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Hochi has the right idea

I can't imagine any classic nes fan would take Legend of Zelda over the game that freaking made Nintendo what it is.
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Here's the thing: Would you take Final Fantasy I to beat Super Mario Bros. head-to-head? If not, then you acknowledge it's worth at least 40% on Mario 3 indirectly. Zelda got 43%. There's enough wiggle room there for Mario 1 to win.
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Oh yeah, and you people need to stop overrating R/B/Y. GSC got close to MGS? Yes, that was MGS being leeched by FFT and Deus Ex. GSC was the SOLE Nintendo game there. I was not impressed.
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Um hochi why would a PC WRPG leech a japanese TPS
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Here's the thing: Would you take Final Fantasy I to beat Super Mario Bros. head-to-head?


Of course not. Who would?
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Um hochi why would a PC WRPG leech a japanese TPS


I would assume it would leech MGS before Pokemon but it actually matters not. What does matter is that MGS and FFT were both popular PSX gams plus we've already seen Final Fantasy/MGS overlap before. People don't factor that in when they look at GSC/MGS. GSC was the SOLE Nintendo rep.


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Why would Deus Ex leech MGS at ALL? It's a PC game, different genre, different company...there's no overlap there at all.
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1181
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I'd say Deus Ex would overlap with Pokemon and FFT more since they're all RPGs. MGS was the only non RPG. It stands out, so it should do better, no?
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From: RockMFR 5 | #408
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1181

That poll was invalidated by the round 1 Mario Bros performance. This game has some serious strength.
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Why would Deus Ex leech MGS at ALL? It's a PC game, different genre, different company...there's no overlap there at all.


Deus Ex is a futuristic robot/shooter/industrial revolution game much like MGS. All I'm saying is that it's more likely to drain MGS before it drains GSC. There is NEVER an equilibrium of leeching. An extraneous factor game will always leech one game more than the other even if it's by a borderline negligible amount.
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That poll is very unreliable in getting a read on Mario 1's strength before we had yet to see it in action. Mario 1 was stuck behind a lot of SFF and even lost to Super Mario Sunshine, the newest Mario game at the time. I am hesitant to use very old polls to judge a game's strength, simply because voter preferences could have changed between then and now. Mario 1 would have no problem defeating Super Mario Sunshine if that poll was re-run again.
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1181


Nice try but you forget who you're dealing with. I'm the greatest predictor in this god-forsaken topic.


http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1180.


Oh no, LoZ got destroyed. Allow me to educate you, cretin. Everybody prefers SMB3 to SMB much like how everyone prefers Lttp to LoZ. Neither SMB3 nor Lttp will be present.
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SMB1 > LoZ tomorrow, bank on it!!!

Haha, I'm not nearly that certain about it...but I still think SMB1 will edge it out. It's gotta be careful that two other platformers are in the poll with it, but I don't like to think Ninja Gaiden and Metroid being double-SFF'd will affect SMB1/LoZ too much. The NES definitely favored SMB > LoZ more than other systems though; we can agree that LoZ:LttP is stronger than any SNES-Mario game (All-Stars excluded!), LoZ:OoT pounds SM64, LoZ:TP beats SMG despite LoZ:WW in the GotC-poll, and even LoZ:WW would squash SMS. On the NES though, SMB3 reigns supreme of the entire generation and SMB1 is the reason why the NES and gaming in general took off like we know it today. That's no knock to LoZ, but the NES-era was very dominant for Mario and SMB1 has both the mad-credit and a legit fanbase from the very beginning to today. It should be interesting to see how they go tomorrow and in the following rounds.


Also, can anybody double-check when LoZ:TP's first trailer was released in reference to the 2004-contest? It'd be interesting to see if it came out shortly before SMB3/LoZ like I think was mentioned.
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Metroid and Ninja Gaiden will be lucky to get 15% combined. I don't think they'll have much of an impact on the outcome.
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Mario Bros 1: 50%
Legend of Zelda: 35%
Metroid: 15%
Ninja Gaiden: 0%
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Yep, Tetris's day vote is horrible. Despite being up nearly 10% on Mega Man 2, it's barely increased the lead by 100 votes in the last 30 minutes.
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But shouldn't it be easy to adjust for SFF? It's not like there were many cases where it was hard to call that a game was being beat to the ground due to overlap. After all, I doubt many people have been burned due to the SFF from the other divisions, but the inflated stats due to Starcraft's and SSBM close matches have caused a ton of overestimation time and time again.

