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Well Pac-Man is doing almost as bad as Pong and DK did against Tetris, I guess Donkey Kong is also LFF Pac-Man.

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BGE2 - Today's Match: MM2 > Tetris Points: 93/128

Ouch Pac-Man sure killed Tetris in that update.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: MM2 > Tetris Points: 93/128

Tetris is now dropping in percentage right now, which started occuring at about the same that this occured last round.
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gross why is DK going up with the morning vote

as for LoZ vs. SMB uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh give me ZELDA I guess
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Match 33 - Bracket: MM2 > Tetris - Vote: Tetris (91/128)

I find it funny that LoZ/SMB is going to have over 80% of the vote.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: MM2 > Tetris Points: 93/128

I'm worried SF2 is going to find a way to lose to Sonic to complete a trifecta of Street Failure
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Don't worry, it will. Nobody cares about Street Fighter anymore. My poor bracket :(
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NP: Tetris > Mega Man 2 | http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=4

In an attempt to outdo each other in terms of flopping Monkey Island takes second while SMB3 sets a new percent record.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: MM2 > Tetris Points: 93/128

At this rate Tetris is heading for below 40%.

In other news Pac-Man doesn't look as bad as Pong in 2004 and has gained about 4% on MM2 since the start of the poll.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: MM2 > Tetris Points: 93/128

Now that you guys mention it, methinks that Street Fighter II will indeed LOSE to Sonic the Hedgehog even when Sonic 1 is weakened by Mario 3. I mean, well, here are some points.

-Sonic 1 beat Street Fighter II by about a thousand votes last round.
-It's an NES Mario game against a Genesis Sonic game! Gaming history suggests that Sonic 1 ought to OVERPERFORM against Mario 3 rather than feel SFF heat, seeing how the Genesis was aimed at doing what the NES couldn't do. You know the saying, people. GENESIS DOES WHAT NINTENDON'T.

Yep, I've been thinking about it for a while and Sonic 1 should advance to round 3. Wouldn't really mind it all a whole lot if it upset Street Fighter II either, though that's only because both games are very influential. Of course, my bracket is going to be ruined if Street Fighter II doesn't advance tomorrow, so yeah, whatever.

As far as where my bracket really is ruined, I had San Andreas taking 2nd place in its division, and, well, you guys saw what happened (according to THE LIST, San Andreas should have won its entire division, but it instead took last place in a ROUND 1 match). I also had Halo winning its division, though that was because of how I thought:

"Halo and SSBM were about equal in the Games Contest's x-stats, and Halo didn't finish far behind SSBM on the 2005 list. Now take into account that Halo benefits from this format a whole lot, and you've got a big winner! Not to mention SSBM likely went down in strength thanks to its sequel."

OOPS

-Sonic 1 beat Street Fighter II by about a thousand votes last round.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3450

More like ten-thousand

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98/128 points - The Best. Game. Ever 2009 Contest
NP: Tetris > Mega Man 2 | http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=4

Yeah, that's what I meant to say. Whoops.

Also does anyone think SMB3 will old school SFF Street Fighter II?
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BGE2 - Today's Match: MM2 > Tetris Points: 93/128

"-Sonic 1 beat Street Fighter II by about a thousand votes last round.
-It's an NES Mario game against a Genesis Sonic game! Gaming history suggests that Sonic 1 ought to OVERPERFORM against Mario 3 rather than feel SFF heat, seeing how the Genesis was aimed at doing what the NES couldn't do. You know the saying, people. GENESIS DOES WHAT NINTENDON'T."

Yep. Genesis does what Nintendon't. It loses contest matches. :P

Sorry, but I had to resurrect that "Why did they lose?" joke. At this point, Sonic is a Nintendo character, and this has carried over to his games, seeing how Sonic 3 got crushed by SMK and SM.

Mario 3's going to SFF everything everywhere so that Tecmo Super Bowl looks like the 4th-strongest game in the contest.
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"Mario 3's going to SFF everything everywhere so that Tecmo Super Bowl looks like the 4th-strongest game in the contest."

I'd almost take it to SFF LttP/Oot. That was some seriously impressive turbofodder munching. (this is a joke, obviously)

I would laugh so hard if Monkey Island ended up coming in second again because SMB3 SFF'd both Sonic and Street Fighter 2 really hard.

