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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 707

transients | Posted 5/7/2009 4:49:35 PM | message detail
Regarding the ending of the previous topic, am I the only person who believes that this is the absolute worst time for FO3, after the debacle of Broken Steel?

what's the story here?
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 5/7/2009 4:50:40 PM | message detail
Apparently the new expansion released the other day was glitched out for the PC and would crash right after installing or something. Dunno if it was fixed yet, but I have a feeling it probably was.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 5/7/2009 4:51:14 PM | message detail
Yoshi's Island: The final result doesn't show how badly this game struggled with Earthbound for the first few hours. This was when we started to realize that just having a major name in the title of the game doesn't automatically make you a strong game. Of course, the next match all but confirmed it.

Grade: D-


XD

And the match after that one, too!

BTW, what is this "Broken Steel" debacle???
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/7/2009 4:51:28 PM | message detail
1995-1997 Overall

The Good: This was a division where two juggernauts and a third game trying to prove it's a top ten game (Mario 64) performed like they were supposed to. It's nice to see strong games beat down fourpacks like they're supposed to. Solid performances by Mario RPG and Mario Kart 64 as well.

The STAR: Mario 64 impressed me a whole lot with its performance. I thought it was primed to disappoint, but it put up top tier numbers there.

The Bad: And at the same time, one game that was trying to prove it was a top ten game (GoldenEye) didn't perform like we expected. Yoshi's Island managed to flop pretty hard, too.

The TURD: I gotta give this one to SOTN. Not only did it struggle to put away a game that got 30% on MGS back when the series was at its lowest point, it got doubled by Mario 64. This game's fallen a long way, looks like.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/7/2009 4:53:04 PM | message detail
And who really thought Goldeneye was a top 10 game based on the list?

More people than you think.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 5/7/2009 4:53:42 PM | message detail
After a quick peek on the F3PC board, apparently it wasn't. Not sure what happened there, but Bethesda definitely dropped the ball on that one.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 5/7/2009 4:55:15 PM | message detail
On the other hand, the name Broken Steel now takes on a whole new meaning.

Oh ho ho.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 5/7/2009 4:56:35 PM | message detail
And now after a quick Google search, apparently it was fixed and it was actually Microsoft's fault. Go figure.

Moral of the story: it's not going to affect FO3's performance.
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 5/7/2009 4:56:40 PM | message detail
It should be fixed by now...

http://kotaku.com/5244335/broken-steel-pc-dlc-triumphantly-returns
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/7/2009 5:01:02 PM | message detail
Sweet, more grades!

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/7/2009 5:01:51 PM | message detail

From: DomaDragoon | #048
Regarding the ending of the previous topic, am I the only person who believes that this is the absolute worst time for FO3, after the debacle of Broken Steel?


What debacle? You mean how it had some issues on PC that has already been fixed?
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/7/2009 5:10:07 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | Posted: 5/7/2009 7:51:28 PM | #054
1995-1997 Overall

The Good: This was a division where two juggernauts and a third game trying to prove it's a top ten game (Mario 64) performed like they were supposed to. It's nice to see strong games beat down fourpacks like they're supposed to. Solid performances by Mario RPG and Mario Kart 64 as well.

The STAR: Mario 64 impressed me a whole lot with its performance. I thought it was primed to disappoint, but it put up top tier numbers there.

The Bad: And at the same time, one game that was trying to prove it was a top ten game (GoldenEye) didn't perform like we expected. Yoshi's Island managed to flop pretty hard, too.

The TURD: I gotta give this one to SOTN. Not only did it struggle to put away a game that got 30% on MGS back when the series was at its lowest point, it got doubled by Mario 64. This game's fallen a long way, looks like.


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The n00b Avenger | Posted 5/7/2009 5:10:20 PM | message detail
XD
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/7/2009 5:11:56 PM | message detail
damnit guys you scared Leon away

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transients | Posted 5/7/2009 5:12:12 PM | message detail
okay no need to imitate the guy that should be on everyone's ignore lists
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/7/2009 5:12:35 PM | message detail
Don't mind me. I'll just be playing Lufia II and watching the Hawks futilely try to beat the Cavs at home.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/7/2009 5:13:16 PM | message detail
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/7/2009 5:13:39 PM | message detail
"You are the king of derailing topics, by the way." -Lucid
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 5/7/2009 5:13:53 PM | message detail
EDF

