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1 vs 1 is dull and always has been. Generations make for more interesting matchups (SMB has no chance against most modern games for example, but it can do pretty well in the current bracket).

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Tetris 53.14% / 15.55%
Mega Man 2 24.48% / 12.80%

That's impressive for Tetris. Last round, 54.93% picked it for first and it barely dropped this round.
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Also, Bacon has absolutely no proof Mario 1 couldn't hold up against modern games. Pure speculation, and I'd wager he's wrong.
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Yes, but do we know how strong MGS is or how much stronger RBY is than GS?

Not precisely, but 62% on FFT (for MGS) is nothing to sneeze at. I'd say that compares favourably to, say, 62% on Mega Man X.
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...Man, FFVI performed like crap.
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I didn't state anything publicly that I don't personally believe in. 1 vs 1 is dull and always has been. Generations make for more interesting matchups (SMB has no chance against most modern games for example, but it can do pretty well in the current bracket).

Wow. So he is not only completely out of touch with what the masses want, but he has absolutely no clue what games are actually strong.

I knew he didn't know much about this stuff, but this is quite surprising. SMB? Seriously? The only worse example he could've picked is SMB3.
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SMB1 I'd bet could hold up in a round 1 match against newer games, but throw some big new games against it in round 2, it loses alot of its apathy votes.
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Also, Bacon has absolutely no proof Mario 1 couldn't hold up against modern games. Pure speculation, and I'd wager he's wrong.

Um...duh? :) Brawl is maybe the only 07-09 game I'd consider taking over SMB. It smashes everything else 1v1.
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People need to stop these "Mario 1 apathy votes" stuff! Don't make me pull a HaRRicH and bring up the List! You don't get top 20 above MARIO WORLD on apathy votes!

And the closest thing we've ever seen of an old school game against a new school game is FFVII/CT, and those games are only two years apart!

(CT held up just fine, by the way)
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He'll probably be surprised when whatever comes out of the bottom 2 divisions gets smashed by OOT and whatever comes with it.
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He'll probably be surprised when whatever comes out of the bottom 2 divisions gets smashed by OOT and whatever comes with it.

I don't think he meant those kind of older games. I think he meants like old NES games and such.
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It is NOT in the top 10 until we have data to the contrary. Do I make myself clear?

Not that I'm disagreeing with you, but 81% on Perfect Dark is data to the contrary. I think Pokemon will be exposed eventually, but it earned "Temporary Top 15ish" with that performance. We even saw a much weaker Pokemon game blast FFT and do respectably against MGS (another game with Top 10 potential), and an buried-under-the-mud weaker Pokemon game do pretty respectably against SMG. The series hasn't had a bad performance yet. The more I think about it, the crappier its bracket placement seems.
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Yeah, he's definitely referring to stuff from the 16-bit era and earlier.
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In that case, he'll be surprised when whatever comes out of the NES divisions holds up way better than the modern game winners. Or, more likely, he won't notice, as he apparently hasn't noticed over the past 7 years.
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And since he states that 1-on-1 has always been dull, name all of the exciting matches we've had so far.

Super Mario Kart/Super Metroid

...Anyone have anything else to add?
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I hope we can have another game contest pretty soon with no generations, just so we can see how well they hold up. I think its most likely they hold up pretty well, but it would be interesting, since I think strengths can be thrown around a bit when you have new games facing old games.
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Tales of Symphonia!

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Or, more likely, he won't notice, as he apparently hasn't noticed over the past 7 years.

Yeah...I don't get how he could know so little after just being around for everything for so long. You'd have to actively not pay attention for that to happen. And in that case I'd hope you'd realize you're not the person to be making guesses about this stuff.
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If he thinks 1v1 is dull, he might as well say contests are dull in general. Either that, or he was only paying attention during SC2K4, the Villains Contest, and the Series Contest.
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I think there are plenty of old games that will hold up like crap when you put them against new games, but those games don't need to be in a Games Contest anyway.
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1v1 can be just as dull since most matches end up no where close to eachother, too.
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1 vs 1 is dull and always has been.

I... How... What?

Summer 2003 and Spring 2004 are the best contests I've seen by far. And while I wasn't here for it, Summer 2002 is generally talked about in that same tier.

There are very few 4-way matches I care about looking back, but tons of 1v1 matches that were awesome even now.

As for the old games, yes, the fodder level games in it would be destroyed, but they'd get destroyed no matter what. It's simply a matter that there are very, very few games pre-SNES that have any legitimate strength. They still get destroyed even with generations, but I'm not buying that SMB, LoZ, and SMB3 all of sudden just start collapsing because they might have to face something new. It's not that old games can't stand up against new ones, it's that around 90% of the old games can't stand up against anything. The ones that can are fine, there's just not very many of them.
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1v1 can be just as dull since most matches end up no where close to eachother, too.

So we admit no difference!

We're making progress!
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I hope votals tank the rest of the contest. It might at least persuade him to consider other options (or end the contests, but hey, at least that'd give me the best excuse yet to leave).
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And yeah, name 4-way matches we'll still care about next year.

Heck, name 4-way battles from the last two Character Battles we still care about.

Crono/Vincent, both years. That's about it.
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I think 4way has the potential to be more exciting, but thats all due to bracket making. Bacon has failed with that this year due to the generation crap, and bad placement in general of games.
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In a way, he's right about old games though- the average NES game would fold to the average modern game. The spread in game strength is much much greater with old games, so the strong games are stronger, though. But it's not like we need tons of NES fodder in the bracket anyway, and they wouldn't be here if it weren't for a generational bracket and 4-ways.
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Overall, it just sounds like we need a group of saviors.

