GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 710
UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/9/2009 9:19:04 PM | message detail |
Master using it and you can have this. ~*creativename's contest site (all things contest!)*~ www.gamefaqscontests.com ~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~ http://board8.wikia.com/ ~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~ http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/ http://thengamer.com/xstats http://thengamer.com/stats ~*Character Contest Histories (Thanks to Raven 2 for the info transfer)*~ http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Contest_Histories ~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~ A = Strongest Character B = Character Weaker than A C = Character Weaker than B To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA ~*All the match pics*~ http://sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php ~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~ http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages ~*Say What? Some Common Stat Topic Lingo Defined*~ SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote, because the Zelda fanbase so clearly sided with him. However, take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make total sense. This has caused a few SFF jokes, with LordOfDabu's "Some Frivolous Factor" being the funniest of them. X-Stats - Short form of Extrapolated Statistics, aka the mathematical "strength" of a contestant that can be determined based on their performance in any given matchup. See above for a detailed explanation of the x-stat process. LFF (Leech Fanbase Factor) - A common issue in four-way polls, where two entrants of the same fanbase leech one another's strength and make each other weaker. This is the main factor currently discussed in stat topics, since four-ways look like they're here to stay. The earliest example we have of this is Arthas/Diablo leeching each other half to death and letting KOS-MOS sneak into second place back in 2007. SFF still happens now and again, but LFF is just as huge these days. Last Place Factor - A huge issue in four-way contests where an entrant having no expected chance to advance in the poll does far worse than past strength dictates. A lot of these entrants are naturally weak, but a lot of things come along that make little to no sense. A great example is Zero -- he scored 47% on Crono and won several updates, then one round later he gets disproportionally blown out once Link enters the picture. This factor also works in reverse, when an obvious first place game does worse than expected thanks to smart voters helping a game come in second place. The final of 2008 is a good example of this, where Snake stayed even with Link until the day vote and ultimately defeated Cloud. (Credit to red sox 777 and Leonhart4 for the examples) For other information, surf the contest sites a bit. They have everything. Hochi's League of Excellence™ Hochiminh Nintendogirl Karma Hunter Kleenex Leonhart Ultimaterializer ZFS Lopen Yoblazer Harrich --- `·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´`·.,¸¸,.·´ "You are the king of derailing topics, by the way." -Lucid |
KamikazePotato | Posted 5/9/2009 9:19:34 PM | message detail |
What was with that axe anyway. Why did stomping on it make a bridge collapse. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
LinkLegend27 | Posted 5/9/2009 9:44:27 PM | message detail |
Maaaaaah rio --- Fortes in Unitate. I ain't conceited only positive and way better |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/9/2009 10:21:20 PM | message detail |
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/gamefaqs.com If I, a regular gamefaqs user, can find out right now that the traffic is down... ...You don't think the big wigs who actually get revenue out of the site can? --- http://www.xboxlc.com/cards/blue2/Albion%20Hero.jpg http://blog.codefront.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/lucky_star_i_am_a_tank_thumb.jpg |
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/9/2009 10:21:29 PM | message detail |
And I mean it! --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/9/2009 10:21:54 PM | message detail |
From: MyWorldIsCrono | #494 Disagree 100%. If they had their eye on things constantly, we'd get two contests a year, right on schedule. Or we'd get them scrapped. Bacon goes at his own pace and calls the shots. --- Yoblazer: http://i38.tinypic.com/2s024p4.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
red sox 777 | Posted 5/9/2009 10:22:02 PM | message detail |
Only a gain of 15 for Mario there! How long until the first cut? --- Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/9/2009 10:22:52 PM | message detail |
Seriously,
people, if we all went and played FFX right now, we'd all feel a lot
better. Go watch the laughing scene or something! *leaves* --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/9/2009 10:23:27 PM | message detail |
I've been thinking about replaying it. --- Yoblazer: http://i42.tinypic.com/avk9ie.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
KamikazePotato | Posted 5/9/2009 10:25:08 PM | message detail |
GameFAQs traffick is going down because...well, when's the last time we saw a big game release? --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
creativename | Posted 5/9/2009 10:27:05 PM | message detail |
Traffic
is mostly seasonal and the contests won't affect things too much, just
a bit. Things like the L-Block finals boost are among the rare
occasions the contests will help. Suteki Da Ne rules. --- gamefaqscontests.com gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/9/2009 10:30:23 PM | message detail |
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/traffic.jpg Its not just seasonal, its down big time over the last year. It makes me think C-net and Bacon are gonna try new things soon to try to spice things up --- http://www.xboxlc.com/cards/blue2/Albion%20Hero.jpg http://blog.codefront.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/lucky_star_i_am_a_tank_thumb.jpg |
