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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 708

LeonhartFour | Posted 5/8/2009 5:53:39 PM | message detail
Final Fantasy XII: Just when it seems like Square can do no wrong, FFXII happened. This match seemed like an easy win for FFXII, even for those who had HL2 advancing. Square games were rolling, FPS games were bombing, and then...It fell behind HL2 early and never had a chance from there. This match didn't make any sense to me at the time, though it does make a little more sense after watching Call of Duty 4 own face.

Grade: D-

Half-Life 2: Hey, Gordon became a midcarder for a reason, and Half-Life 2 proved it. It did very well in this match, beating FFXII without breaking a sweat and even doing decently on Twilight Princess.

Grade: A-

Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: An amazing board vote followed by a precipitous downward spiral for the rest of the match. Some people had pretty high expectations of this game going into it, but it basically did what I thought it would. Getting doubled by FFXII is bad news though.

Grade: F

Twilight Princess: Now this was a game I had pretty high expectations for going into it. I was kinda disappointed that it didn't break 40%, but overall, this was about an average performance. Not bad, but not great by any means.

Grade: C
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/8/2009 5:55:59 PM | message detail
but those who for whatever the reason have it going to the finals don't (except Albion, but what can you do?).

my bracket has it out in round 3 >_>;
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/8/2009 5:58:32 PM | message detail
2004-2006 Overall

The Good: Metal Gear Solid 3 put up a good performance, and Half-Life 2 did very well for itself. Niche games Okami and Shadow of the Colossus put up some solid numbers as well. Tales of Symphonia provides a Cinderella, feel-good story for Board 8.

The STAR: Gotta be Kingdom Hearts II here. Sure, it didn't win the match, but it came closer to RE4 than anyone thought it would. This was the only really stellar performance in a division full of average and so-so performances.

The Bad: Halo 2 put up a sorry performance, even for Halo. Resident Evil 4 was a relative disappointment, though it still got first place; same with Twilight Princess. Final Fantasy XII flopped in spite of all the evidence pointing to a win.

The TURD: But as bad as all that was, San Andreas takes the turd for this division. Getting last place in a match full of average midcarders at best after all the acclaim this game had was horrendous.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/8/2009 5:58:44 PM | message detail
Star of the Round: Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow

I expected that RBY was strong, I said the day before its match that it could at its ceiling potentially be as strong as FFVI, but what it actually did was out of this world. Forget FFVI as its ceiling- more like its floor. RBY got 50% against competition that included a Zelda game, Majora's Mask, that should have some decent strength even if it isn't a high level Zelda- RBY looks very good for the top 10, and I'd probably rank it #7 myself as of now.

2. Final Fantasy VIII: FFVIII showed us a very impressive beatdown of Starcraft, enough for it to be the favorite next round even with FFIX in the poll and having impressed in round 1.

3. Tales of Symphonia: I don't like this game; from what I've seen of it (admittedly little), the world and characters are bland, the battle system is bad, and the music puts me to sleep. But.....it's not fails of symphonia anymore, is it?

4. Call of Duty 4: It wasn't all that surprising given how badly Nintendo has looked recently, but CoD4's reversal of the 2007 GOTY results and easy win over Galaxy was still impressive.

Turd of the Round: Street Fighter 2

You'd think that losing to Sonic 1 wouldn't make SF2 the turd of the round, but it didn't just lose, it lost badly, as badly as it did to SMRPG back in 2004. Even that wouldn't have been so bad if the other Sonic games hadn't gone out and completely embarassed themselves, as Sonic has been doing the past 2 years. Sonic went from his usual failures to looking really good against Street Fighter 2- that tells you how bad this performance was.

2. Sonic the Hedgehog 3: This game was supposed to contend for first perhaps due to the Nintendo LFF. Instead, it lost easily to not just one, but both of the Nintendo games.

3. Starcraft: My upset pick to go deep into the contest got off to a bad start. It's going to need to rely on fanbase splits, rallying, and most importantly VARIABLE STRENGTH to save it!

4. Super Mario Galaxy: This is Nintendo, now. For 3 years this company stood as a colossus dominating everything in these contests it touched, but now the tides have turned and the excesses of those years are being washed away in waves of fire.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/8/2009 5:59:27 PM | message detail
my bracket has it out in round 3 >_>;

Well, I saw you arguing for it getting out of round three with MGS3, TP, and RE4/KHII the other day, so I just figured you had it going further than that.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/8/2009 5:59:47 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #055
my bracket has it out in round 3 >_>;

Well, I saw you arguing for it getting out of round three with MGS3, TP, and RE4/KHII the other day, so I just figured you had it going further than that.


