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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 708

UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/8/2009 12:33:52 AM | message detail
How would YOU survive the zombie apocalypse?



~*creativename's contest site (all things contest!)*~
www.gamefaqscontests.com

~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/

~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~
http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/
http://thengamer.com/xstats
http://thengamer.com/stats

~*Character Contest Histories (Thanks to Raven 2 for the info transfer)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Contest_Histories

~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

~*All the match pics*~
http://sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php

~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages

~*Say What? Some Common Stat Topic Lingo Defined*~

SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote, because the Zelda fanbase so clearly sided with him. However, take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make total sense. This has caused a few SFF jokes, with LordOfDabu's "Some Frivolous Factor" being the funniest of them.

X-Stats - Short form of Extrapolated Statistics, aka the mathematical "strength" of a contestant that can be determined based on their performance in any given matchup. See above for a detailed explanation of the x-stat process.

LFF (Leech Fanbase Factor) - A common issue in four-way polls, where two entrants of the same fanbase leech one another's strength and make each other weaker. This is the main factor currently discussed in stat topics, since four-ways look like they're here to stay. The earliest example we have of this is Arthas/Diablo leeching each other half to death and letting KOS-MOS sneak into second place back in 2007. SFF still happens now and again, but LFF is just as huge these days.

Last Place Factor - A huge issue in four-way contests where an entrant having no expected chance to advance in the poll does far worse than past strength dictates. A lot of these entrants are naturally weak, but a lot of things come along that make little to no sense. A great example is Zero -- he scored 47% on Crono and won several updates, then one round later he gets disproportionally blown out once Link enters the picture. This factor also works in reverse, when an obvious first place game does worse than expected thanks to smart voters helping a game come in second place. The final of 2008 is a good example of this, where Snake stayed even with Link until the day vote and ultimately defeated Cloud. (Credit to red sox 777 and Leonhart4 for the examples)

For other information, surf the contest sites a bit. They have everything.

Hochi's League of Excellence™

Hochiminh
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Karma Hunter
Kleenex
Leonhart
Ultimaterializer
ZFS
Lopen
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AnagramC | Posted 5/8/2009 12:35:50 AM | message detail
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ffmasterjose | Posted 5/8/2009 1:43:26 AM | message detail
Does one of the few people who actually out-predicted the great Hoch not deserve an honorable mention in this league?

What's that? The rest of my bracket sucks? Shhhhh. Don't say that so loudly!

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greatone10 | Posted 5/8/2009 3:10:47 AM | message detail
Hochi's League of Excellence, more like Hochi's Load of Excrement.
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Donkey Kong Country 2's path to Best Game Ever '09.
Not even 10%? What is wrong with you people? At least SMRPG and Goldeneye moved on.
Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 5/8/2009 3:41:17 AM | message detail
How would YOU survive the zombie apocalypse?


Prolly same plan as Grif.
LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/8/2009 3:44:06 AM | message detail
Tomorrow's match, in a nutshell.

Prediction: Tetris > Mega Man 2
Bracket: Mega Man 2 > Tetris
Favorites: Tetris > Mega Man 2
Favorites Bracket: Tetris > Mega Man 2
Younger Brother's Favorites: Donkey Kong > Tetris
transients | Posted 5/8/2009 4:44:23 PM | message detail
Round 1 Winners and Losers

STAR OF THE ROUND: Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow
- Usually when I choose a star for the round, there's some debate. There are a few games or characters that overperform based on expectations
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everyone's got a different opinion.

But there is absolutely no debate here. Pokemon RBY went from being a slight bracket underdog to a 26,352 vote win. Pokemon RBY scored 64% on Majora's Mask directly. (For reference, FF7 is expected to get 63% on Wind Waker based on 2004 stats.) We've long talked about a Super Six -- Final Fantasy VII, Ocarina of Time, Chrono Trigger, Link to the Past, Mario 3, and Super Smash Bros. Melee. They were the final 4 of the 2004 contest and the two games that came closest on Chrono Trigger. They were the top 6 games on The List. They're assumed to still be the six strongest games today -- basically, they're the games version of the Noble Nine.

