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Oops, I meant the other way around >_>
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Yep, Halo's ASV is so beastly that it's going to go from 42% to 58%, just you watch! As for Portal.....um.....I hear it has a killer 4th night vote, the one that's the same as the second night vote of the day after the match!
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And what evidence do we have based on this contest that 4 is the weakest?

Actually, scratch that. Got SA and 4 mixed up. 4 > SA, but there's no way 4 is near VC.
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I figure all the GTAs are within the same general range. I don't expect much difference between them in terms of strength.
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I have just heard from one good Mr. Ridley that today is the Transformers 25th anniversary


Clearly, Chief is benefiting from the Transformers vote.

Portal probably is about equal to Halo 3.
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I don't see how GTA3 being easily taken out by Kotor is better then GTA4 putting up 35% against Brawl.

You can argue VC/4 for strongest, but GTA3 and SA are without doubt the two weakest.
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"I figure all the GTAs are within the same general range. I don't expect much difference between them in terms of strength."

Even after SA's total bomb? I don't see VC losing so badly when put in the same situation, unless there was some REALLY wacky SFF/LFF that you could apply between SA and GoW/Oblivion. Just like any other series, the GTA games have a wider range than what you think they have.

Stars and Turds of Round 1: Overall

Star of the Round: Final Fantasy VIII
Destroying Starcraft was really that impressive. Sure it was expected that Starcraft would be a bit weaker than what it was in 2004, but even Final Fantasy VIII supporters weren’t expecting this. Final Fantasy VIII was rarely spoken about for games that could place in the division finals yet now it seems odd to exclude it. Final Fantasy VIII has Final Fantasy IX next round, but despite that it is still the favourite at defeating Starcraft.

Runner-Up 1: Star Wars: KotOR
Again the previous contest was less than a year after KotOR was released and people were still talking about the game. Five years later and it seems like it was as strong as it was in 2004, now that’s aging well. It’s a shame that it was given the worst opponent in the division. Had KotOR been in any of the other three matches we could have seen an upset.

Runner-Up 2: Pokemon G/S
I told you the 98-00 division was stacked with impressive performances. While calls for RBY to be a top 10 game were made in its match some people were worried that an all-Nintendo match could have inflated RBY’s strength. After GS’s performance there was little argument against Pokemon’s strength. If only MGS/GS/FFT/DE traded with FFVIII/SC/SC/Xenogears so we could have avoided two Pokemon games going against each other in round 2.

Turd of the Round: GTA: San Andreas
San Andreas losing a match was possible, San Andreas not placing was unlikely, but still possible, San Andreas losing to all three games is just plain sad. Many thought San Andreas was the strongest Grand Theft Auto game, though now it is going to have to rely on Oblivion or Tales of Symphonia to upset World of Warcraft in order to look better, both of which are highly unlikely.

Runner-Up 1: Street Fighter II
You lost to Sonic 1, while that could have been fine both Sonic 2 and 3 both did terribly in their own matches which makes Street Fighter II look even worse than it was. Street Fighter II almost let Sonic 1 put Super Mario RPG percents on it. To add some insult to injury unless Sonic 1 is equal to Sonic 2 Mortal Kombat II is a stronger game as both games had about an equal performance against the two Sonic games.

Runner-Up 2: Mega Man 2
So I was writing the analysis for the next match and I find it very unlikely that Mega Man 2 can win after its performance in round 1. Not only did it get a terrible percent it was unable to SFF Pac-Man or Pong, something that is needed in order to defeat Tetris. Even Metroid was able to SFF Pac-Man and Tetris was able to hold up better against The Legend of Zelda in 2004. Mega Man 2 better hope the picture factor is bigger than what I give credit for.

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BGE2 - Today's Match: Fallout 3 > Halo 3 Points: 89/124

I think tonight we're gonna see the first proof of pic factor in a game contest really mattering.
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RBY not in the top 3 is insane.
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How about this Portal or Left 4 Dead? Since they are closer in percent.
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RBY not in the top 3 is insane.

RBY was impressive, but we had no idea whether it was an over performance in an all-Nintendo pack until GS came along.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: Fallout 3 > Halo 3 Points: 89/124

From: charmander6000
How about this Portal or Left 4 Dead? Since they are closer in percent.

Portal wins. No question.
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That was easy.

Halo 3 just tied Fallout 3 that last update even though its about 12% under it.

Damn Halo 3 has a good asv
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RBY was impressive, but we had no idea whether it was an over performance in an all-Nintendo pack until GS came along.