The problem of adjusting is that we have no reference point.
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I wanted to note down that Mario 1 is more popular than Zelda 1 in every part of the world besides North America. Even then, Zelda 1 is only very slightly more popular than Mario 1 in North America.

Region…………SMB……………LoZ
World…………70.54%…………61.28%
N. Am…………-1.14%…………+0.67%
S. Am…………+0.63%………-10.63%
Europe…………+5.23%………+1.17%
Asia……………+2.05%………-17.59%
Oceania………+4.60%………+2.50%

This shows how much better or worse the two games did in different regions compared to the entire world.

What this would mean is if Mario 1/Zelda 1 is very close in North America (like 2000 votes or less), the rest of the world could swing the match in Mario's favor. Because of this, I'm expecting Mario 1 to do better than Zelda 1 with the night vote.
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Hell yeah, South Am goes for Mario! I knew the three other people who live here would vote like I did! :p

I have Mario 1 > Zelda 1, but I'm not at all confident in it.
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I think you need to take account of the opponents for example Contra is really popular in Asia...
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I think Mario 1 needs respect votes if it wants the win. There are still people out there who love the original LoZ and consider it their favorite in the series. Mario 1 is all nostalgia and industry influence. I don't know many (any?) people who'd rank it in their top one or two Mario games.
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It's not all that accurate to compare those two matches directly, as the competition was different.

All evidence points to Zelda being stronger in North America then everywhere else, but that does not prove anything except that SMB is going to take the dead hours.
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I think Mario 1 needs respect votes if it wants the win. There are still people out there who love the original LoZ and consider it their favorite in the series. Mario 1 is all nostalgia and industry influence. I don't know many (any?) people who'd rank it in their top one or two Mario games.


According to polls 1180 and 1181, the people who consider SMB to be their favorite Mario game and the people who consider LoZ to be their favorite Zelda game make up almost identical percent. (6-8%)

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Mario 1 is one of those games I would actually buy the "It's friggin' MARIO!" argument for, even against Zelda 1. And it doesn't have to be your favorite Mario game for you to love it. Heck, if it's third or fourth, it's right there with Zelda 1, which is third or fourth in the Zelda pecking order.
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I think you need to take account of the opponents for example Contra is really popular in Asia...

Well, that I'm aware of. Even without Contra present, it certainly won't stop Asia from making Zelda 1 do really bad there. Asia probably won't do much to help out Mario 1 here, as their vote totals are pretty low (3000 to 5000).

All evidence points to Zelda being stronger in North America then everywhere else, but that does not prove anything except that SMB is going to take the dead hours.

I already stated that Zelda is at its strongest in North America than the rest of the world.
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Zelda as a whole is definitely stronger in North America compared to everywhere else. You can look at any of their matches to confirm this. Nintendo in general is the same. That's why they have strong ASVs.
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From: hochiminhX | Posted: 5/9/2009 3:33:24 PM | #425
I think Mario 1 needs respect votes if it wants the win. There are still people out there who love the original LoZ and consider it their favorite in the series. Mario 1 is all nostalgia and industry influence. I don't know many (any?) people who'd rank it in their top one or two Mario games.


According to polls 1180 and 1181, the people who consider SMB to be their favorite Mario game and the people who consider LoZ to be their favorite Zelda game make up almost identical percent. (6-8%)

And Mario 1 had to deal with Mario 3 in the same poll, yet Mario 1 held up well. Zelda 1 had no NES competition there, so the identical percentages favor Mario 1's performance. It's the whole reason I picked Mario.
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The fact that Mario 1 actually beat out Mario World on the List astounded me. That was one of the most surprising things about the List.

I know the List is worthless in gauging contest strength, but the games that are in the top 20-25 made it for a reason, for the most part.
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Oh, when I make it a point not to mention the Top 100 List for once, people use it to support one of my biggest arguments this contest? I see how it is. =P
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I prefaced that statement with the fact that the List is worthless in gauging contest strength, for what it's worth! I was just stating that it surprised a lot of people!