And Pokemon RBY is threatening to break down that wall.


Other Winners:

Final Fantasy VIII
- Say what you want about how overrated Starcraft is. I won't disagree with you. But FF8 took its long-awaited contest debut and put up *huge* numbers on a pretty decent round 1 setup. There was a lot of talk about FF8 being a black sheep of the series, how it's past its contest prime, how FF10 and FF6 are bigger than it -- FF8 put up the most impressive Square performance, which is saying something considering how Square has looked so far.

Super Mario Bros. - This game had awful competition - Duck Hunt, Ninja Gaiden, and uhhh some other ancient game. But even so, 70% is no joke. Mario 1 showed that it's a legit game and has a huge little mini-rivalry set up with Zelda 1 for the next two rounds.

Call of Duty 4 - Doom bombed. Then Half-Life bombed. Then Halo bombed. At that point it was pretty much assumed that Call of Duty 4 would suffer the same fate, and given how Pokemon looked it was expected to be a heated battle for second.

Then Call of Duty 4 went "I do not give a **** what your stupid trends say". COD4 went from losing bigtime to Galaxy in the 2007 GOTY poll to winning with 56%. Galaxy may have laid an egg but let's give COD4 some credit -- with Brawl and Galaxy in the same poll in round 2, it has to be the favourite for first place and a dark horse to advance even further after its impressive round 1 performance.

Tetris - 54% on three fairly well-known games. Sure, this pack sucked as far as strength goes. But it takes a certain level of fandom to achieve 54% in a fourway poll.

The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening - Pre-contest, many said that Link's Awakening beating the top Mega Man and Sonic games was a joke. Pre-match, people yelled ZELDA and mocked the voters for franchise voting a handheld title en masse.

But after seeing Majora's Mask and Wind Waker do not-so-well, Link's Awakening has gotten its props: it's a legit Zelda game. 45% on FF6 is really good, and the "lol handheld" argument has been blasted out of the water. Link's Awakening is legit, looks to be a round 2 lock over Sonic and may be able to siphon enough votes off of LTTP to let FF6 advance. Not bad.

Old Games With a Name - When it comes to old generations, it's franchise voting zone. Metroid smashes Contra despite Zelda 1 being in the poll. Donkey Kong beats Punch-Out. (seriously, what?) Mario and Zelda put up insane percentages. FF1 would have done the same if it got the chance to do so. For the first 2 divisions, it wasn't Best. Game. Ever. but rather Best. Name. Ever.
transients | Posted 5/8/2009 4:44:36 PM | message detail
Mario Kart - Mario Kart never does what we expect it to. In 2006, the argument was that Mario Kart had the quality while Mega Man had the quantity. Mario Kart 64 was argued to be stronger than any MM game, and SMK probably was too. Mega Man said "yeah, I don't care" and crushed Mario Kart.

But it turns out we were right. Super Mario Kart went head to head with Super Metroid when it was generally thought that it would get a decent third. Mario Kart 64 actually outperformed Metal Gear Solid on FF7. With better placement, Mario Kart could have been a dark horse to go really far; alas, we have silly things like generational brackets.

Pokemon Gold/Silver - Pokemon's huge boost over the last five years may end up being its downfall: Gold/Silver rocked Final Fantasy Tactics and outright won the day vote over Metal Gear Solid, a game often thought of as a top 10 game on this site. This game has come a long damn way from getting waxed by Xenogears - nobody's going to argue Xenogears over Final Fantasy Tactics. Now we just have to see if Gold/Silver is strong enough to stand up to RBY and ruin Pokemon's chances of going deep.

"Progenitors" - It's probably a coincidence, but the first entries of many classic series' have done wonderful in this contest. Sonic 1 was the only Sonic title to look good. Donkey Kong Country looked much better than DKC2. Mario 1 and Zelda 1 did great as well. Are people voting for the first game in the series based on respect? It's doubtful. But it's also a trend we saw in round 1.