WarThaHedgehog | Posted 5/9/2009 10:34:36 PM | message detail |
You
know, I was playing Civ 4 at 11:55 PM, and decided to keep playing
rather than vote early/check early results, figuring this match would
provide disappointment. I love you GameFAQS. --- http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/3230/takerface.gif |
red sox 777 | Posted 5/9/2009 11:04:45 PM | message detail |
SMB by the hour: 1:00 | 55.94% 2:00 | 54.91% Projection Time! 2 hours in, Super Mario Bros. has 55.51% on the Legend of Zelda. At this time, Crono had 55.89% on Vincent in 2007 and ended at 48.58%. Projection: The Legend of Zelda wins with 51.77% At this time, Super Mario Bros. 3 had 60.07% on The Legend of Zelda, and ended at 56.78%. Projection: Super Mario Bros. wins with 52.22% Remember that the SMB3/Zelda match started at 3 AM- not sure which game that helps out here. Obviously, trends could have changed a lot in the past 5 years, even if we had the same start time. --- Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/9/2009 11:09:43 PM | message detail |
We'll
have to see where this ends up, but right now, it looks like Mario 1 is
just a smidgen beneath Mario 3 indirectly. This should have been a bit
more obvious after Mario 1 put up 70% on competition far stronger than
3's (Duck Hunt and Ninja Gaiden would have crushed Monkey Island and
SimCity; let's not even argue that one), but I guess I had the blinders
on and went with my bracket. Luckily, I only gave Zelda a 2% win, but
it was still blindness on my part. --- Yoblazer: http://i42.tinypic.com/avk9ie.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
red sox 777 | Posted 5/9/2009 11:12:26 PM | message detail |
I
still have difficulty comprehending the idea of SMB being this close to
SMB3, unless those projections turn out to be more right than I can
reasonably expect. SMB > SMW? SMB > SM64? All of my "common
sense" said that it should be weaker than those 2 games. --- Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
transience | Posted 5/9/2009 11:13:22 PM | message detail |
as the contest progressed, I said to myself "why was I stupid enough to pick Zelda over Mario? that doesn't make sense." at least I righted it in my Oracle, I guess. --- xyzzy "Actually, fire didn't make Sephiroth awesome. Sephiroth made fire awesome." -Karma Hunter |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/9/2009 11:15:34 PM | message detail |
I
still have difficulty comprehending the idea of SMB being this close to
SMB3, unless those projections turn out to be more right than I can
reasonably expect. SMB > SMW? SMB > SM64? All of my "common
sense" said that it should be weaker than those 2 games. Well, SMB might just be the most unique entrant we've ever had (and for clearly obvious reasons). I still doubt it takes World or 64, but I'm not going to proclaim that it can't be indirectly stronger with any confidence. --- Yoblazer: http://i38.tinypic.com/2s024p4.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/9/2009 11:19:07 PM | message detail |
SMB
should be the second strongest indirectly. Its by far the most well
known among non gamers, at least. Everyone knows that song and that
first level. --- http://www.xboxlc.com/cards/blue2/Albion%20Hero.jpg http://blog.codefront.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/lucky_star_i_am_a_tank_thumb.jpg |
MoogleKupo141 | Posted 5/9/2009 11:19:52 PM | message detail |
Its by far the most well known among non gamers, at least which should be just about meaningless on GameFAQs --- For your health. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/Cyclo/pokewhat.jpg This is my Chocomander, FastFalcon05 |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/9/2009 11:20:39 PM | message detail |
From: MoogleKupo141 | #020 I know, but the fact that its so well known shouldn't be a drawback. --- http://www.xboxlc.com/cards/blue2/Albion%20Hero.jpg http://blog.codefront.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/lucky_star_i_am_a_tank_thumb.jpg |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/9/2009 11:20:57 PM | message detail |
Heh, posts like that remind me that there are people always lurking this topic. They are watching... I better watch the typos. --- Yoblazer: http://i38.tinypic.com/2s024p4.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
red sox 777 | Posted 5/9/2009 11:22:30 PM | message detail |
My
contest-related common sense is going to take days to recover after
this. Unless Zelda gets to 47%, this is honestly the most shocking
result of the contest so far for me. --- Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/9/2009 11:23:04 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #023 I really don't see how it is after how SMB did round 1 >_> -hugs his Mario > Zelda pick on his bracket- --- http://www.xboxlc.com/cards/blue2/Albion%20Hero.jpg http://blog.codefront.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/lucky_star_i_am_a_tank_thumb.jpg |
red sox 777 | Posted 5/9/2009 11:24:45 PM | message detail |
Well, part of it because we didn't have any genuinely shocking
matches happen in the first round. Closest thing was probably Tales of
Symphonia, but 4 games that previously had not appeared in a contest +
4-way = not that shocking. --- Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/9/2009 11:26:42 PM | message detail |
My
contest-related common sense is going to take days to recover after
this. Unless Zelda gets to 47%, this is honestly the most shocking
result of the contest so far for me. This one is? ...are you sure? You didn't think Mario could have been two notches stronger than many of us (not an overwhelmingly huge majority, either) were expecting, given its history? This is obviously surprising compared to our pre-contest expectations, but it doesn't top Pokemon being some ten notches stronger, or FFT being so much weaker. --- Yoblazer: http://i42.tinypic.com/avk9ie.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
