link to the Past 1995-1997: Final Fantasy VII > GoldenEye 1998-2000: Zelda: Ocarina of Time > Deus Ex 2001-2003: Grand Theft Auto III > Halo 2004-2006: Half-Life 2 > God of War 2007-2009: Super Mario Galaxy > Call of Duty 4 Though it must be noted that half of the games in the final division weren't released when the list was made. |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/11/2009 9:10:45 AM | message detail |
Meh, I don't see how this is anything but a spectacular performance from SMB3 The only way this is a spectacular performance is if you expected Super Mario World to be stronger. --- http://www.xboxlc.com/cards/blue2/Albion%20Hero.jpg http://img2.gelbooru.com/images/34/14a0c4231b6fe6e9657190b033e368594f4a462c.jpg |
UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/11/2009 9:17:29 AM | message detail |
From: MyWorldIsCrono | Posted: 5/11/2009 11:49:10 AM | #054 Sure, if you ignore SFF. --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´`·.,¸¸,.·´ "You are the king of derailing topics, by the way." -Lucid |
red sox 777 | Posted 5/11/2009 9:23:03 AM | message detail |
Mario
3 is doing fine. We expected it to SFF Sonic hard- it didn't happen.
There was always a good chance it wouldn't- SFF is like that, and
Mario/Sonic is not a particularly strong SFF relationship. --- Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
KanzarisKelshen | Posted 5/11/2009 9:23:38 AM | message detail |
"The only way this is a spectacular performance is if you expected Super Mario World to be stronger." I don't, but c'mon, you're expecting a similar result with two other games in the poll? Be realistic, Albion. SMB3 is pulling something comparable or SUPERIOR to crushing Sonic 2 on 1v1, considering its facing against two midcarders and turbofodder. |
red sox 777 | Posted 5/11/2009 9:27:48 AM | message detail |
I
think SMB looks pretty good for 2nd strongest Mario indirectly though,
pending how SM64 does against CT (it's hard to read it off of SOTN). It
did about 1% worse on Zelda 1 than SMW did on Final Fantasy 1. --- Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
KanzarisKelshen | Posted 5/11/2009 9:33:57 AM | message detail |
I
wouldn't be too surprised if SM64 was comparable to SMB3 or better,
indirectly at least. It's got all the good reasons to be a
frighteningly strong game: important, known, with relatively recent
presence in everyone's minds via a remake, and it's probably the only
game other than SMB1 I'd expect to get respect votes. It's pretty much
where 3D platforming was born, and where true 3D gaming suddenly grew
into something worthwhile. Sox, which Mario game would you call for strongest? I'm thinking SMB3, but I'd like to hear an educated opinion. |
Yesmar | Posted 5/11/2009 10:01:06 AM | message detail |
Monkey
Island does imply that SMB3 and Sonic 1 are leeching each other though.
I mean, based on how close Sonic and Street Fighter are that should be
obvious I guess. --- FastFalcon owned me in the Guru Contest! |
LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/11/2009 10:20:02 AM | message detail |
As
far as Super Mario 64 goes, that game is going to be an ********ing
beast. It managed one of the highest vote totals of round 1 and almost
doubled Symphony of the Night, which is about on par with the stat
predictions if you take into account Kirby Super Star LFF. Also,
looking at the list would imply that Mario 64 and Symphony of the Night
are of about equal strength, but Mario 64 took that list and made it
*******************ed. So far Final Fantasy X, Super Mario 64, Final Fantasy VIII, Final Fantasy IV, Super Mario World, and Super Smash Bros. Brawl are the only games which I'd think have a chance at threatening a member of the Super Six. Final Fantasy VI acted like Magus, GoldenEye did to some extent (I guess it overperformed based on stat expectations, but not on list expectations), and Resident Evil 4 disappointed, and Super Mario Galaxy bombed like hell. And while Mario 1 and Zelda 1 both did well with vote totals in round 1, both of them lost about 35% of their votes in round 2 for some reason. I'll have to do more votal analysis tomorrow. |
MarioSuperstar | Posted 5/11/2009 10:27:50 AM | message detail |
Mario 64 isn't anywhere near Mario 3. I doubt it'd get killed by Ocarina of Time like that. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: SMB3 > SFII - Points: 108 Vote: SMB3 |
KanzarisKelshen | Posted 5/11/2009 10:29:22 AM | message detail |
I