Kingdom Hearts / Kingdom Hearts 2 - I don't think Kingdom Hearts 1 really did all that great. It had clearly improved since its flop in 2004, but that was expected. It was more the other games bombing than anything involving KH1.

But KH2.. man, what can you say? It came within a few hundred votes of beating Resident Evil 4. We're gonna need to see what it can do against Twilight Princess next round to really verify it, but KH2 looked much stronger than KH1. Suddenly, the huge Sora / Riku boost makes sense.

Mario 64 - We've doubted this game for years. Quadrupled by Ocarina of Time, fairly low on any "favorite Mario title?" poll, a relatively disappointing 13th on The List thanks to high expectations. And just when you drop the big expectations for Mario 64, it goes and does this - 45% against some fairly decent competition. If you believe FF7 will hinder Chrono Trigger in round 3, you can get behind this game advancing.

Chrono Trigger - I have always assumed Chrono Trigger to have a ceiling. It is very popular, but not universally known like a FF7 or a Zelda or a Mario. CT's fanbase is loyal and rabid, but not universal.

I never thought Crono would be able to break 80-85% on weak opponents unless they were just unknown and looked stupid. I never thought CT could break 50% on well-known games either. But CT went and outdid LTTP's percentage despite every sign over the last three years telling us that CT was on the downswing.

Nice job, CT. Maybe that DS port helped you out and you're not dead quite yet.

Tales of Symphonia - One last shout-out for a feel-good story. Tales has long been the whipping boy of our contests. Its characters suck and the second-tier ones that inexplicably get in suck more. But put it in a poll with three "mature" games like GTA, God of War and Oblivion and the cutesy, simple, happy-go-lucky RPG does great things.
transients | Posted 5/8/2009 4:45:26 PM | message detail
TURD OF THE ROUND: Super Mario Galaxy - I had my turd of the round all set up until we saw this bomb. Mario Galaxy is the highest reviewed Mario game of all time. It is one of the few large Wii titles. It handily won GOTY en route to almost beating out Twilight Princess. It was in the argument for strongest Wii game.

What we got was the clearest sign that this site has shifted away from Nintendo yet. Mario is love to this website. You saw it when Mario 3 got some 80% updates. You saw it when Mario 64 doubled Symphony of the Night. You saw it when Mario 1 got 70% of the vote. A beloved Mario title losing handily to a shooter is a travesty to all the NintendoFAQs jokes we've made over the years. This was a bomb, a big one.

Mega Man 2 - Tetris got 54%. Mario 1 got 70%. Zelda 1 got 60%. Well-known NES games were just slaughtering the competition.

Mega Man 2 got 35%.

Mega Man had been hyped for years. Snubbed from the 2004 game contest and the drop-down list in 2005, we were never able to get a read on one of our Noble Nine's games. This is why - Mega Man 2 got 56% on Pac-Man.

Metroid 1 got 68% in 2004. And Metroid 1 is generally agreed to be a disaster.

Mega Man's decline over the past few years not only made sense, it made us wonder how it didn't happen faster. Mega Man just doesn't have the name recognition to the average voter that other big series' have. You could blame the picture, but really, people are going to vote for Pac-Man, Pong and Oregon Trail based on a picture?

Metroid Prime - Metroid 1 did pretty good, beating Contra handily. Super Metroid managed to hold off Super Mario Kart and rocked Sonic 3. Metroid Prime has long been thought to be the strongest of the series.

whoops

Yoshi's Island - Mario games were really up and down. Some did great and some just did bad. This is one of the bad ones - a mere 30% on Chrono Trigger despite there being three RPGs in the poll. The Mario name was supposed to carry Yoshi's Island to an easy second place. It scored second place easily but only because Earthbound did awful.

Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, Goldeneye 007, Perfect Dark - There was a time when we argued about Ocarina of Time / Goldeneye SFF. The conventional wisdom at the time was that Goldeneye avoided it since it outdid Mario 64's percentage.

Then The List happened. Goldeneye, Perfect Dark and SOTN all did great, better than expected. Goldeneye looked awesome in every poll since then so it was assumed that something weird happened in that match. But with Goldeneye's relative bomb (it was supposed to be competing with Mario 64, not Mario RPG), SOTN getting rocked by Mario 64 and Perfect Dark getting Pokemon'd, the Game Contest wins this argument: these three games are mid-tier, not strong entities.


Simcity / Tecmo Super Bowl / Secret of Monkey Island - one of these games won a contest match.

Street Fighter - I don't think of Street Fighter as being as big of a bomb as others do. It has always been overrated by people for its historical significance - it really isn't all that much different to regular fighters for most people here. Once we saw that franchise voting was running rampant in old games, it was clear that SF2 was going to lose to Sonic. Even Street Fighter 4's relative bomb was predicted by it sucking in every poll we've ever seen it in.

But it still sucked. Let's not lose sight of that fact. Sometimes I wonder how Ryu is even popular.
transients | Posted 5/8/2009 4:45:49 PM | message detail
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas - If you gauge GTA by its 2004 polls and its GOTY performances, all GTA games bombed. They've dropped heavily over the years for whatever reason.

But there's one in particular that managed to bomb worse than we expected it to be able to bomb: San Andreas. Thought for sure to be the strongest GTA, San Andreas managed to lose to a Tales title along with every other game in the poll. It was never even in contention. San Andreas doesn't even look like the strongest GTA title any more. It's one thing for your series to bomb, but SA actually went and lowered the bar. Congrats.

Starcraft - How overrated was it? We all know it was somewhat overrated. But this? Getting slaughtered by FF8? After it was equal to FF10 in the last contest? Really? Time hasn't been kind to Blizzard. All of its games disappointed somewhat, but none had established a high standard like Starcraft. And it might have looked like the weakest of the three Blizzard games in round 1.

Final Fantasy 12 - At one point, it looked like New Square could do no wrong. FF7 went big. FF8 went bigger. FF9 rocked Half-Life. Hell, even Chrono Cross did well. Kingdom Hearts won big and KH2 did even better. At this point it was a lock - FF12 had to win because people would vote anything as long as Square made the damn thing.

And then FF12 reminded us that our voters aren't robots. They'll even abandon Square when they make a bad FF title.

Half-Life - Half-Life 2 did well. Portal did just as well if not better. Even Left 4 Dead did pretty well.

So what the hell happened to Half-Life? Here was one of the groundbreaking games that was supposed to have a pretty independent fanbase getting closer to Chrono Cross than FF9. It looks like that 44% on Metroid Prime wasn't worth all that much. Mostly because Metroid Prime wasn't worth that much! Speaking of which..

Majora's Mask / Wind Waker - It's tough to give all the credit to Pokemon. Some of the blame has to go to Majora, one of the worst Zelda games we've seen (or so it would seem). Wind Waker didn't do horribly, but it lost updates to Disgaea. I don't care how good your excuse is, that's not something to put on your contest resume. Wind Waker only getting 55% on Metroid Prime leads me to question if it was even SFF'd here.

Sonic 2 / 3 - Weaker than Sonic 1? Struggling with Mortal Kombat 2? Crushed by Super Metroid? Really?