Though after watching our #9 game nearly lose to KOTOR and our #11 game lose to a write-in, forget about it!
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Two straight cuts for Mega Man 2! Sound the comeback alarm!
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I have Mario > Zelda, and I really don't feel good about it.
But I'm not sure I would feel any better if I had Zelda > Mario.

That match is a complete toss-up, and there's really no way to tell which game wins that match.
On one hand we have "It's freakin' Mario", on the other hand we have "ZELDA".

I'll just have to root for Mario, as I need to recover those 4 points that I lost because of MM2's massive suckage. And just when I was close to the leaderboard.
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I'm just voting for Mario because SMB is gaming. It might sound like an exaggeration, but, if I had to pick a single game to represent gaming in a battle between all forms of entertainment, I'd pick SMB1, MAYBE giving SM64 a chance because of how revolutionary it was. Zelda is awesome, but SMB deserves to win in its match. After gaming nearly died, it was the first classic we had, and the one that helped transform a dying industry into the juggernaut it is today. The combination of its legacy and how fun it is should carry it to the top. At least, I hope that's the case.

For what it's worth, there's no doubt I like LoZ the most out of tomorrow's games (I recently beat its Second Quest and it's the only LoZ-game I've beaten more than once...though LoZ:WW > LoZ!), yet I still feel compelled to vote for SMB out of respect.

Maybe I'm an isolated case, maybe I'm not alone...hard to say.
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The fact that Mario 1 actually beat out Mario World on the List astounded me. That was one of the most surprising things about the List.

I don't find it that surprising, Mario 1 commands so much respect from gamers for it's place in history.
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I thought that for most people, SMB1 stood the test of time much better than Zelda 1, which is why we've seen more re-releases and ports of SMB1 and LttP than Zelda 1. I'd say that there are more people who prefer SMB1 to SMB3 than people who prefer Zelda 1 to LttP.
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I don't think that's necessarily true. They both have the same amount of re-releases/ports, except SMB1 has Super Mario Bros. Deluxe going for it. Doesn't really mean it's aged better -- although between the two I prefer SMB1.

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For the record, there are these polls on SMB:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2420
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2663

Only about 5-6% of people have never played Mario 1. 14.5% of people had played it recently at the time of the poll (which is only 2 years old, for the record), which is kind of a surprising number to me.

For LoZ:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2418
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2662

About 24-25% of people have never played Zelda 1. About 10% of people had played it recently at the time of that poll.
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New Super Mario Bros. was another remake (Deluxe was really a re-released with some nifty new features and bonuses), though SMB1 really is timeless because it's so very simple and works. There's not much to build on.

Now, Zelda: LTTP came and refined everything that Zelda 1 did to the point where Zelda 1 is clunky in retrospect. It's kind of like how after playing Super Metroid I cannot go back and play Metroid 1 the same way. Yes, it has it's place in history but as a game by itself it is quite clunky. That's not a knock and it happens in the creative process in game design. The original comes and introduces the concept with the designer figuring out how to implement it and the gamer how to play it. Then, after it's release and the sequel gets green-lit the creator figures out what worked and what didn't and builds the sequel around that.

It's kind of like how Killzone 1 was so terrible, but had a great concept and atmosphere got fixed when Guerilla went back and made Killzone 2 which fixed everything.
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I wouldn't count NSMB. That game is so different from the original SMB that the similarities are in name alone, really. Although you could argue it's kept Mario Bros. in people's minds at least, on top of all the other factors.

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It is a remake, Nintendo has stated it as such.
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But nobody who played it thinks of it that way.
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Uh, where did they say this? They said they drew inspiration from the simplicity and 'everyone can play it' factor of SMB, but nothing about it being a remake of the original.

Pretty shoddy remake, if you wanna look at it like that.

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tomorrow should be awesome.

go Zelda.
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With those polls, it's interesting how much more dominate SMB is than LoZ in people who played/owned it on the NES and people who have completed the games. Not that those factors hurt LoZ much against SMB3, mind you, but it can't hurt SMB either and they're neat to see.
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But nobody who played it thinks of it that way.

Hey, I wasn't a fan either but now that I think about it it's a weird remake/redesign hybrid. Either way, it's clearly referencing SMB1 so much that it might as well be a remake.
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NSMB is in no way a remake.
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