red sox 777 | Posted 5/9/2009 11:26:52 PM | message detail |
Not saying that this result should necessarily be shocking, by the way. I was just very very wrong. --- Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
MoogleKupo141 | Posted 5/9/2009 11:27:38 PM | message detail |
My
contest-related common sense is going to take days to recover after
this. Unless Zelda gets to 47%, this is honestly the most shocking
result of the contest so far for me. I think you're just having too much faith in the applicability of results from five years ago in a different poll format ;>_> and in a super S/LFF filled match --- For your health. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/Cyclo/pokewhat.jpg This is my Chocomander, FastFalcon05 |
hochiminhX | Posted 5/9/2009 11:28:48 PM | message detail |
Traffic on GameFAQs is down because gaming i dying. That is to say that gaming isn't as popular as it once was. --- I will bury you. |
WarThaHedgehog | Posted 5/9/2009 11:29:23 PM | message detail |
Thank you for keeping Madden's spirit alive, hochi. --- http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/3230/takerface.gif |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/9/2009 11:29:46 PM | message detail |
Master looks after us now. --- Yoblazer: http://i42.tinypic.com/avk9ie.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
ZFS | Posted 5/9/2009 11:30:23 PM | message detail |
I
think it's easy to look past the fact that, on top of everything else
SMB1 has going for it, it's also a very good game, even by today's
standards. I'm not quite sure I'd put this right under Mario 3 just
yet, but it's probably hanging around there. Good show. --- a metal slime appears |
MoogleKupo141 | Posted 5/9/2009 11:31:30 PM | message detail |
Traffic on GameFAQs is down because gaming i dying. That is to say that gaming isn't as popular as it once was. I appreciate the second sentence because the first sentence is confusing without it. --- For your health. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/Cyclo/pokewhat.jpg This is my Chocomander, FastFalcon05 |
red sox 777 | Posted 5/9/2009 11:31:50 PM | message detail |
My
faith in Zelda had much more to do with Zelda > Mario than with the
2004 contest. Seeing Zelda put up 43% on SMB3 helped a lot of course,
but I wouldn't be too surprised if the 2004 stats were wildly
inaccurate. Mario beating Zelda on other hand...... As for RBY, I knew it had a huge range before the match, and I even said that it could be as strong as FFVI. I thought it probably wouldn't be, and therefore didn't predict it anywhere near what it got (still high enough to get the #3 pick in the Oracle that day though), but it was a possibility I could see happening. --- Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
red sox 777 | Posted 5/9/2009 11:33:13 PM | message detail |
And there we are. Zelda gets its first cut of the day. Now let's see many more of those! --- Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
Big Bob | Posted 5/9/2009 11:37:18 PM | message detail |
Yeah,
I think the lack of big-name releases lately is going to hurt the site.
There are certainly games I'm interested, but I can't think of any huge
releases until FFXIII, which is several months away. --- Curses! Sig foiled by 7 votes. The Force grows ever stronger in creativename |
Master Moltar | Posted 5/9/2009 11:38:02 PM | message detail |
I
didn't state anything publicly that I don't personally believe in. 1 vs
1 is dull and always has been. Generations make for more interesting
matchups (SMB has no chance against most modern games for example, but
it can do pretty well in the current bracket). http://i39.tinypic.com/2luc4rm.gif Did he really... i mean seriously what the hell how can someone be so wrong --- Moltar Status: complete global saturation Match 34 - Bracket: Zelda > SMB - Vote: Zelda (95/136) |
transience | Posted 5/9/2009 11:38:18 PM | message detail |
you've
been on the Zelda 1 as a top 10-ish game for a long time so I guess
this result is a bit shaking for you.. but this seems pretty damn
understandable to me. --- yzzyx |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/9/2009 11:41:06 PM | message detail |
Some SMB supporter needs to post Tiger pronto. --- Yoblazer: http://i37.tinypic.com/x1d2s9.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 5/9/2009 11:41:40 PM | message detail |
Zelda
1 as a top ten game? What? Anyone still considering that after TP and
WW struggled as much as they did were being pretty damn silly. --- http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j69/War13104/CenaJFrog.gif hey look i'm war and i'm stupid - WVI |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/9/2009 11:42:54 PM | message detail |
I
didn't state anything publicly that I don't personally believe in. 1 vs
1 is dull and always has been. Generations make for more interesting
matchups (SMB has no chance against most modern games for example, but
it can do pretty well in the current bracket). And yeah, seriously... I don't even think I read this, because I might have flipped out or something. Generational gaps make for more interesting match-ups? Tetris/Donkey Kong/Punch-Out is more interesting than Tetris/Halo/Final Fantasy Tactics... how, exactly? --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/8zkzm1.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
transience | Posted 5/9/2009 11:42:57 PM | message detail |
http://i38.tinypic.com/68wxeh.jpg --- xyzzy "Actually, fire didn't make Sephiroth awesome. Sephiroth made fire awesome." -Karma Hunter |
WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 5/9/2009 11:43:41 PM | message detail |
http://i38.tinypic.com/68wxeh.jpg Awesome. --- http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j69/War13104/CenaJFrog.gif hey look i'm war and i'm stupid - WVI |
RPGuy96 | Posted 5/9/2009 11:44:53 PM | message detail |
Yeah, my first reaction was Zelda 1 > Mario 1...but then I thought about it and came to the conclusion that it's friggin' Mario 1.