Oh I don't think it'll get out, I'm just trying to be optomistic >.<
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transients | Posted 5/8/2009 6:00:02 PM | message detail
I am really surprised that people are so down on Street Fighter. you guys must have really overrated it pre-contest. sheesh.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/8/2009 6:01:43 PM | message detail
Well its just that all the stats we had and Sonic always sucking, it had no reason to lose, let alone get blown out
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/8/2009 6:02:03 PM | message detail
I was down on Sonic before this contest started, so to see it flop against Sonic was pretty bad in my eyes.
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transients | Posted 5/8/2009 6:03:00 PM | message detail
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ohhhh yeah
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/8/2009 6:04:07 PM | message detail
Besides the only other turd that could compete is San Andreas
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creativename | Posted 5/8/2009 6:09:51 PM | message detail
And Pokemon RBY is threatening to break down that wall.

RBY has to have the most overrated performance of the first round. IMO the RBY overestimation around here is borderline ridiculous.
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transients | Posted 5/8/2009 6:11:56 PM | message detail
RBY has a poor path so it's very very unlikely it can ever show its true strength. that said, if it gets close to Metal Gear Solid despite G/S and another Nintendo game in its pack, are you willing to concede it as a strong game?

I'm still not taking it over any of those six. but it could make an argument for #7 -- god knows nothing else has really stepped up to the plate besides maybe FF8 and Mario 64.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/8/2009 6:12:23 PM | message detail
get close? Its gonna easily beat MGS
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ZFS | Posted 5/8/2009 6:12:49 PM | message detail
Give me FFX over RBY for sure.

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charmander6000 | Posted 5/8/2009 6:13:22 PM | message detail
Vote Total Average for Each Division

72-88 - 116311
89-91 - 118833
92-94 - 114090
95-97 - 122232
98-00 - 125130
01-03 - 121311
04-06 - 123729
07-09 - 111802

Today's match is heading for about 103k.

The last division is terrible, also the second division had SMW/FF's high vote total.
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transients | Posted 5/8/2009 6:14:24 PM | message detail
72-88 - 116311
92-94 - 114090

SNES owned
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/8/2009 6:15:39 PM | message detail
2007-2009 GRADES

Grand Theft Auto IV: Finally, a Grand Theft Auto game that does what it's supposed to and doesn't struggle to advance. Granted, that's mostly due to the competition, but in my mind, this was the best performance by a GTA game in the first round.

Grade: B

Persona 4: This game did better than I thought in one regard, but worse in another because I thought for sure the Persona 4 fans would care enough to "rally" it past SFIV in that last update! Shame, shame!

Grade: F

Street Fighter IV: After Street Fighter II flopped against Sonic 1, I basically gave up hope on SFIV beating GTA IV, but I definitely wasn't expecting this, struggling with Persona 4 all day en route to a 7 vote margin of victory. It makes me sad that some people will actually consider this one of the closest matches of all-time when it didn't matter! Hopefully, Bacon isn't one of those people!

Grade: F

Super Smash Bros. Brawl: Brawl actually got a higher percentage than I was expecting, but that's partially due to Street Fighter IV overestimation! I think it basically did everything it needed to do to set itself up as the favorite over Galaxy in round 2. Galaxy's flop was simply icing on the cake.

Grade: A-
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/8/2009 6:16:32 PM | message detail
1995-2000 games having the highest average vote total to the surprise of no one!
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BDawg | Posted 5/8/2009 6:17:05 PM | message detail
I'm still interested to see if Street Fighter II can pull a Ryu and turn some tables when there's a 500 pound tanuki suit in the room.
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creativename | Posted 5/8/2009 6:18:15 PM | message detail
Forget FFVI as its ceiling- more like its floor.

I...I...what
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/8/2009 6:18:27 PM | message detail
lol persona 4 gets an F even though it nearly beat Street Fighter, flop or not? It should get a D at least
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 5/8/2009 6:18:43 PM | message detail
More like FF7 as its floor
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creativename | Posted 5/8/2009 6:19:22 PM | message detail
I'm still not taking it over any of those six. but it could make an argument for #7 -- god knows nothing else has really stepped up to the plate besides maybe FF8 and Mario 64.

There's no way RBY is as strong as FFX, FFVIII, and Mario 64, it's not in their league. And probably a bunch of games I'm totally forgetting.
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creativename | Posted 5/8/2009 6:21:36 PM | message detail
I mean really, this has got to be one of the all-time "putting too much stock into a single performance" hype trains this topic has ever produced. And lord knows there's been a few.