EARTH DEFENSE FORCE
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/7/2009 5:14:04 PM | message detail
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/7/2009 5:16:55 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | Posted: 5/7/2009 8:13:39 PM | #068
"You are the king of derailing topics, by the way." -Lucid


XD OMG ROFL HAHAHAHWOW*dies*
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 5/7/2009 5:23:04 PM | message detail
Pokemon RBY / Pokemon GSC / Metal Gear Solid / Zelda: Majora's Mask
FF8 / Starcraft / FF9 / Ocarina of Time
Super Metroid / SMK / Zelda LTTP / DKC
FF6 / Zelda Link's Awakening / Sonic 2 / MK2
Tetris / Donkey Kong / Mega Man 2 / Pac-Man
Zelda 1 / Mario 1 / Metroid / Ninja Gaiden
Sonic / SF2 / Mario 3 / Monkey Island
Mario World / FF1 / FF4 / Mega Man 3
RE4 / KH2 / TP / Half-Life 2
Oblivion / Tales of Symphonia / World of Warcraft / MGS3
FFX / MGS2 / Kingdom Hearts / GTA Vice City
Goldeneye / Mario RPG / FF7 / MK64
SSBB / GTA4 / COD4 / Galaxy
MGS4 / Portal / Fallout 3 / Halo 3?
Mario 64 / CT / SOTN / Yoshi's Island
Diablo 2 / Halo / SSBM / Wind Waker

In order of how interesting they will be.
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creativename | Posted 5/7/2009 5:32:58 PM | message detail
I have to pretty much wholeheartedly disagree with like every single one of Leon's grades except DKC2 and Kirby getting F's :)

Nice to see the return of stars and turds of the round though, I was waiting for someone to do that :) (albeit SOTN getting turd is crazy nuts to me...)
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Master Moltar | Posted 5/7/2009 6:04:41 PM | message detail
Wow, I haven't checked the poll in 12 hours, and now I see Bioshock STILL hasn't gotten out of the 22% range. Glad that Portal held on through the day vote. Also woo MGS4 not dying off! Good performance from it.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/7/2009 6:06:02 PM | message detail
bioshock loves its 22%
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/7/2009 6:20:28 PM | message detail
Ah, finally got my sig freed up.

Not that your choice wasn't brilliant, master.
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GrapefruitKing | Posted 5/7/2009 6:20:28 PM | message detail
why did I think LBP would get 15.5%, again?
At least I got MGS4 almost exactly right
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Today's prediction: Nanomachines 41.87% - Portal 21.75% - Bioshock 20.88% - Sackboy 15.50%
Status: meh...
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/7/2009 6:22:40 PM | message detail
(albeit SOTN getting turd is crazy nuts to me...)

Well, who should it have been?

I guess Yoshi's Island qualifies, but still, I had SOTN advancing next round, so seeing it get doubled by Mario 64 basically locked it up as turd of this division.
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GrapefruitKing | Posted 5/7/2009 6:27:00 PM | message detail
TWEWY would've done so much better than SFIV
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3360



.... maybe not
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Status: meh...
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/7/2009 6:36:16 PM | message detail
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/7/2009 6:36:30 PM | message detail
We're getting on shaky ground here, but here goes!

BioShock got 35.47% on CoD4 in the 2007 Multi-Platform GOTY poll. It has 35.17% on MGS4 right now.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/7/2009 6:36:45 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | Posted: 5/7/2009 9:22:40 PM | #078
(albeit SOTN getting turd is crazy nuts to me...)

Well, who should it have been?

I guess Yoshi's Island qualifies, but still, I had SOTN advancing next round, so seeing it get doubled by Mario 64 basically locked it up as turd of this division.


HAHAHA YES XD AWESOME XFDXFDXFXD
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transients | Posted 5/7/2009 6:39:02 PM | message detail
Yoshi's Island was much worse.

I'll be finishing up my round 1 writeup tonight - look for it tomorrow.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/7/2009 6:39:09 PM | message detail
DKC2 IMO.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/7/2009 6:44:25 PM | message detail
A game that had zero expectations of placing shouldn't be considered the turd of the division when it flops a little harder than we expected.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 5/7/2009 6:44:54 PM | message detail
I say either DKC2 or Yoshi's Island. DKC2 needed Board 8 to get in the contest, and what does it do as thanks? Bomb and get less than 10%. THIS from an NRT winner?!? Yoshi's Island struggled with freaking EARTHBOUND.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/7/2009 6:45:42 PM | message detail
I say Turd of the Division should be GTA: San Andreas. It had no reason to be in 4th.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/7/2009 6:46:35 PM | message detail
San Andreas is my Turd of the 1st round.

