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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 710

Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 5/10/2009 3:44:36 AM | message detail

From: MyWorldIsCrono | #092
Ulti, every final boss of every fighting game is cheap. Tell me one thats not


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Mr3790 | Posted 5/10/2009 4:00:11 AM | message detail
Great match-up here, isn't it?
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/10/2009 4:27:00 AM | message detail
Uh, where's all the Street Fighter IV talk coming from???

Oh, and who here is thinking, "to hell with my bracket!!!?" I sure am.
Denzokuken | Posted 5/10/2009 4:41:39 AM | message detail
'Oh, and who here is thinking, "to hell with my bracket!!!?" I sure am.'

Me, I've got LoZ > SMB for next round as well. I have Sonic 3 and San Andreas going to the divisional final and Metal Gear Solid getting to the quarters (past FF8 and R/B/Y). The only thing that can save me is my crazy Final Fantasy IV to the semis upset.
From now on I'm just rooting for my favourites...anyone else think Call of Duty 4 might make it through the divisional final?
red sox 777 | Posted 5/10/2009 5:05:02 AM | message detail
Well, Europe is favoring Mario, as expected. The weekend morning vote will get started over the next couple of hours.....but given Mario's strength in the morning, it could take a while for Zelda's day vote to get going. Should improve throughout the rest of the match if SMB3/Zelda trends can be believed though.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/10/2009 5:13:03 AM | message detail
I have Metal Gear Solid getting to the finals and Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas getting to the quarterfinals. I also have The Legend of Zelda > Super Mario Bros. for this division's finals. Call me crazy, but I still think Metal Gear Solid has a chance of getting to the finals.
MarioSuperstar | Posted 5/10/2009 6:47:36 AM | message detail
Mario 1 vs LTTP. Who do you take?
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/10/2009 6:53:04 AM | message detail
LttP... was that suppose to be a trick question?
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redrocket | Posted 5/10/2009 7:16:01 AM | message detail
I guarantee you corporate execs called for the four-ways. On first-hand account.

This really makes you think, if corporate execs are intervening in something like contest formats(really?), what the hell else are they dipping their grubby little paws into? How much power does Bacon really have anymore? He's not just some code monkey figurehead is he? I mean, no matter what you think of him, it would be better for him to have as much authority as possible than some faceless Cnet suits, right? D:

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lightsout06 | Posted 5/10/2009 7:30:58 AM | message detail
what a boring match. why do people enjoy these matches more than the matches from 04-09. They were a lot more interesting than watching 2 games struggle to reach 10%.
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voltch | Posted 5/10/2009 7:34:29 AM | message detail
so this officially the end of 1 vs 1,or is there a hidden conspiracy to make us hate bacon to the point where his replacement becomes super popularby bringing back our beloved format..
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/10/2009 7:58:58 AM | message detail
Okay, I'm going to rate the top 5 games on this site for every Nintendo console. Sony consoles and such will follow later.

NES
1. Super Mario Bros. 3
2. Super Mario Bros.
3. The Legend of Zelda
4. Final Fantasy
5. Metroid
SNES
1. Zelda: A Link to the Past
2. Chrono Trigger
3. Final Fantasy VI
4. Super Mario World
5. Super Metroid
N64
1. Zelda: Ocarina of Time
2. Super Mario 64
3. GoldenEye
4. Zelda: Majora's Mask
5. Mario Kart 64
GCN
1. Super Smash Bros. Melee
2. Resident Evil 4
3. Zelda: Wind Waker
4. Metroid Prime
5. Tales of Symphonia
Wii
1. Super Smash Bros. Brawl
2. Zelda: Twilight Princess
3. Super Mario Galaxy
4. Mario Kart Wii
5. Metroid Prime 3

Eh, some comments would be appreciated.
charmander6000 | Posted 5/10/2009 8:08:58 AM | message detail
Mario Kart 64 > Majora's Mask, or is RBY now giving CT/LttP a run for its money?
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/10/2009 8:28:22 AM | message detail
Majora's Mask managed about 4000 more votes than Mario Kart 64, and it was being held back by two N64 games (though MK64 was being held back by one...).

