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Yeah, that's a lost argument. FFIX brings in its own fanbase whereas RBY and GSC are far more interchangeable, and we all have a confident feeling which way the fanbase will migrate there. Majora's Mask would be an absolute shocker. Starcraft is still a stupidly real possibility (so stupid).
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What Leon said. I want FF8 in the finals, but I'll admit that, if Squall is any indication (and he probably is, they seem to be at the same power level), FF8 will completely fail at utilizing SFF. We'll probably see FFIX's true strength in that match.

Again the overlap between RBY/GS is huge compare to VIII/IX

I really doubt it's an enormous difference. I'd imagine most of the voters who've played one have played the other. I know it's not going to be 100%, but neither is the correlation between RBY and GS. Heck, a lot of people just played RBY and that was it (like me), which puts RBY in an even more advantageous position.

And FFIX doing better is the whole point because it will barring something very unusual.
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Well the chance for MM or Starcraft to advance is pretty much 0 anyways.
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From: KanzarisKelshen | #052
What Leon said. I want FF8 in the finals, but I'll admit that, if Squall is any indication (and he probably is, they seem to be at the same power level), FF8 will completely fail at utilizing SFF. We'll probably see FFIX's true strength in that match.

Gorf? Squall lambasted Tidus and would do even worse to Zidane. Not the poor guy's fault he's gotten Cloud twice and had a tough match against Vincent.
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Starcraft needs more than LFF to beat FFVIII, but if it does what it did in 2004, it still has a chance. Namely, it needs variable strength (like L-Block) and rallying. And yeah, I do expect FFIX to hold up very well to FFVIII and maybe even get 45%, though that's admittedly optimistic.
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but I'll admit that, if Squall is any indication (and he probably is, they seem to be at the same power level), FF8 will completely fail at utilizing SFF

Squall did completely dismantle Tidus in 2006. He almost certainly SFF'd Aeris in 2007. He can use the SFF hammer if need be. Sora is just a beast nowadays.
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Well the chance for MM or Starcraft to advance is pretty much 0 anyways.

I refuse to call Final Fantasy VIII a lock.
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Heck, a lot of people just played RBY and that was it (like me), which puts RBY in an even more advantageous position.

Well try to find a large portion of people who played GS, but not RBY.
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Well try to find a large portion of people who played GS, but not RBY.

You're just proving my point for me.

...What is the point anyway?
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"Squall did completely dismantle Tidus in 2006. He almost certainly SFF'd Aeris in 2007. He can use the SFF hammer if need be. Sora is just a beast nowadays."

Is that really the case? I'm pretty surprised, but if so many people think so, I feel better about it. Suddenly, I feel a lot more hopeful about how the casuals will swing when presented with two FF's.

You're just proving my point for me.

...What is the point anyway?

You were saying that people played RBY, but not GS which is true just by looking at sales, but the overlap GS has with RBY is huge as many people who played GS played RBY.

So the overlap GS has with RBY is much larger than IX has with VIII.
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The amount of overlap isn't going to make RBY destroy GS any less. It just makes GS less independent, which is what you don't want if you want to argue MM advancing.

But I wouldn't say it's much larger than the overlap between FFVIII and FFIX.
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The amount of overlap isn't going to make RBY destroy GS any less. It just makes GS less independent, which is what you don't want if you want to argue MM advancing.

While true GS won't fold that easily, many Pokemon fans prefer GS to RBY. Also MM has LFF to work with while Xenogears was in Starcraft's match.
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From: red sox 777 | #048
FF8 (or Starcraft if lightning strikes the same place a fourth time) ought to be a big favorite in that match with OOT there. It's not like RBY would beat it by much, even according to the most optimistic (non-MWC, anyway) opinions on its strength.

But this just shows how strong this game is. A game that is possibly around FF X's strength, is going to need OoT of all games to even have a chance at RBY.
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...You know, discounting SFF, FF8/FFX would be a damn good match. It would basically be Squall/Auron, since that's how both games seem to be behaving. Who ya got for that one?

MWC post

Seriously though, FFVIII could hang with RBY one-on-one. Just throwing OoT into the picture makes it an easy pick.
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What Leon said. I want FF8 in the finals, but I'll admit that, if Squall is any indication (and he probably is, they seem to be at the same power level), FF8 will completely fail at utilizing SFF. We'll probably see FFIX's true strength in that match.