GS pretty much proved RBY's worth. very few are going to argue GS > RBY, so even if you somehow throw out the biggest overperformance in Oracle four-way history you've got GS saying "yeah, Pokemon is kicking ass and taking names."
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Portal wins. No question.

So why is anyone arguing Fallout 3 > MGS4?
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BGE2 - Today's Match: Fallout 3 > Halo 3 Points: 89/124

Fallout 3 excels in lower percentages. I think it'll be closer to MGS4 then most people expect. I don't think it'll win, but it might be a 52-48% match.
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So why is anyone arguing Fallout 3 > MGS4?

cause it's one of Albion's favourite games.
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GS pretty much proved RBY's worth. very few are going to argue GS > RBY, so even if you somehow throw out the biggest overperformance in Oracle four-way history you've got GS saying "yeah, Pokemon is kicking ass and taking names."

Yes GS proved RBY's worth, not RBY. If GS never existed I would have hesitate giving RBY a top 3 most impressive.
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which is why you get baseless arguments like "Fallout 3 excels in lower percentages" since, y'know, MGS4 already proved it's better at this.
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Yes GS proved RBY's worth, not RBY. If GS never existed I would have hesitate giving RBY a top 3 most impressive.

I couldn't disagree more. G/S beating FFT was always a possibility. RBY winning by 20% wasn't.
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3364&region=US

At least MGS4 vs. Fallout 3 should be a toss up in US!
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RBY's closest competition was a completely untested game. G/S gave a struggle to Metal Gear Solid. It's hard to call one more informative. Though together they certainly tell a tale
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yeah I gotta go with tranny here. what rby did was just ****ing bonkers.

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Fallout 3 excels in lower percentages. I think it'll be closer to MGS4 then most people expect. I don't think it'll win, but it might be a 52-48% match.

Why would you think Fallout 3 performs better at lower percents?

Game of the Year
MGS4 | 50.00%
SSBB | 48.83%
FO3 | 46.33%

Game of the Year (Final)
SSBB | 50.00%
MGS4 | 48.35%
FO3 | 45.83%

It did better against MGS4 when you removed all those game and it gained 10% in the process.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: Fallout 3 > Halo 3 Points: 89/124

From: charmander6000
If GS never existed I would have hesitate giving RBY a top 3 most impressive.

Did you miss the match or something? For a start while it's easy to forget in hindsight, RBY winning in the first place was an upset, 62% of the guru had MM winning. Whether or not it SFFed MM or not, it destroyed it's 4pack and is easily for me the most impressive performance of the round.
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Does anyone think that G/S get a boost with the remakes being announced?
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Again for all we could have known RBY's four-pack was complete fodder GS cut 600 votes during the ASV despite being behind by 6400 votes.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: Fallout 3 > Halo 3 Points: 89/124

From: charmander6000 | #426
Fallout 3 excels in lower percentages. I think it'll be closer to MGS4 then most people expect. I don't think it'll win, but it might be a 52-48% match.

Why would you think Fallout 3 performs better at lower percents?

Game of the Year
MGS4 | 50.00%
SSBB | 48.83%
FO3 | 46.33%

Game of the Year (Final)
SSBB | 50.00%
MGS4 | 48.35%
FO3 | 45.83%

It did better against MGS4 when you removed all those game and it gained 10% in the process.

Because its the type of game thats not going to blow out its competition because Gamefaqs isn't ready for Xbox or American games being top tier games yet, like getting 50% against anything. But once you get to the point that we are dealing with 30-35%, it can hold its own fine.
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Does anyone think that G/S get a boost with the remakes being announced?

All Pokemon games will get a very minuscule boost.
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RBY was far more impressive than GS, but GS did validate that RBY's performance was not just a case of SFF gone berserk.

In retrospect (not entirely in retrospect as I did say FFVI was RBY's ceiling the day before the match....now it'd probably be the floor in most people's minds), RBY is an excellent case of an ensemble cast, so it makes sense that it'd be way stronger than its characters.
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I still think RBY is in the top 5 in impressive performances if it makes things better.
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it doesn't and you should feel terrible.
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Again for all we could have known RBY's four-pack was complete fodder GS cut 600 votes during the ASV despite being behind by 6400 votes.

Stop saying this - you're talking about trends, not strength. G/S would have been more impressive if it had only lost by 3000 votes, even if it didn't cut once. The 47% is what G/S is hanging its hat on.
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Because its the type of game thats not going to blow out its competition because Gamefaqs isn't ready for Xbox or American games being top tier games yet, like getting 50% against anything. But once you get to the point that we are dealing with 30-35%, it can hold its own fine.