As for tomorrow's match, I'm feeling a fairly large Zelda victory. Among the NES fanbase it may be even, but among younger generations the Zelda name should dominate.
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The match could be Link/Young Link/Toon Link/Monkey Island and I still think Monkey Island would get last. >_>;
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We all know Young Link and Toon Link would crush the likes of Sonic and Ryu! (They'd beat any of the lower Noble Nine, and maybe anyone outside of Clinkeroth actually, but let's not go there).
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Guru winner should nominate CD-i Link for the next Character Battle, imho.
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"I would laugh so hard if Monkey Island ended up coming in second again because SMB3 SFF'd both Sonic and Street Fighter 2 really hard.

As for tomorrow's match, I'm feeling a fairly large Zelda victory. Among the NES fanbase it may be even, but among younger generations the Zelda name should dominate. "

Sounds plausible...but remember the last time an old school Zelda game went up against Old Mario.

http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Mario_Bros._3_vs_The_Legend_of_Zelda_2004

I'm not going to say Mario is a lock to win this, but I wouldn't say Zelda is going to win by a large margin either.

That match is exactly the reason I feel good about Zelda tomorrow. SMB3 should be a lot stronger than SMB1, and the fact that Zelda won the ASV convincingly also suggests that it did indeed have the support of the younger generations (meaning N64 and later) in that match, and those demographic groups make up a larger portion of the site now.
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Whoever suggested that Super Mario Bros. 3 will SFF Street Fighter II deserves some kudos. I seriously would've never thought of that!

Also, kudos to whoever pointed out that Zelda I could win convincingly among younger generations. Say, isn't Mario one of the worst characters with the ASV?

Are you sure about that? I know this division is all apathy voting, but SMB pulled a number of votes and percentages Let's compare:

SMB3: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3451

SMB: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3448

SMB drew 8k less votes, which I'd expect, as it IS a weaker entry than SMB3, but not by much. It also drew less percentage, but it had a fourpack that was a bit (just a bit) stronger than SMB3.

Now, let's see Zelda: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3449

SMB has the vote and percentage advantage, but had a weaker fourpack. I'd call them about even. Therefore, we have to gauge if SFF will do anything. IMO, it will, and will work in favor of SMB. Zelda is the no. 1 series here, but SMB is still a game that should be able to defeat Zelda.

No, Mario is good with the ASV.....not so good compared to other Nintendo characters, but good compared to most characters. SMB3 however is not, and I'd expect SMB to have fairly similar trends.
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*SMB pulled a number of votes and percentages not too far away from SMB3. Stupid need to preview posts...

I'm not sure that Zelda is going to win, no. But I think that if SMB wins, it will be by a small margin, whereas the potential exists for a large Zelda win, in part due to SFF and in part because I think it's probably a stronger game without SFF. I can't see Mario 1 being at SMW's level, and Zelda 1 and SMW were about even in the 2004 stats......I'd think Zelda does even better now than back then.
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Hm, comparing to round 1 it looks like Pac-Man is being significantly SFF'd, to the tune of 10% on Tetris, and Donkey Kong is being SFF'd as well (4% on Tetris). It also looks like both The Oregon Trail and Pong would have beaten DK and Punch-Out!!, which seems pretty depressing for the latter two games.
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That sounds very reasonable. I'd peg SMB as somewhat stronger than SMW, but not so much that it's going to beat Zelda into the ground. To me, this match is going to be more about seeing if SFF is actually working in this contest. If it doesn't, we'll probably have a really close match.

There was no ASV in SMB3 vs. LoZ! The match was held on Memorial Day. I'm not sure who won the morning vote, though.
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I'm feeling good about Zelda. That 77% it got on Metroid is only one percent behind what Mario 3 managed in 2004. I don't think Mario Bros. has that level of raw strength, and if the match is seen as a battle between the two series of sorts, then Zelda obviously cruises. My lone worry has to do with SMB getting a lot of "respect votes." That's the only game in the contest I'd make such an argument for.
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Tomorrow's match is basically MARIO vs. ZELDA.

Usually I'm against ZELDA arguments, but it's probably all you need for that one. >_>

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Using SFF performances is often a bad idea, maybe LoZ was better at SFFing than SMB3.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: MM2 > Tetris Points: 93/128

If Zelda wins big, it'll be 2-1 in favor of the ZELDA argument.
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Using SFF performances is often a bad idea, maybe LoZ was better at SFFing than SMB3.