think that's due to them pulling a Link/Cloud on what was basically
Wander + Lucario. Individually, each scored an insane number on their
fourpacks, but put together, some of that HAD to be divided between the
two, simply because it's impossible for two entities to score 60% on a
single poll at the same time. :P |
Meeks54 | Posted 5/11/2009 10:29:29 AM | message detail |
From: LinkMarioSamus | #066 No RBY on their pretty much invalidates that list. Especially when you have FF IV over FF VI. What? --- Gunner is, what is the word... passionate. but i think that MichaelWClark dude is far crazier than anything Gunner has posted. Posted by Mark Milton |
nintendogirl1 | Posted 5/11/2009 10:31:00 AM | message detail |
From: Yesmar Monkey Island does imply that SMB3 and Sonic 1 are leeching each other though. I mean, based on how close Sonic and Street Fighter are that should be obvious I guess. Yeah, this match is about as close as we're going to get to proof of both LFF and SFF. SMB3 is SFFing Sonic as can be seen by the fact that Sonic is doing worse in comparison to SFII and LFF can be seen by the fact that despite this, SMB3 is doing worse compared to Monkey Island. There are other explanations though, to do with what overlap the games in the previous rounds had. --- But it fits. |
Meeks54 | Posted 5/11/2009 10:32:32 AM | message detail |
From: MarioSuperstar | #067 If SMB 3 would be kind enough to make the final (it won't) we would get to see just what happens to overhype central when it meets the Strongest Nintendo Game around. If you can't triple Sonic, you don't want to mess with OoT. Finally, after today's performance from SMB 3, can we finally start saying that Melee is stronger than it? --- Gunner is, what is the word... passionate. but i think that MichaelWClark dude is far crazier than anything Gunner has posted. Posted by Mark Milton |
MarioSuperstar | Posted 5/11/2009 10:33:45 AM | message detail |
It's
performance on a Sonic game doesn't mean it'd lose to Melee. There's no
evidence pointing to Melee being stronger out there. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: SMB3 > SFII - Points: 108 Vote: SMB3 |
red sox 777 | Posted 5/11/2009 10:35:11 AM | message detail |
SMB3
would not get torn apart like that against OOT 1v1. In a 4-way final,
it might just because everyone will be fixated on FFVII vs. OOT, but
that's not really a strike against it. --- Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
KanzarisKelshen | Posted 5/11/2009 10:39:30 AM | message detail |
"If
SMB 3 would be kind enough to make the final (it won't) we would get to
see just what happens to overhype central when it meets the Strongest
Nintendo Game around. If you can't triple Sonic, you don't want to mess
with OoT. Finally, after today's performance from SMB 3, can we finally
start saying that Melee is stronger than it?" Put Melee here and see if it does better. If anything, it does WORSE, because it shouldn't overlap with Sonic, thus giving the hedgehog a better percentage. |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/11/2009 10:44:37 AM | message detail |
This
is bad cheese from Mario 3 if you ask me. I hope it'll be able to SFF
Zelda and crush the original Mario into smithereens, because I've got
it moving on behind FF4 for two straight rounds. If Mario 1 actually
holds its own (thankfully, there's very little reason to assume it
would), then creativename's FF4 > Zelda result might play out. I'm still very confident in Mario 3, mind you, but that's because it has huge SFF advantage in the quarters, not because its first two matches have impressed me at all. --- Yoblazer: http://i38.tinypic.com/2s024p4.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
hellfire104 | Posted 5/11/2009 10:47:13 AM | message detail |
So is it pretty much over for Street Fighter or are we expecting some pullback? --- Point Total/Rank: 96, 344th My Bracket Says: Mega Man 2 > Tetris |
The Mana Sword | Posted 5/11/2009 10:47:25 AM | message detail |
75% in a 4-way didn't impress you? It doesn't matter how crappy the other three games are, there's only so high you can go. --- Kleenex...at work! |
RPGuy96 | Posted 5/11/2009 10:48:18 AM | message detail |
This
very match is evidence against Final Fantasy (or IV) advancing in lieu
of Mario World. Street Fighter II and Final Fantasy got nearly
identical percentages on Sonic 1 and Mario World, respectively, and
Street Fighter II is failing to turn that percentage around into a win.