Halo - One final note for a game that has fluctuated as much as any other game over the last five years. Hold this contest in 2007 and Halo is a legit title to be feared. Hold this contest in 2008 and it's hideously overestimated. Hold this contest in 2009 and it's just about right - nobody believes in it, but it still gets a footnote for how poorly it did. Halo 1 needed a big day vote to save its ass against something called Knights of the Old Republic. Halo 2 lost the lead to Okami. And Halo 3 had its hands full with something called Left 4 Dead. That's not what you'd expect from the best-selling FPS series of all time, now is it?
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 5/8/2009 4:46:37 PM | message detail
Needs more Secret of Mana on the winners list IMO
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transients | Posted 5/8/2009 4:47:12 PM | message detail
Secret of lost to MK2
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 5/8/2009 4:48:37 PM | message detail
No one expected it to pull 26%! Not even me !!
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transients | Posted 5/8/2009 4:51:07 PM | message detail
I don't think I considered any better-than-expected-but-still-lost games for winners. same goes for was-expected-to-lose-and-did-even-worse or anything like that. it just didn't matter enough.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/8/2009 4:52:17 PM | message detail
Out of curiosity, what was your previous Turd before SMG?

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 5/8/2009 4:52:38 PM | message detail
Mega Man 2 I'd assume.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 5/8/2009 4:56:58 PM | message detail
Nice pics Zen posted up in the last thread. I wonder if DK's TJF will carry him through? :p

Also, spectacular analysis by Tranny. I'm surprised there isn't any PoP in the "Turd" list. It's the biggest example of Turbofodder in the contest, I believe.
transients | Posted 5/8/2009 4:57:41 PM | message detail
yup, MM2.
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transients | Posted 5/8/2009 4:58:03 PM | message detail
and Prince of Persia had no real expectations. getting 4% or whatever instead of 7% really doesn't matter.

pretty bad show, though.
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xp1337 | Posted 5/8/2009 4:59:56 PM | message detail
A little surprised SMB3 isn't given a mention. I don't want to actually call its opponents "competition", but nearly 76% in a 4-way is ridiculous no matter what you're up against.

Although, I suppose you could say it was included under "Old Games with a Name"
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transients | Posted 5/8/2009 5:00:34 PM | message detail
I refuse to say anything positive about a match involving Simcity, Tecmo Super Bowl and Secret of Monkey Island.
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xp1337 | Posted 5/8/2009 5:01:14 PM | message detail
Fair enough.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/8/2009 5:02:37 PM | message detail
tranny, you really need to get over that match. It was no different from any 1 Seed 16 Seed slaughter we've seen in previous contests.

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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 5/8/2009 5:04:16 PM | message detail
Kamikaze is right. Didn't Snake get praised by his performance on Tanner, even while the latter became the ultimate "loser" entrant? SMB3 deserves the props.

Also, I stand by PoP really, REALLY sucking. less that 4% is Tanner-like levels, really.
Yesmar | Posted 5/8/2009 5:05:29 PM | message detail
Pokemon as a whole was the Star of the Round to me.

San Andreas and then Sonic 3 were the turds IMO.

Both of them lost matches they had absolutely NO excuse for losing. San Andreas was once GOTY. That's just pathetic.
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transients | Posted 5/8/2009 5:08:09 PM | message detail
Snake got praised for his performance on Tanner and responded with the worst year of his contest career.
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xp1337 | Posted 5/8/2009 5:08:25 PM | message detail
less that 4% is Tanner-like levels, really.

Honestly? No, it isn't. I think we've forgotten just how bad Tanner was. I think I'd take PoP to double Tanner indirectly.

I mean, I'm all for seeing something do worse than Tanner for the humor factor of it, but I've yet to see anything reach a level where it could be considered.
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ZFS | Posted 5/8/2009 5:09:00 PM | message detail
The thing about SMB3 is it didn't even do anything we didn't already expect to happen. It'll probably have the record for biggest blowout in a four-way competition, but everyone knew it would have that coming into the match.

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xp1337 | Posted 5/8/2009 5:12:00 PM | message detail
Which is why I'd never consider putting SMB3 as a major winner or anything, it's just that that kind of blowout, in my view, would deserve some kind of mention, however brief. I mean, horrid competition or not, it was pretty amusing to watch. (However I'd just as soon buy an argument that it was a disappointment and that SMB3 should have pushed for 80%!)
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/8/2009 5:16:55 PM | message detail
I think SMB3 should get props since I don't think games like FFVII or OoT would replicate it because at those percents anti-votes start making a difference.