Which isn't a bad thing considering its opponent here!
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Also, don't forget that SMB3 vs. Zelda was right after E3 2004 with all the Zelda hype. I was going to suggest that maybe that explains FFVI's fourpack dropping, but the announcement came before LttP Vs. FFVI. Maybe it had a delayed reaction?
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No, using 2004 performances is *always* a bad idea, I'd bring that up before SFF.
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Then again, SMB3 SFFed Zelda way back in 2k4. Really, this is a toss up, where SFF is going to swing the match and we don't know who'll benefit from it. On one hand, we've got the game that saved gaming. If there's one game nobody is ever going to anti-vote, it's this one. On the other hand...well, ZELDA. Zelda did better this year, but it was beaten soundly in 2k4 by SMB3. What will happen when two titans clash?

I don't think SMB3 SFF LoZ...
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BGE2 - Today's Match: MM2 > Tetris Points: 93/128

"I don't think SMB3 SFF LoZ..."

How can you explain 57-43 against a Zelda game otherwise? Unless SMB3 is a total beast and that was its raw strength, I don't see any other possible explanations.

Mario 3 was the fifth strongest game on the site then and is probably the fifth strongest game on the site now - and is more likely to be fourth than sixth if you ask me. It is, as you say, a "total beast."
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What are the third and fourth strongest games, then? LttP and CT? It's just that seeing what was almost an Ulti-style destruction against a Zelda game that is universally loved is hard to reconcile with SMB3's anticlimatic loss against CT, unless you consider some pretty big gaps against the games.

Also, what's so bad about the 2k4 stats, Division 128 aside? The rest of the divisions worked out as intended, after all.

How can you explain 57-43 against a Zelda game otherwise? Unless SMB3 is a total beast and that was its raw strength, I don't see any other possible explanations.

Zelda is not some series that is all powerful, we've just saw Majora's Mask and Wind Waker take a beating. Besides SMB3 is one of the strongest games in the bracket. The only thing that is holding it back in this quarter division is LFF.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: MM2 > Tetris Points: 93/128

Also, what's so bad about the 2k4 stats, Division 128 aside? The rest of the divisions worked out as intended, after all.

Outside of the 128-bit division the following games are behind SFF or connected to it...

Metroid
Pac-Man
Donkey Kong
Duck Hunt
Pong
River City Ransom
Tetris
Galaga
Sonic 2
Shining Force
Super Metroid
Phantasy Star IV
Suikoden II
Xenogears
Pokemon G/S/C
Metal Gear Solid
Resident Evil
Final Fantasy Tactics
Dance Dance Revolution
Perfect Dark
Castlevania: SotN
GoldenEye 007
Panzer Dragoon Saga
Super Mario 64
NiGHTS into Dreams...

Not to forget that it's been five years since the previous contest.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: MM2 > Tetris Points: 93/128

But shouldn't it be easy to adjust for SFF? It's not like there were many cases where it was hard to call that a game was being beat to the ground due to overlap. After all, I doubt many people have been burned due to the SFF from the other divisions, but the inflated stats due to Starcraft's and SSBM close matches have caused a ton of overestimation time and time again.

Tetris is now dropping in percentage right now, which started occuring at about the same that this occured last round.

I told you, Tetris has one of the worst day votes ever. It's already lost nearly 2% off of its peak percentage seven hours ago. It should finish this match below 40% by the time it's said and done.
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And for the record, the 2004 Games Contest stats state Pong > Donkey Kong. Heck, they're right next to each other in the stats. Pong is expected to win 52/48 there.

...Makes me wonder how low Ninja Gaiden will go tomorrow if it could barely beat Duck Hunt.
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A sff'd Duck Hunt.
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LoZ is going to get destroyed tomorrow.
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That match is exactly the reason I feel good about Zelda tomorrow. SMB3 should be a lot stronger than SMB1

I'm still feeling good about Mario 1 beating Zelda 1 tomorrow and I have it in my bracket too. I don't think Mario 1 is significantly weaker than Mario 3 to the point where it won't be able to beat Zelda 1. When I assessed how Mario 1 might be expected to do against Zelda 1, I used the results of the Mario 3 match as a reference point. What I did was took Mario 3's fourpack and replaced it with Mario 1. I then asked myself "What would Mario 1 get in a fourpack of SimCity/Mario 1/Tecmo/Monkey Island?". I predict Mario 1 would break 73% in that fourpack, given that Mario 1 got 70.54% on a slightly tougher fourpack. Compare that to Mario 3's 75.85% and now you have a Mario 1 whose strength is very close to that of Mario 3. Mario 3 of course almost got 57% on Zelda 1 back in 2004. Even with Mario 1 being just slightly weaker than Mario 3, this still gives enough leeway for Mario 1 to defeat Zelda 1. Though, Mario 1/Zelda 1 could go either way, but both results are easily possible.
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