Zelda 1's strong in it's own right, but without that 43% on Mario 3
five years ago I guarantee Mario 1 is the big favourite over Zelda 1. I really, really want to see it not against Mario 3 (and possibly Mario World), it could've done huge damage in a mixed division bracket. Since its first round fourpack was so weak I was hesitant to give it a too much credit, but I think it's earned its spot in top 15 or whatever discussions now. --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/rpguy96 |
transience | Posted 5/9/2009 11:45:33 PM | message detail |
even
with this result, I like Zelda moving on in round 4. heck, we could get
some FF4 > Zelda or something if Mario 1 is strong enough. --- xyzzy |
WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 5/9/2009 11:46:38 PM | message detail |
FF4 > Zelda would only net me quarter-points. But would lead to epic FFVII > FFIV (> LttP > LoZ) the next round, so I could....sorta live with it. --- http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j69/War13104/CenaJFrog.gif hey look i'm war and i'm stupid - WVI |
LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/9/2009 11:47:07 PM | message detail |
I
thought of possibilities that Mario 1 would beat Zelda 1, but I sided
with my bracket. Now we know who's going to win the division (and
rightfully so!). So with that, my "crazy upset territory" has just gotten larger and I'm more confident about such things. So here are the rest of my current round 2 predictions, though I will still do full writeups daily. Super Mario Bros. 3 > Sonic the Hedgehog Super Mario World > Final Fantasy IV Zelda: A Link to the Past > Super Mario Kart Final Fantasy VI > Zelda: Link's Awakening Final Fantasy VII > GoldenEye Chrono Trigger > Super Mario 64 Metal Gear Solid > Pokemon Red/Blue Zelda: Ocarina of Time > Final Fantasy VIII Final Fantasy X > Kingdom Hearts Super Smash Bros. Melee > Diablo II Metal Gear Solid 3 > Tales of Symphonia Zelda: Twilight Princess > Kingdom Hearts 2 Super Smash Bros. Brawl > Call of Duty 4 Metal Gear Solid 4 > Fallout 3 Round 3 and onwards Super Mario Bros. > The Legend of Zelda Final Fantasy IV > Super Mario Bros. 3 Final Fantasy VI > Zelda: A Link to the Past Final Fantasy VII > Chrono Trigger Zelda: Ocarina of Time > Metal Gear Solid Super Smash Bros. Melee > Final Fantasy X Zelda: Twilight Princess > Kingdom Hearts 2 Super Smash Bros. Brawl > Metal Gear Solid 4 Final Fantasy IV > Super Mario Bros. 3 Zelda: A Link to the Past > Final Fantasy VII Zelda: Ocarina of Time > Final Fantasy X Super Smash Bros. Brawl > Metal Gear Solid 4 Final Fantasy VII > Zelda: A Link to the Past Zelda: Ocarina of Time > Final Fantasy X Final Fantasy VII > Zelda: Ocarina of Time CRAZY UPSET TERRITORY HERE WE COME!!! |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/9/2009 11:48:48 PM | message detail |
Yeah,
I'm not feeling bad about having FF4 go super far. I still think we're
in for a ton of SFF-crap in these later rounds, so at the moment, FF1
worries me more than the big Marios and Zelda 1. --- Yoblazer: http://i43.tinypic.com/8zkzm1.gif Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
hochiminhX | Posted 5/9/2009 11:51:22 PM | message detail |
I
have SMW > MM3. FF and FF4 will probably split pretty bad. FF4
impressed me and could even be considered the favorite but FF4 could
very well lose in 2 days. --- I will bury you. |
Yesmar | Posted 5/9/2009 11:57:54 PM | message detail |
Bacon's
idiocy from the other topic boggles my mind. It makes me want to not
even vote, just to drive votals down even further, even if only by 1. --- FastFalcon owned me in the Guru Contest! |