Now, which fanbase is more likely to abandon their game in the face of
the single biggest platformer on the site - Sonic 1 or friggin' Mario
World? Final Fantasy isn't guaranteed to advance, let alone beat Mario
3. --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/rpguy96 |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/11/2009 10:48:19 AM | message detail |
It's over. This is a terrible result for Street Fighter, but Final Fantasy is laughing it up right now. --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/8zkzm1.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
Chaotic Mind | Posted 5/11/2009 10:49:18 AM | message detail |
From: nintendogirl1 | #070 Eh, i'm more inclined to believe that SMB3 is only doing worse on MI because MI's fanbase is extremely dedicated, so it's total percent of the vote won't go down much no matter what other games show up. SMB3, on the other hand, now has Sonic and SF2 to take up far more votes than SimCity and Tecmo SuperCrap. So we definitely see the evidence of SFF, but not LFF. When there's SFF, the game on the good end of it is actually getting boosted, not leeched. Put an independent game of Sonic's strength where Sonic is and SMB3 would be even lower, not higher. LFF is when 2 games/characters split almost evenly, bringing both down. --- Flash runs alongside Balefire watching marshmallows stop existing. - WarThaNemesis2 |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/11/2009 10:50:41 AM | message detail |
Oh
man, I'll sig bet anyone right now that whichever Final Fantasy
advances tomorrow also advances in the next round. Heck, I'll do you
one better: I'll bet that it wins. --- Yoblazer: http://i42.tinypic.com/avk9ie.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
Chaotic Mind | Posted 5/11/2009 10:54:22 AM | message detail |
Whoa, don't get carried away yoblazer. It definitely advances, but winning is not guaranteed. --- Flash runs alongside Balefire watching marshmallows stop existing. - WarThaNemesis2 |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/11/2009 10:55:25 AM | message detail |
I
don't think it's guaranteed, but no one will take the bet if the terms
were merely advancing. At this point, I don't think people with Mario 3
> Mario World in their brackets are very confident. I have to make
things riskier for me. --- Yoblazer: http://i42.tinypic.com/avk9ie.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
nintendogirl1 | Posted 5/11/2009 11:00:45 AM | message detail |
From: PartOfYourWorld I don't think it's guaranteed, but no one will take the bet if the terms were merely advancing. At this point, I don't think people with Mario 3 > Mario World in their brackets are very confident. I have to make things riskier for me. Hochi has Mega Man 3. See if you can get him to bet you again. --- Should be good fun. |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/11/2009 11:04:23 AM | message detail |
No
one would take that bet, though, and I think it would be very weaksauce
of me to dangle it in front of anyone's face. I'd much rather go for
something riskier and more fun. Like the bet I just laid out! Come on, guys. I'm practically giving it away here! --- Yoblazer: http://i37.tinypic.com/x1d2s9.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
Meeks54 | Posted 5/11/2009 11:26:36 AM | message detail |
From: PartOfYourWorld | #085 I will actually take it. But I will even give you the original bet to make it more fun if you want.. --- Gunner is, what is the word... passionate. but i think that MichaelWClark dude is far crazier than anything Gunner has posted. Posted by Mark Milton |
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/11/2009 11:29:50 AM | message detail |
At
this point, I don't think people with Mario 3 > Mario World in their
brackets are very confident. I have to make things riskier for me. I don't have any reason not to be confident in it until I see Mario World perform. Mario 3's performance is fine. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
charmander6000 | Posted 5/11/2009 11:37:47 AM | message detail |
I don't have any reason not to be confident in it until I see Mario World perform. Mario 3's performance is fine. There's only so much SFF/LFF SMW can suffer before going below FF based on round 1, and if FFIV is there... --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls BGE2 - Today's Match: SMB3 > SFII Points: 101/144 |
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/11/2009 11:39:24 AM | message detail |