Who do you think would win between Perfect Dark and Star Fox 64? Banjo-Kazooie and Star Fox 64?
red sox 777 | Posted 5/10/2009 8:30:53 AM | message detail
Star Fox 64, no contest at all. And of course MM got more votes than MK64, MK64 was up against FFVII.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 5/10/2009 8:42:23 AM | message detail
I'd have a hard time between Perfect Dark and Star Fox, but I'm not convinced either wins easily.


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therealmnm | Posted 5/10/2009 8:50:34 AM | message detail
SMB2 or Zelda 2 probably beat Metroid through name alone...
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Yesmar | Posted 5/10/2009 8:51:22 AM | message detail
I guarantee you corporate execs called for the four-ways. On first-hand account.

I think this means that we all know who to e-mail now!
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/10/2009 8:58:01 AM | message detail

From: MyWorldIsCrono | Posted: 5/10/2009 5:42:05 AM | #092
Ulti, every final boss of every fighting game is cheap. Tell me one thats not


Gill, Bison, Akuma, Giga Bowser, Master Hand, Dizzy, Sol Badguy
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Ultimaphazon | Posted 5/10/2009 8:59:32 AM | message detail
SNES
1. Zelda: A Link to the Past
2. Chrono Trigger
3. Final Fantasy VI
4. Super Mario World
5. Super Metroid


FFVI wasn't exactly impressive, so I'd put it behind SMW at the moment.
After SM's massive failure in its match, I don't see it in the Top 5. I'd probably give its spot to FFIV.
So I'm thinking:

1. Zelda: A Link to the Past
2. Chrono Trigger
3. Super Mario World
4. Final Fantasy VI
5. Final Fantasy IV


GCN
1. Super Smash Bros. Melee
2. Resident Evil 4
3. Zelda: Wind Waker
4. Metroid Prime
5. Tales of Symphonia


I'm not sure I agree on MP > ToS. I'd probably put ToS at 4 and Prime at 5.
ToS beat GTA: SA, while Prime couldn't beat GTA: VC.
I still don't understand how VC could possibly be stronger than SA. I mean, I prefer VC, but it's pretty obvious the majority prefers SA.
Also, technically you could add TP here as well.

The other consoles look fine to me.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 5/10/2009 9:05:52 AM | message detail
Hmm, I have SMB3 > FFIV (> LoZ and SMB) in Round IV. Crazy pick, or is it possible? Mostly I have SMB3 winning because I think it`ll be that far ahead of FFIV...but now I'm not sure.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/10/2009 9:10:11 AM | message detail
@Ultimaphazon: Well, you're probably right about the SNES. I was blindsided by THE LIST.

1. Zelda: A Link to the Past
2. Chrono Trigger
3. Super Mario World
4. Final Fantasy IV
5. Final Fantasy VI

Okay, and about the GCN. First of all, we don't know Metroid Prime's true strength; it was (r?)SFFd by Wind Waker in the last contest and held back by Paper Mario this time. And second, Vice City actually had a higher vote total than San Andreas (and Metroid Prime also had a higher vote total than San Andreas and GTAIII I think). So I think that the GCN part is justified.
xp1337 | Posted 5/10/2009 9:22:44 AM | message detail
Well, if we're going to go back into 2k4 for Prime, there's still the Half-Life match. But then, it's not like Half-Life went out and impressed or anything, so that's probably not worth much. Anyway, at this point the 2k4 stats and results are just not looking like a good place at all to turn to anymore, especially anything in Division 128.

And if there's one thing I'd put even less stock into than the Top 100 list (why did we give that any credibility in the first place?), it's vote totals.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/10/2009 9:29:26 AM | message detail
Votals seem like a good indication of strength to me. Unless we see Twilight Princess flop against, say, Call of Duty 4.

Anyways, this is tomorrow's match, in a nutshell.

Prediction: Super Mario Bros. 3 > Sonic the Hedgehog
Bracket: Super Mario Bros. 3 > Street Fighter II
Favorites: Super Mario Bros. 3 > Sonic the Hedgehog
Favorites Bracket: Super Mario Bros. 3 > Sonic the Hedgehog
Younger Brother's Favorites: Street Fighter II > Super Mario Bros. 3

And the match after that, though I will still do a full analysis tomorrow.