Well it worked with those percents in the GotY so I don't see why it would be any different next round unless you think Halo 3 and Portal affect MGS4 more.
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Because its the type of game thats not going to blow out its competition because Gamefaqs isn't ready for Xbox or American games being top tier games yet, like getting 50% against anything. But once you get to the point that we are dealing with 30-35%, it can hold its own fine.

.....lol hardcore fanbase theory? And Fallout 3 would break 50% against perhaps 2/3 or more of the field.
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I don't think Halo 3 and Portal will really hurt either game. Its a FPS and puzzle game, versus a stealth and RPG game.
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Again for all we could have known RBY's four-pack was complete fodder

Except Majora's Mask was never going to be fodder and you know it.
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From: red sox 777 | #437
Because its the type of game thats not going to blow out its competition because Gamefaqs isn't ready for Xbox or American games being top tier games yet, like getting 50% against anything. But once you get to the point that we are dealing with 30-35%, it can hold its own fine.

.....lol hardcore fanbase theory? And Fallout 3 would break 50% against perhaps 2/3 or more of the field.

No it wouldn't. Its a WRPG on Xbox 360. It doesn't have the playership on the site to do that.
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Stop saying this - you're talking about trends, not strength. G/S would have been more impressive if it had only lost by 3000 votes, even if it didn't cut once. The 47% is what G/S is hanging its hat on.

Something being impressive is something you didn't expect. Even Halo would have a hard time consistently cutting while being behind so many votes. RBY was impressive, but if it wasn't for GS for an entire round I would be think, what if RBY isn't that strong. There's a reason why I compared RBY to Fox in 2007.
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Fallout 3's doing good here. Not "look out MGS4" good, but "make it to the division finals and lose respectably to Brawl and MGS4" good.
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Y'know, the hardcore fanbase theory actually was validated in the 2k8 GotY polls, as much as certain people here would like to forget that ever happened. Adding options, regardless of the actual system/genre overlap, helped MGS4 against Brawl every time.
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I just wish that Galaxy didn't bomb so much to give FO3 hope of making round 4.
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No it wouldn't. Its a WRPG on Xbox 360. It doesn't have the playership on the site to do that.

Playrate doesn't make a difference in this sense. You're assuming a monolithic voting base, which SSBB vs. MGS4 (1 vs. 1) disproved.
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Something being impressive is something you didn't expect. Even Halo would have a hard time consistently cutting while being behind so many votes. RBY was impressive, but if it wasn't for GS for an entire round I would be think, what if RBY isn't that strong. There's a reason why I compared RBY to Fox in 2007.

...yeah, we're done here.
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All right, for the first round, I've compiled a list of the best and worst board votes. The percentages are the difference between their percentage at the end of the board vote and the final percentage of the match.

Top 10 Board Votes

1. Phoenix Wright: +5.89%
2. Super Mario World: +5.83%
3. Oregon Trail: +5.61%
4. Duck Hunt: +5.25%
5. Star Fox 64: +5.09%
6. Metroid Prime: +4.77%
7. Portal: +4.16%
8. Donkey Kong Country: +3.89%
9. Tales of Symphonia: +3.82%
10. Kirby Super Star: +3.65%

Other games with more than a 3% difference are MGS2, StarCraft, Mario Kart 64, and SSBM.

Bottom 10 Board Votes

1. Final Fantasy VII: -7.48%
2. Super Mario Bros.: -6.96%
3. Chrono Trigger: -5.24%
4. The Legend of Zelda: -5.02%
5. A Link to the Past: -4.40%
6. Final Fantasy VIII: -4.23%
7. Kingdom Hearts: -3.56%
8. Resident Evil: -3.53%
9. Final Fantasy XII: -3.41%
10. Grand Theft Auto IV: -3.41%

Other games with more than a 3% difference are Vice City, Resident Evil 2, Fallout 3 (as of right now anyway, looks like it won't finish there), and Final Fantasy I.
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Except Majora's Mask was never going to be fodder and you know it.

I'd be surprised if it was, yes, but you have no proof otherwise. That's like people calling Scorpion strong because there's no way Midna can be that weak.
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Y'know, the hardcore fanbase theory actually was validated in the 2k8 GotY polls, as much as certain people here would like to forget that ever happened. Adding options, regardless of the actual system/genre overlap, helped MGS4 against Brawl every time.

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What? The exact opposite happened.
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FastFalcon owned me in the Guru Contest!

...yeah, we're done here.

Yup my opinion is different than your's and we're not going to change so why bother?
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