Uhhh, Squall/Tidus?

And put me back into hochi's league of excellence

Or are you just jealous that he put me at the top of his list?
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From: KanzarisKelshen | #067
...You know, discounting SFF, FF8/FFX would be a damn good match. It would basically be Squall/Auron, since that's how both games seem to be behaving. Who ya got for that one?

I would take FF X by the slimmest of margins. Here is my question though, do we even know for sure which way the SFF hammer would fall in that match?
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Zidane =/= FFIX

FFIX is probably stronger then any of it's characters.
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And I would take Squall over Auron. It's always been my belief that it went Vincent = Squall > Auron > the rest of those strong guys
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From: LeonhartFour | #068
MWC post

Seriously though, FFVIII could hang with RBY one-on-one.

I get it now, you were making a joke post.



Unless your definition of hang with it one on one means get beaten worse than FF VII beat OoT. I would have no problem putting RBY at 55 or 56 on FF VIII.

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I don't think we do. On one hand, we've got Vincent/Squall, on the other we have Squall/Tidus, which showed one of the characters we could base a game on on both sides of the coin. There wouldn't be any KHF to go with, so...wow, it might be a non-SFF match anyway, using each game's natural strengths.

And I have no problem putting FFVIII at 55 or 56% on RBY.

See, I can throw out random numbers, too!
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From: Calintares | #071
Zidane =/= FFIX

FFIX is probably stronger then any of it's characters.

There probably isn't too much of a difference. Zidane got 22% on Link while FF9 got 28% on OoT, and I'd expect Link to be stronger than OoT
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From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #076
There probably isn't too much of a difference. Zidane got 22% on Link while FF9 got 28% on OoT, and I'd expect Link to be stronger than OoT

Yeah, that may be one of the dumbest things you ever posted, which is an achievement to be sure.



FF VII, OoT, Legend of Zelda (series), and Final Fantasy(series) are easily the 4 strongest (in some order) contestants we have ever had. Games just resonate more with people than characters.
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I beg to differ.

It goes: Legend of Zelda (series) > FF7 (Series) > Link > FF7 >OoT > Cloud
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Final Fantasy IX should be significantly stronger than any of its characters. No argument to be had here.

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And of course by FF7 (series) i mean Final Fantasy (series).
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Link > FF7 >OoT

I'd love to see a Link v OoT match. I have no idea what would happen, but I can't help but think that whatever happened, it'd be hilarious.
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People don't compare characters, games or series with each other; we have nothing that we can use to relate them.
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I really want to see Link vs. Everyone (either with KP's picture or something akin to the L-Block/Crono/Pikachu/Alucard pic someone made showing L-Block in glory facing down 3 mortal weaklings).
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"People don't compare characters, games or series with each other; we have nothing that we can use to relate them."

'Scuse me? Some games DO work like their characters. Do I need to list examples of it?

No, people don't compare games to characters. That doesn't mean characters' and games' strengths aren't related, it just means most people don't ask themselves, "do I like Cloud more or FFVII more?" and questions like that. In any case the Zidane/FFIX comparison is ridiculous, just from the numbers alone- 22% to 28% is a big difference- more than 60-40.
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I expect RBY to smash GS; I figure there will be a doubling between just them. I also expect LoZ:MM to do much better; between BK, PD, and potential SFF, I'm going to assume LoZ:MM should get a generous ~39% on RBY...and GS will help close that gap (though I don't think LoZ:MM comes close to competing with RBY). MGS will be a superstar that match though...

...for those who think RBY should beat MGS this round (which I don't think are too many, but I heard rumblings), allow me to bring up two things:


1) http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3463

GS did a fine job against MGS, and RBY would have my bet that it would beat MGS in GS's spot too. That said, how much better do you think RBY would do than GS in this indirect comparison? I imagine it wouldn't become a massive blow-out in Pokemon's favor, right? I don't think I can see RBY winning with more than 55% (I like 52'ish%) until we see more from it...