HEY WAIT A MINUTE
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The excitement of a bracket ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS depends on bracket placement. There's a reason why SC2K4 and SC2K6 are generally agreed to have sucked.
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Heck, name 4-way battles from the last two Character Battles we still care about.

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it's that around 90% of the old games can't stand up against anything.

Indeed. The only thing generations accomplishes is to get weak as crap games like Prince of Persia into the bracket (still not sure how that game made it), or irrelevant walking-with-dinosaurs stuff like Galaga. Who cares about "being fair" to Prince of Persia??

These are games that hurt what he seems to judge these contests by - vote totals.

(which are far more a function of site traffic - and poll placement [e.g. no ads above it] - than anything else)
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In a way, he's right about old games though- the average NES game would fold to the average modern game. The spread in game strength is much much greater with old games, so the strong games are stronger, though. But it's not like we need tons of NES fodder in the bracket anyway, and they wouldn't be here if it weren't for a generational bracket and 4-ways.

Exactly. Games like Contra would fold against any Halo or something like that, but Contra doesn't need to be in a balanced bracket anyway.

Old games we need:

Mario 1
Zelda 1
Tetris
Mario 3
Final Fantasy I

And those are the only games before the SNES era that you need in a bracket. You can even throw in Pac-Man if you want to pay the old thing some respect.
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Okay, I'm not going to post vote totals right now since we've only held one match. But, we need a "games" version of the Noble Nine, or at least part of me thinks that. So, here are the Super Six (as I coined it), that everybody talks about, in order of when the games were released.

Super Mario Bros. 3
Zelda: A Link to the Past
Chrono Trigger
Final Fantasy VII
Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Super Smash Bros. Melee

Now, those were the top six games on the list. Out of these, SSBM was not in the top 6 in the x-stats of the last contest, but we now know very well that Final Fantasy VI was overrated in that match (so how did it still make top 10 on the list again?). So we have the final four and the two games that placed above the strongest final four members in the x-stats. Now, here are some games that could possibly beat any member of the super six based on vote totals.

Tetris
Super Mario Bros.
The Legend of Zelda
Pokemon Red/Blue

So, uhm, what are your opinions?

Bold Prediction

If these votals continue to suck like they have the last week, I predict that our next contest will be 1v1. Even if Bacon doesn't like it, the higher ups will force him to for more hits.
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Old games we need:

Mario 1
Zelda 1
Tetris
Mario 3
Final Fantasy I

And those are the only games before the SNES era that you need in a bracket. You can even throw in Pac-Man if you want to pay the old thing some respect.

no Mega Man 2?
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True, most of the L-Block matches we will care about.

I admit that 2007 was a great contest, but the fact that it was such a great contest was a mix between a curse and a blessing.
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Overall, it just sounds like we need a group of saviors.

HEY WAIT A MINUTE

No no please no.

I'd really like to see an appeared-in-game contest, but 1v1 only. A 4-way contest like that would be the worst.

And I hope you don't suggest this to Bacon because I have no faith in him rejecting it. Hell he might go "4-way vote totals lower...8-way here we come!"
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it's that around 90% of the old games can't stand up against anything.

Indeed. The only thing generations accomplishes is to get weak as crap games like Prince of Persia into the bracket (still not sure how that game made it), or irrelevant walking-with-dinosaurs stuff like Galaga. Who cares about "being fair" to Prince of Persia??

These are games that hurt what he seems to judge these contests by - vote totals.

(which are far more a function of site traffic - and poll placement [e.g. no ads above it] - than anything else)

I object to this on account of the fact that I nominated Prince of Persia, and somewhere in my house, still have it on a floppy disc. In fact, it's possible I was the ONLY person, who nominated it. So I will (Albion style) take all the blame.
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Aww yeah.

Actually, thinking about it, I think pretty much every 4-way match I can say I look back on and still think were awesome involve a CT character somewhere.

Granted, Crono wasn't really a significant part of Crono/Pikachu/L-Block/Alucard, but he was there.

And both Crono/Vincent matches were awesome. Those last updates in Crono/Vincent II are still hilarious, and probably the best part of that contest for me.
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Aslo technically Sonic 1 is pre SNES, and that deserves it.
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Pac-Man would wrap things up nicely there. I think it would be more capable of an upset against a modern game than MM2 would, as well.
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In a 64 game bracket, space is much more limited. We've seen enough of Megaman 2 to know it's weak. It's interesting how Bacon both tries to give what the "majority" wants and tries to satisfy every obscure game's fanbase by getting it into the bracket. The fact is, with 64 well-chosen games, probably 95% of the site would have their favorite game in the bracket. The majority wouldn't have to waste its time following boring matches between obscure fodder very few people care about.
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Yeah, Frog/Axel and Magus/Sandbag are other notable matches.
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8-ways?

Why stop there?

128 contestants. One match.

Monkey Island wins due to having the most hardcore fanbase !!

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Or how about any of Snake's matches last year? Or Sonic?

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It's interesting how Bacon both tries to give what the "majority" wants and tries to satisfy every obscure game's fanbase by getting it into the bracket.

Yes, his logic (or vague attempt at logic) is completely contradictory.

It's like he lives in opposite-world.
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Monkey Island wins due to having the most hardcore fanbase !!

FFVII still gets 24% of the vote.
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Mega Man 2 is stronger then a good deal of fodder even a 64 bracket woudl have. Unless you think games like Monkey Island and Tales of Symphonia still won't get in even with their niche fanbases nominating rallying them
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