It crushed Majora's Mask for goodness sake.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/8/2009 6:22:37 PM | message detail
Don't worry in round 3 RBY will flop so hard it will be sad.

Then we'll all blame it on SFF and adjust it based on nothing.
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xp1337 | Posted 5/8/2009 6:22:54 PM | message detail
lol persona 4 gets an F even though it nearly beat Street Fighter, flop or not? It should get a D at least

Personally speaking, and I actually offered a theory [not one I believed was remotely likely to occur, but offered it nonetheless] on how Persona 4 could advance, Persona 4 disappointed me. I expected it to get at least 15%. I didn't actually expect it to advance, or even place 3rd or anything, it's just that SFIV managed to do far worse than I ever could have imagined.

Persona 4 disappointed me, but SFIV just took disappointment to the next level, especially since I thought it would take second in that match.
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nintendogirl1 | Posted 5/8/2009 6:23:06 PM | message detail
From: charmander6000
Don't worry in round 3 RBY will flop so hard it will be sad.

Then we'll all blame it on SFF and adjust it based on nothing.


Awww yeah.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 5/8/2009 6:23:24 PM | message detail
I love this topic sometimes. First, everyone says Pokemon RBY will suck for whatever stupid reason they thought of. They were proven completely wrong. Now, you still refuse to realize how popular it is despite that fact.

RBY will beat MGS, even with GS in there, and will ride with OoT for a long while.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 5/8/2009 6:23:53 PM | message detail
Why would CoD4 be hurt in the poll more than Halo 3? That makes no sense. CoD4 was the stronger game there, if anything, Halo3 should have been hurt more. And Galaxy has nothing to do with anything, unless you think Galaxy somehow benefited Halo3

CoD4/Halo 3/Mario Galaxy

Which 2 games are highly played, casual FPS that sold mainly on the 360?

I have no idea what you're trying to say. SFF doesn't apply to non-contest polls?

FACT or FICTION: Grand Theft Auto 4 is the weakest GTA-game in the bracket.

Fiction. It is easily the strongest, and I have no idea where you got this from.

FACT or FICTION: Fallout 3 > Call of Duty 4.

Fiction. This is all Halo Bomb

FACT or FICTION: Halo > Halo 3 > Halo 2.

Right now I'd say Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo, but we'll know more next round.

FACT or FICTION: Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess > the winner of the 2007-2009 Division.

Tough to say who advances with TP (if TP advances at all) and who advances with Brawl between MGS/CoD/Fallout
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XxSoulxX | Posted 5/8/2009 6:24:05 PM | message detail
It crushed Majora's Mask for goodness sake.

Correction, it crushed Zelda.
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BDawg | Posted 5/8/2009 6:24:41 PM | message detail
It deserves some credit for beating Majora's Mask but the overall percentage is probably overblown with it being an all-Nintendo pack. I liken it to when Fox put up 40% or whatever on that all-Nintendo pack a couple of years ago.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/8/2009 6:24:48 PM | message detail
Call of Duty 4: After Half-Life 2 showed that there ARE some FPS games GameFAQs cares about, Call of Duty goes out and puts an exclamation mark on that statement. It beat the crap out of Galaxy from the very beginning, even during Nintendo's infamous board vote and Power Hour. Heck, it barely let Galaxy so much as cut it all day. Great performance.

Grade: A+

Pokemon Diamond/Pearl: This game put up some solid numbers despite Mario Galaxy's presences. There's no denying that these games have some very legitimate strength at this point. I'm just glad all three didn't advance!

Grade: B

Super Mario Galaxy: Open criticism is better than silent acclaim? I can't say I agree with that remark! Galaxy did well in the Game of the Century poll, got great reviews, all that stuff, and then people just...forgot about it. Which is very strange considering it's on a console where big hits are at a premium. This match was just proof of that. Call of Duty 4 goes from a 2007 GOTY loss to a 55/45 win here. Sure, you could blame LFF for the results of both matches (CoD4/Halo 3 and Galaxy/DP, respectively), but there's no doubt this game was a flop. We're starting to see just how much the GameFAQs fanbase has turned against the Wii. They still love Nintendo, but their respect for the Wii is fading fast. The most baffling thing about this match is that Galaxy dropped nearly 4% from the DSV to the ASV here.

Grade: D-

Team Fortress 2: Oh hey, there was a fourth game in this match?

Grade: F
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 5/8/2009 6:25:11 PM | message detail
Also, I'm loving most of the pics we've seen so far.

Ninja Gaiden's is disappointing though.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/8/2009 6:25:25 PM | message detail
It crushed Majora's Mask for goodness sake.