...then let's think about if GS stayed in and RBY replaced Deus Ex: how well do you think the Pokemon games fair? GS would likely be taken down to below FFT's level most likely, but even then, RBY's going to be LFF'd below MGS unless RBY deserves to destroy MGS. If that's the case, so be it, but...


2) http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3469

...in a match with three Nintendo games (one of which isn't even that big), Disgaea was able to take updates over LoZ:WW and did quite well for itself. Though I still think LoZ:WW > LoZ:MM, LoZ:MM will still be a third BIG Nintendo game in the match. The LFF (both the direct from GS and the less-direct/indirect from LoZ:MM) will bring RBY down a LOT against MGS, and that's neverminding how much MGS should stand out in the pic if that plays a factor. I wouldn't be comfortable taking RBY > MGS there if RBY could 60/40 MGS, and MGS is still a very strong game...

...the circumstances are just too much without believing RBY is a mega-game here, and -- while it's undoubtedly proven its worth in a lot of ways -- I don't think it's much more than a Top Ten game until further notice. Unfortunately for RBY, it's going to take more than even that to take first place this round, and given that we've only seen it once it even runs the risk of being exposed.


It had a killer first match and it couldn't have asked to do any better, but it's not invincible. RBY fans just need to hope it holds its own this round so maybe LoZ:OoT won't obliterate it in R3 (especially with another powerful RPG in FF8 there).
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Oh. That makes a lot more sense. Ignore the stupid newbie, then.

RBY won't defeat MGS this round, not with GS.
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Oh man, Tetris's day vote is indeed down there with the worst of them. It was almost at 58% on MM2 at one time, and it's going to finish at close to 55% by the time it's all said and done.
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It is pretty bad, but it isn't helped by the fact that Tetris was just devastating MM2 around the 3-8 AM timeframe. Tetris was just going crazy then, and MM2 was doing miserable. Tetris just had nowhere to go but down from there, and MM2 nowhere to go but up.

Tetris is still doing badly with the day, but the huge contrast isn't helping its appearance.
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What's with the endless Pokestats and discussion. That match isn't even for a while.

We have a huge match between two beasts tomorrow, SMB vs. LoZ. This is a big-time match. One game or the other might win comfortably due to SFF but right now it could go either way, though LoZ is probably the favorite.

It's important too because this result should be replicated in the 3rd round. This is a bigger, more important, and more debatable match than the Pokemon matches. Let's have some real discussion here between two monstrous games! That's what I'm talking about.
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I don't think OoT being in the poll matters nearly as much as people are saying it will. It could tip the scales in a close match, yeah, but RBY should hold up very well.

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I would take RBY over SMB and LoZ, creative, so from my point of view I am talking about a monstrous game!

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Creative: The problem is, we had the discussion already in the last topic, and it's kinda tapped. Right now, discussing even more would lead to too much hype, to the point it'd probably end up as a letdown even if the two titans duked it out for the whole day with the lead capping at 50. Concentrating on Pokémon keeps SMB/Zelda fresh.

I would take RBY over SMB and LoZ, creative, so from my point of view I am talking about a monstrous game!

you out yo damned mind foo'
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It's not like I'm the only one. Even Anti-PokeFEAR Heroic Mario tentatively put RBY in his Top 10!

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FACT or FICTION: SMB1 could have done anything LoZ did in the 2004 BGE outside of SMB3/LoZ (excluded for SFF).

For reference:
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Fact.
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Concentrating on Pokémon keeps SMB/Zelda fresh.

SMB/Zelda is fresh compared to this stale as hell Pokemon LFF discussion.

I've got SMB in my bracket - I actually expected it to win pre-contest, it wasn't just a "good upset to take" pick, though I think it was a good upset to take. Now I'm 50/50, probably leaning ever so slightly towards LoZ, but not by much.

SMB could play a big role in LFFing SMB3 and LoZ down the line too.
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From: KamikazePotato | #093
I would take RBY over SMB and LoZ, creative, so from my point of view I am talking about a monstrous game!

Of course you would. How can you not? From what I have seen so far, Creative appears to be the only one who has SMB>RBY. And as I so elegantly put it in the last topic, Creative is always wrong. RBY would take down the NES Titans, all 3 of them, SMB 3 included (I know not everyone thinks that, I am on that train alone).
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