There's only so much SFF/LFF SMW can suffer before going below FF based on round 1, and if FFIV is there... There's only so much SFF/LFF Sonic can suffer before going below SFII based on round 1, and if Mario 3 is there... Seriously though, I understand what you're saying, but I half expect Mario World to stand up to Mario 3 well. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/11/2009 11:45:14 AM | message detail |
From: Meeks54 | #086 You'll take Mega Man 3 to advance tomorrow? If that's what you want... Also, sure. I'll bet about the next round match as well (assuming a Final Fantasy game gets there). --- Yoblazer: http://i42.tinypic.com/avk9ie.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
KanzarisKelshen | Posted 5/11/2009 11:47:56 AM | message detail |
IMO,
Mario world WILL take a heavy hit from SFF, but in no way is it going
to get fodderized. I'd put it to perform at Sonic or Street Fighter 2
levels, which is pretty decent. It'll all depend on how much votes SMB3
can gobble up besides SFF. The more it takes, the less the other games
will have to go around, boosting Mario World's chances quite a bit. |
Meeks54 | Posted 5/11/2009 11:50:08 AM | message detail |
From: PartOfYourWorld | #090 No, god no, I am not taking MM3. I meant that I would take them only to not advance next round, not just win. So my bet is your original proposition. SMB 3>SMW. Where as you have FF/IV winning or placing. --- Gunner is, what is the word... passionate. but i think that MichaelWClark dude is far crazier than anything Gunner has posted. Posted by Mark Milton |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/11/2009 11:54:01 AM | message detail |
Mario
3 isn't going to reach 70% on Sonic here. Unless FF really is
threatening to win and Nintendo fans go all Cloud/Seph in a mass exodus
to support their stronger game, you've gotta figure Mario World should
hold up at least in the mid 30s. Personally, I'm hoping Mario World
cracks 40% because I like it a lot more and because that gives FF a
much better chance to win. At this point, I can't see Mario World doing well enough to actually keep FF from advancing (rather, the better it does, the more it impedes its stronger brother from winning). Not with three 2D, early era Nintendo (Nintendo yes all three of them NIN-TEN-DOUGH) platformers there. --- Yoblazer: http://i44.tinypic.com/25z1non.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/11/2009 11:55:34 AM | message detail |
So my bet is your original proposition. SMB 3>SMW. Where as you have FF/IV winning or placing. Sure, that sounds good. Since you're giving me some slack, I'll declare you the winner if somehow neither FF game advance tomorrow. --- Yoblazer: http://i44.tinypic.com/25z1non.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
Meeks54 | Posted 5/11/2009 11:59:57 AM | message detail |
From: PartOfYourWorld | #093 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3mMY-_n3_E&feature=related I think we have a difference of opinion there Yo. And I can't see any conceivable way that MM 3 beats the FF games, but thanks for the deal none the less. --- Gunner is, what is the word... passionate. but i think that MichaelWClark dude is far crazier than anything Gunner has posted. Posted by Mark Milton |
Master Moltar | Posted 5/11/2009 12:16:09 PM | message detail |
Huh,
I didn't think about using Sonic holding up here to help my Mario 3
> Mario World pick. Guess that's one positive from this. --- Moltar Status: complete global saturation Match 35 - Bracket: SMB3 > SF2 - Vote: Sonic (99/144) |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/11/2009 12:17:58 PM | message detail |
Mario isn't doing as well with the early ASV as we thought. Sonic's gotten a bit more benefit from it so far. --- Yoblazer: http://i37.tinypic.com/x1d2s9.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
Masato_Tanaka | Posted 5/11/2009 12:17:58 PM | message detail |
Original Sonic is impressing me here. --- The Straight Up G The Palace of Wisdom Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/11/2009 12:18:40 PM | message detail |
Yeah, Street Fighter II looks done like dinner here. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
charmander6000 | Posted 5/11/2009 12:19:39 PM | message detail |
There's only so much SFF/LFF Sonic can suffer before going below SFII based on round 1, and if Mario 3 is there... Seriously though, I understand what you're saying, but I half expect Mario World to stand up to Mario 3 well. That is a bad example, Sonic 1 is barely holding on while SMB3/SMW will have a lot more overlap. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls BGE2 - Today's Match: SMB3 > SFII Points: 101/144 |