Prediction: Super Mario World > Final Fantasy IV
Bracket: Super Mario World > Final Fantasy IV
Favorites: Super Mario World > Final Fantasy IV
Favorites Bracket: Super Mario World > Final Fantasy IV
MarioSuperstar | Posted 5/10/2009 9:33:04 AM | message detail

From: LinkMarioSamus | #124
Votals seem like a good indication of strength to me


Well looks like I haven't been missing out on skipping your posts then.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 5/10/2009 9:37:15 AM | message detail
Since I didn't see Leon do it yet, here's the (terrible, terrible) linear x-stats from the first half of the first division:

50.00% Tetris
44.77% Mega Man 2
34.12% Oregon Trail
28.94% Pac-Man
28.85% Pong
24.99% Punch-Out!!
23.93% Donkey Kong
13.90% Space Invaders

Using Pac-Man and Donkey Kong's first round values on Mega Man 2 and Tetris respectively, so that they don't lose to games they beat in round 1:

50.00% Tetris
44.77% Mega Man 2
39.33% Pac-Man
34.12% Oregon Trail
28.85% Pong
26.98% Donkey Kong
24.99% Punch-Out!!
13.90% Space Invaders

From the looks of it, The Oregon Trail and Pong would have both beaten DK and Punch-Out!!...that would have been a nice upset to see.
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Lopen | Posted 5/10/2009 9:39:20 AM | message detail
Yeah, Ulti, that unblockable Seth move is a throw that just looks like a physical. Nothing terribly cheap about him. Dizzy and Sol are worse depending on the situation (aren't they always in gold-mode or pseudo gold-mode when they're bosses? Or is he talking about GG/GGX?).

Figures though-- when Ulti's dishing out absurd overreactive complaints about a game you pretty much know it's because it kicked his ass.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 5/10/2009 10:43:05 AM | message detail
I get what Ulti is saying, sort of. Compared to HD Remix, SFIV looks like crap, since that game is the closest to a perfect SF we'll ever get short of going the Guilty Gear route (sans Akuma, of course). However, that doesn't mean the game is great. And complaning about Seth is ridiculous, really. If you want bad, take a look at Gill, Rugal, or I-No. Now, THOSE are cheating bosses.
KanzarisKelshen | Posted 5/10/2009 10:44:00 AM | message detail
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Big Bob | Posted 5/10/2009 10:44:09 AM | message detail
Everyone should just play Blazblue when it comes out. Then we'll have a nice, awesome fighting game to play.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/10/2009 10:44:28 AM | message detail
the fighting game genre is known for its cheap final bosses. seth is no different. hell at least hes not as bad as i-no or final boss of doa4
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 5/10/2009 10:48:21 AM | message detail
In fact, fighting game bosses are so cheap, they get their own page describing how much of a cheat they all are:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SNKBoss
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/10/2009 10:56:54 AM | message detail
Oddly, I recently heard somebody with a LoZ-ringtone -- finding a secret on the NES, to be exact.

Me too, my friend has that ringtone for when he gets a text.

And did you just say that Gill isn't cheap, Ulti? Did we play the same SFIII, or did you just get lucky and he never used Resurrection on you?

Seriously, that's one of the cheapest moves ever. "Oh, you beat me. Oh wait, no you didn't, now I'm back to full health!"
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/10/2009 10:58:00 AM | message detail
Actually, the fact that you even mentioned Gill as a boss that's not cheap almost makes me think you're trolling.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/10/2009 11:40:36 AM | message detail
Right now, Mario 1 and Zelda 1 have a combined 62511 votes. Fallout 3's match had 65537 votes at this point.

So yeah, doesn't look like it's going to beat that total by itself.
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PegasusLover123 | Posted 5/10/2009 12:25:38 PM | message detail
Well generally im not into fighting games much, mainly because of how the online community is with those games.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 5/10/2009 12:30:19 PM | message detail
They're not so bad if you know how to deal with them. I'm a regular at Shoryuken, and the guys are very nice if you ask politely. Sure, there's idiots, but those are endemic to all of the internet. It's just a matter of wanting to learn and being capable of ditching preconceptions.
RockMFR 5 | Posted 5/10/2009 12:33:18 PM | message detail
I didn't state anything publicly that I don't personally believe in. 1 vs 1 is dull and always has been. Generations make for more interesting matchups (SMB has no chance against most modern games for example, but it can do pretty well in the current bracket).