And Melee crushed Wind Waker. Who cares about Wind Waker? Melee is overrated confirmed.

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The n00b Avenger | Posted 5/8/2009 6:26:08 PM | message detail

From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #080
CoD4/Halo 3/Mario Galaxy

Which 2 games are highly played, casual FPS that sold mainly on the 360?

I have no idea what you're trying to say. SFF doesn't apply to non-contest polls?


The point is that I was drawing a comparison to CoD4's performance in comparison to Halo 3, while completely ignoring Galaxy. Them being similiar would affect their performance relative to Galaxy, sure, but I see no reason why that would effect their performance relative to each other.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/8/2009 6:26:20 PM | message detail
darn right

FFX > Melee
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XxSoulxX | Posted 5/8/2009 6:26:20 PM | message detail
It deserves some credit for beating Majora's Mask but the overall percentage is probably overblown with it being an all-Nintendo pack. I liken it to when Fox put up 40% or whatever on that all-Nintendo pack a couple of years ago.

Big difference between Fox and Pokemon R/B/Y.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/8/2009 6:26:51 PM | message detail
Besides since when is MGS the pinnacle of strength? Didn't MK64 out do it against FFVII?

>_>

MK64 for Top 10!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/8/2009 6:27:21 PM | message detail
MK64 for Top 10!

Here's a bandwagon I can get behind!
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ZFS | Posted 5/8/2009 6:27:35 PM | message detail
Pokemon's definitely being overrated by some people in here, but no one's going to listen when the game is beat is ZELDA. It's going to take people a while to get over this, or at least until we see its match in round 2 where it'll come back to earth.

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creativename | Posted 5/8/2009 6:28:09 PM | message detail
First, everyone says Pokemon RBY will suck for whatever stupid reason they thought of. They were proven completely wrong.

I certainly was never "proven wrong" on RBY, I never said a damn thing about it going into that match. Most likely the people that were "proven wrong" compose part of the group that's overestimating it right now.

RBY will beat MGS, even with GS in there, and will ride with OoT for a long while.

I smell a 1-week sig bet.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/8/2009 6:28:54 PM | message detail
I don't see how RBY can 'come back down to earth' when GSC got dangerously close to MGS. Whatever happens in its match, pretty much everyone knows who would win in a RBY vs. MGS 1 on 1 matchup.

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charmander6000 | Posted 5/8/2009 6:29:06 PM | message detail
Pokemon's definitely being overrated by some people in here, but no one's going to listen when the game is beat is ZELDA. It's going to take people a while to get over this, or at least until we see its match in round 2 where it'll come back to earth.

You're going to have to wait until round 3, there's a Pokemon in the way.
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xp1337 | Posted 5/8/2009 6:30:04 PM | message detail
And Melee crushed Wind Waker. Who cares about Wind Waker? Melee is overrated confirmed.

And Disgaea was putting up 37.31% on WW. WW = near-fodder confirmed. SSBM only a midcarder confirmed.
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ZFS | Posted 5/8/2009 6:30:07 PM | message detail
I wouldn't doubt that RBY beats MGS 1v1, but MGS isn't a top 10 game by any means.

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nintendogirl1 | Posted 5/8/2009 6:30:50 PM | message detail
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You're going to have to wait until round 3, there's a Pokemon in the way.

And then more ZELDA.

But if it beats or even comes close to MGS in either of those matches it's set IMO.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/8/2009 6:31:00 PM | message detail
BioShock: I think this game is about the most consistent thing we've ever seen in these contests. It stayed in the 22% range the whole match except for like 2 or 3 updates when it fell to 21.99% or something like that. It still stayed within a 1% range the entire match. Too bad I needed you to move up more than that so I could get points! Argh.

Grade: C

LittleBigPlanet: lol charmander

Grade: F

Metal Gear Solid 4: After Portal's amazing board vote, I was calling MGS4's performance a disappointment. Once all that died off and everything stabilized, I think MGS4's performance here was pretty good. It basically did what it needed to in order to show that it was ready for that rematch with Brawl.

Grade: B+

Portal: I think I need to get around to playing this game sometime.

Grade: B
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/8/2009 6:32:15 PM | message detail
I thought RBY > FFVI was a popular opinion in this topic- up until creativename did there, I don't recall seeing anyone say it isn't a top 10 game since the day of GSC's match.
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ZFS | Posted 5/8/2009 6:33:09 PM | message detail
And I do think RBY is a top 10 game, or close to it at least. But this talk about it being a top 5 game guaranteed is a bunch of nonsense -- that's overrating it hard based no next to nothing. The most anyone should be willing to take it right now is like a 9-10 spot until we see it again.

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