Just how Tanner would be expected to perform better on Link or Cloud than Solid Snake.

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transients | Posted 5/8/2009 5:17:38 PM | message detail
I think you're right, but I don't think that makes it notable. that's just part of Mario 3's strength - high playership, lots of respect and very little hate. again, we already knew this coming in.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/8/2009 5:18:13 PM | message detail
But there is absolutely no debate here.

I'll debate it to the death!
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transients | Posted 5/8/2009 5:18:55 PM | message detail
FF8 freaks
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/8/2009 5:19:26 PM | message detail
I guess your right since SMB3 failing to set a new record would have been considered a terrible performance.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/8/2009 5:19:53 PM | message detail
I think SMB3 should get props since I don't think games like FFVII or OoT would replicate it because at those percents anti-votes start making a difference.

I agree with you in the sense that I do think Mario 3 is probably the least anti-voted game of the Super Six. Seriously, who hates this game? But at the same time, FFVII and OoT are so far above it in strength that it could easily replicate it even when being anti-voted.

And seriously, who's going to anti-vote FFVII or OoT with SimCity, Monkey Island, or Tecmo Super Bowl?
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/8/2009 5:20:09 PM | message detail
I agree with Leon, but let's not get started again...

>_>
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transients | Posted 5/8/2009 5:20:34 PM | message detail
more people than you know.

though FF7 would be more of an antivote magnet than OOT would.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/8/2009 5:20:55 PM | message detail
About FFVIII not his other post, though it is a good point.
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transients | Posted 5/8/2009 5:26:13 PM | message detail
well, FF8 went from being a slight underdog to a 10 point win. RBY went from a slight underdog to a 20 point win.

I can buy people arguing FF8 being one of the most impressive but I wouldn't put it above RBY.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/8/2009 5:29:55 PM | message detail
2004-2006 GRADES

God of War: I'm not sure if God of War did well or not, to tell the truth. A lot of people picked it to advance in their brackets, but mostly because this pack was weak. It came close to winning, but for some reason, the ASV just didn't come through for it. And to think, Mario Kart DS might have won this fourpack outright.

Grade: C-

Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas: We all knew that the Grand Theft Auto games weren't that strong, but to get dead last in THIS fourpack is nothing short of pathetic. And it was never in contention for so much as third place, to boot. We thought it was potentially the strongest GTA game, but now many people are touting it as the weakest. How in the world did this game get 11th place on The List again? If this game isn't the final nail in the List's coffin, I don't know what is.

Grade: F

Tales of Symphonia: One of the feel-good Board 8 stories of round 1 was this game. The stats topic hadn't been shouting random quotes like that since Bison destroyed Albedo in the Villains Contest. Everyone thought it was as good as dead when it went into the ASV behind God of War, but it somehow came back and won the match. Great stuff. And remember: DWARVEN VOW #7: JUSTICE AND LOVE WILL ALWAYS WIN!

Grade: A

Oblivion: After Morrowind did better than expected, Oblivion advancing wasn't really that much of a surprise. It won with relative ease here, beating Tales of Symphonia by 2000 votes. Of course, you can also look at the flipside and say it ONLY beat ToS by 2000 votes if you're one of those ToS naysayers. We'll find out next round just how legit these two games are.

Grade: B+
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/8/2009 5:34:40 PM | message detail
Halo 2: The only Halo game not to advance, and possibly the most disappointing. It lost the lead to Okami overnight and failed to mount any sort of comeback on World of Warcraft during the day. You can seriously take nothing good out of this performance other than maybe the fact that it didn't finish dead last.

Grade: F

Metal Gear Solid 3: A good performance, though not a great one. This performance did seem to validate our belief in MGS3 > MGS2, and after San Andreas bombed, it looks good to cruise to first place next round as well.