Where is this quote from?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/10/2009 12:37:15 PM | message detail

From: RockMFR 5 | #138
I didn't state anything publicly that I don't personally believe in. 1 vs 1 is dull and always has been. Generations make for more interesting matchups (SMB has no chance against most modern games for example, but it can do pretty well in the current bracket).

Where is this quote from?


A feedback ticket from Bacon.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/10/2009 1:43:16 PM | message detail
Looks like we're going to clear 100,000 votes pretty easily here, but not by a whole lot.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/10/2009 1:46:29 PM | message detail
Not surprising, considering it's an SFF/LFF match.

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SonicRaptor | Posted 5/10/2009 1:55:10 PM | message detail
Well generally im not into fighting games much, mainly because of how the online community is with those games.

I think it's gone downhill ever since that stupid Daigo video became popular; "pro" and "tournament" players ruin everything.
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CP724 | Posted 5/10/2009 4:45:00 PM | message detail
So who else has got SMB1 > Tetris next round.
creativename | Posted 5/10/2009 5:27:13 PM | message detail
It's just like everyone else said - SFIV pretty is SF2 with updated graphics.

And Seth is cheap as CPU. For humans though he absolutely sucks. Overall the game is extremely balanced but Seth is pretty damn bad, he takes way too much damage.

To beat CPU Seth you have to attack at mid-range - stay too far away and he uses Sonic Booms, get too close and he slams you. Attacking from mid-range with leg sweeps works well.

And really, it's assuredly just like red sox said with the cnet thing - if SB had really wanted 1v1s, we'd have them.
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creativename | Posted 5/10/2009 5:29:07 PM | message detail
I'm a regular at Shoryuken, and the guys are very nice if you ask politely

I've never really posted there but I've read some, and the veteran member douche ratio there seem higher than normal for a moderated community.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/10/2009 5:36:24 PM | message detail
Looks like Zelda did improve throughout the day and isn't too far off from going even with SMB now with the second night vote. Not as much of a shift was I was wishing for, but the graph does look very similar to SMB3/Zelda 5 years ago.

After this, would you take SMB over SMW or SM64? How about indirectly?
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 5/10/2009 5:36:29 PM | message detail
Nah, it's pretty normal. If you want a community of douche vets, try an MMORPG. FFXI is the perfect example of everything a community can do wrong.
KanzarisKelshen | Posted 5/10/2009 5:40:38 PM | message detail
"After this, would you take SMB over SMW or SM64? How about indirectly? "

I'd take SMB over SMW, both indirectly and directly, and by a decent margin, but I'd say SM64 is revolutionary enough and strong enough to resist SFF and win through its raw strength.
SonicRaptor | Posted 5/10/2009 5:49:38 PM | message detail
It's just like everyone else said - SFIV pretty is SF2 with updated graphics.

And Seth is cheap as CPU. For humans though he absolutely sucks. Overall the game is extremely balanced but Seth is pretty damn bad, he takes way too much damage.

To beat CPU Seth you have to attack at mid-range - stay too far away and he uses Sonic Booms, get too close and he slams you. Attacking from mid-range with leg sweeps works well.

And really, it's assuredly just like red sox said with the cnet thing - if SB had really wanted 1v1s, we'd have them.


The big problem with Seth is he is different from any other SF boss (or any fighting game boss, for that matter). Usually with the final fighting game boss you cannot run in fists-a-flying because you will get your ass handed to. You need to take it slow, dodge the attacks and know when to strike.

With Seth, you NEED to run in fists-a-flying putting Seth on the defensive. If you give him any breathing room he'll nail some super-powerful specials and take you down in no time. With Ryu, I had to spam flying fierce kicks and sweeps to take him down: that's all I used.

I think Capcom did that on purpose to throw off the SF game vets.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/10/2009 6:02:43 PM | message detail
At least we cleared 100,000 with a few hours to spare.
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