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charmander6000 | Posted 5/7/2009 6:46:48 PM | message detail
Match XXXII: Fallout 3 vs. Halo 3 vs. Left 4 Dead vs. Mass Effect

Information:

Name: Fallout 3
Year: 2008
System: PC, PS3, Xbox 360
GotY Performance: 1st in Best Multi-Platform Game, 3rd in Game of the Year, 3rd in Game of the Year (Final)

Name: Halo 3
Year: 2007
System: Xbox 360
GotY Performance: 1st in Best Xbox 360 Game, 3rd in Game of the Year, 3rd in Game of the Year (Final)

Name: Left 4 Dead
Year: 2008
System: PC, Xbox 360
GotY Performance: 3rd in Best Multi-Platform Game

Name: Mass Effect
Year: 2007
System: Xbox 360
GotY Performance: 2nd in Best Xbox 360 Game

Analysis

It’s the battle of the third places of the past two GotYs in this final match of the round. Weirdly enough this is also the only match in the bracket where I have not even touched any of the four games. I’ve had to rely on GotY polls and Board 8 to give me an idea of how this match is going to take place; which means I’ll probably be far off to what will end up happening in this match.

The board seems to think that Fallout 3 will take first easily and I agree. Fallout 3 was huge for the series when it came out and is still going strong about a year later. Also being able to compete with the top games of 2008 is something to be proud of and with no game to take advantage of any LFF that may occur in this match Fallout 3 shouldn’t have much problems winning.

Halo 3 is the favourite to take second though after the performance of the other Halo games board 8 is becoming nervous. I’m not too sure what everyone’s expectations for Halo were, but Halo 2 did about expected and while the original Halo lost to Diablo II that could be explained by KotOR doing better than expected thus taking away Halo’s Xbox support. Halo 3 was huge back in 2007 and while it has quiet down it would take a huge flop before it would lose to the other two games. Also after Call of Duty 4’s performance yesterday I’m pretty sure that Halo 3 was stronger in the GotY than that poll indicated.

The battle for third is interesting for me because these games don’t have franchise votes to rely on giving them the win. Left 4 Dead seems to have an advantage since it is the more talked about game. Maybe the Left 4 Dead fans are more vocal, but I’ve seen more of them support the upset against Halo 3 than Mass Effect, but like many others I’m not quite convinced of its strength and Halo 3 would require a massive flopping that would make Super Mario Galaxy look like it had an over performance.

Mass Effect was talked about when it was released, but now it seems like most of the talk seemed to have died out. The only advantage I see for Mass Effect is that it did much better in the GotY poll than Left 4 Dead, but we all know how reliable those can be. Mass Effect can still take third, but in the end will anyone care how those two games perform, except for the fans.

Again I’m not really familiar with the games in this division, but the potential for an upset is pretty small. I can see Halo 3 upsetting Fallout 3 before Left 4 Dead/Mass Effect upsetting Halo 3. Well this match marks the half-way point of the contest that’s been far from predictable. Expect my stars and turds of each division sometime tomorrow.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Fallout 3 > Halo 3

charmander6000’s Prediction: Fallout 3 – 35.48%, Halo 3 – 29.14%, Left 4 Dead – 18.53%, Mass Effect – 16.85%

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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/7/2009 6:53:14 PM | message detail
1998-2000 GRADES

Banjo-Kazooie: Hey, another 3-D platformer not named Mario 64 sucks it up big time. What a shock.

Grade: F

Perfect Dark: Yeah, this game got 47% on SOTN and got utterly destroyed here, but don't use that 47% as a gauge for RBY or Majora's Mask. It was destined to get destroyed here. You're going up against THE Pokemon game and a Zelda game. What are the odds PD is going to do well? Not high. Plus, it's an N64 game against two other N64 games. Still, an abysmal performance is still an abysmal performance.

Grade: F

Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow: What can you say about this game that hasn't already been said? This may have been the first genuinely shocking result of the contest. RBY winning wasn't the shock because many people on the board picked it, but the fact that it got over 50% of the votes in a match with a mainline Zelda game, even if that game is Majora's Mask. Easily one of the most impressive performances of round 1.