Grade: B+

Okami: This game has legit strength on GameFAQs for whatever the reason. Ammy proved it for two straight years in the Character Battle, and now Okami comes out and puts up respectable numbers on games that are much more well-known than it is. It even took the lead on Halo 2 overnight for a short time. Solid performance for a last place game!

Grade: C+

World of Warcraft: Well, it beat Halo 2 but came nowhere near MGS3. The people who have it advancing to round 3 feel good about it, but those who for whatever the reason have it going to the finals don't (except Albion, but what can you do?).

Grade: C
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MnMZero | Posted 5/8/2009 5:37:15 PM | message detail
I'm starting to disagree with other people's thoughts about the 1st round so much that I might as well do my own grading!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/8/2009 5:38:15 PM | message detail
That's what the grades are all about! They're just opinions for everyone else to disagree with!
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/8/2009 5:38:42 PM | message detail
Less first round stuff. More second round stuff.
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HaRRicH | Posted 5/8/2009 5:43:40 PM | message detail
My Donkey Kong pic was used! My first accepted match pic...nice; today just got even better. Whoever said the logo was hard to read on it: I agree, and logo-work isn't something I excel at (I used MSPaint, it's expected). That said, I don't think it's unreadable and people who have ever played DK will definitely recognize it's DK anyway. Hopefully I'm not the only one like that.


We're at the end of the last division!

FACT or FICTION: Grand Theft Auto 4 is the weakest GTA-game in the bracket.
FACT or FICTION: Fallout 3 > Call of Duty 4.
FACT or FICTION: Halo > Halo 3 > Halo 2.
FACT or FICTION: Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess > the winner of the 2007-2009 Division.
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Shorthand, do you speak it?!
charmander6000 | Posted 5/8/2009 5:43:47 PM | message detail
Second round won't start for a couple more hours...

*spoilers*

Tetris > MM2 seems very likely.
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Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls
BGE2 - Today's Match: Fallout 3 > Halo 3 Points: 89/124
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/8/2009 5:44:49 PM | message detail
Gears of War: XGSEDYWMIHTF

Grade: F

Kingdom Hearts II: Wow, hard to believe that this was the game that lost to FFXII in the 2006 PS2 GOTY poll. The strange thing is that most games released at the end of a console's lifespan aren't very strong (such as...FFXII), but KHII went toe-to-toe with RE4 all day, a game many of us thought had top 10-15 strength. Maybe it still does, which would make KHII's performance even MORE impressive. KHII was a round 2 afterthought, but now it's got a great chance of getting to round 3 with FFXII out of the way.

Grade: A+

Resident Evil 4: Man, I'd hate to be someone who's got this game going to the finals! Seriously though, this was a pretty disappointing performance for RE4. Even someone like HM didn't have KHII doing this well on it. Like I said before, maybe KHII is just that strong, but I doubt it. Next round should tell us a lot.

Grade: C-

Shadow of the Colossus: It beat Gears of War by 5% and nearly scored 20% in a poll with KHII and RE4. That's pretty good. It seems that this game has a niche fanbase here on GameFAQs. Quick: Okami or SotC, who you got? (Note: If you say Okami, you're basically admitting MGS3 > RE4/KHII).

Grade: C
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/8/2009 5:45:15 PM | message detail
FACT: Grand Theft Auto 4 is the weakest GTA-game in the bracket.
FACT: Fallout 3 > Call of Duty 4.
FACT: Halo > Halo 3 > Halo 2.
FACT: Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess > the winner of the 2007-2009 Division.

Though Resident Evil 4 will be above TP and SSBB.
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Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls
BGE2 - Today's Match: Fallout 3 > Halo 3 Points: 89/124
nintendogirl1 | Posted 5/8/2009 5:53:10 PM | message detail
FACT Grand Theft Auto 4 is the weakest GTA-game in the bracket.
FACT: Fallout 3 > Call of Duty 4.
FACT: Halo > Halo 3 > Halo 2.
FICTION: Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess > the winner of the 2007-2009 Division.

Since Brawl is going to be there as well, MGS4 > TP
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