Grade: A+

Majora's Mask: Whoops, looks like the Zelda game's not quite as invincible as we thought! Majora's Mask got crushed. It was closer to Perfect Dark that it was to RBY, that's how bad it was. The only thing that could've possibly been worse is if it had somehow failed to advance. It does have the potential for revenge thanks to GS being there to split with RBY next round, but with how bad this beatdown was, don't bet on it.

Grade: D
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/7/2009 6:55:50 PM | message detail
I'm looking forward to seeing how Fallout 3s trends hold up to the GoTY matches. For those, it had trends I wouldn't expect of it... flat out beating Brawl at night and competing with MGS' night vote, then dying at day. I'd expect a more day oriented vote out of it since its a big Xbox game.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 5/7/2009 6:56:26 PM | message detail
Banjo-Kazooie: Hey, another 3-D platformer not named Mario 64 sucks it up big time. What a shock.

Grade: F


HAHAHAHA YES XD
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/7/2009 6:58:47 PM | message detail
Deus Ex: Was anyone expecting this game to do anything in a match with a MGS game, a FF game, and a Pokemon game? Didn't think so.

Grade: F

Final Fantasy Tactics: Whoops, looks like the Final Fantasy name's not quite as invincible as we thought either! Ramza losing to Hogger and nearly losing to Laharl was the writing on the wall to an extent, but it went from 50/50 on MGS five years ago to 38% now. That wasn't all MGS increasing either. Losing by 10% to Gold/Silver is pretty sad, too.

Grade: D-

Metal Gear Solid: Here's another game we wanted to see if it had top 10 power, and it doesn't seem like it does. It's definitely a top 20 game, but losing the ASV outright to Gold/Silver is cause for concern.

Grade: C

Pokemon Gold/Silver: Pokemon impresses two days in a row. As mentioned before, Gold/Silver beat MGS outright with the ASV and left Final Fantasy Tactics in the dust. All three Pokemon games showed that they have a decent amount of strength. I wonder how badly RBY is going to hit it next round. Should be interesting to see.

Grade: A-
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 5/7/2009 7:06:02 PM | message detail
Final Fantasy Tactics: Whoops, looks like the Final Fantasy name's not quite as invincible as we thought either! Ramza losing to Hogger and nearly losing to Laharl was the writing on the wall to an extent, but it went from 50/50 on MGS five years ago to 38% now. That wasn't all MGS increasing either. Losing by 10% to Gold/Silver is pretty sad, too.

Grade: D-


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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/7/2009 7:06:29 PM | message detail
Final Fantasy VIII: I'll go ahead and save you guys the fanboy ratings that would inevitably follow and simply say that this is the happiest I've been about a contest result in a long time!

Grade: A++++

SoulCalibur: This is the game that almost beat Kingdom Hearts five years ago? Could've fooled me.

Grade: F

StarCraft: People had their suspicions that StarCraft was overrated for years, but THIS overrated? Or is Final Fantasy VIII just that strong? Regardless, people figured StarCraft was at least a lock for round 3 due to the second round FFVIII/FFIX split, but it got beat so badly that it's not even certain it can do that anymore.

Grade: D-

Xenogears: This game was probably being SFF'd by Final Fantasy VIII to an extent. It may have even managed to beat SoulCalibur here if it was the lone Square game in the poll. Xenogears was put into a hopeless situation from the start, so...

Grade: D-
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/7/2009 7:09:44 PM | message detail
Here's a quickie from me:

Top Ten Props
1. Pokemon RBY
2. Final Fantasy VIII
3. Tales of Symphonia
4. KotOR
5. Super Mario Kart
6. Call of Duty 4
7. Kingdom Hearts
8. Half-Life 2
9. Pokemon GSC
10. Link's Awakening

Top Ten Slops
1. Final Fantasy Tactics
2. Majora's Mask
3. Starcraft
4. Metroid Prime
5. Sonic the Hedgehog 3
6. Mega Man 2
7. Super Mario Galaxy
8. Street Fighter II
9. Half-Life
10. Doom

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creativename | Posted 5/7/2009 7:10:16 PM | message detail
Um...what's with the idiotic xding to Leon quotes that aren't funny in the least?
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creativename | Posted 5/7/2009 7:11:56 PM | message detail
but it got beat so badly that it's not even certain it can do that anymore.

I'd say it's pretty certain it can't.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/7/2009 7:13:19 PM | message detail
I'd say it's pretty certain it can't.

As a FFVIII fanatic, I can't bring myself to be THAT confident!
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