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Wait, why are we comparing two unrelated games?
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I expect MGS4 to beat LBP significantly worse tomorrow than it did in the GotY poll. If you weren't an MGS fan, there was literally nowhere else to go other than LBP. I expect MGS4's fanbase to be *much* more loyal when presented with new options.
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Meanwhile, Big Daddy bombed in its poll against Gordon/Scorpion/Balthier and everyone knows who the face of Bioshock is.

Big Daddy bombed? I'm pretty sure he did better than most expected.
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Sorta strange how DP did best during the night hours. Maybe that's more of CoD4 and Mario being weak at night.
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I expect MGS4 to beat LBP significantly worse tomorrow than it did in the GotY poll. If you weren't an MGS fan, there was literally nowhere else to go other than LBP. I expect MGS4's fanbase to be *much* more loyal when presented with new options.

I expect the opposite, many people on the site don't own a PS3 so what game are they going to vote for? Most likely MGS4.

Also if you don't like MGS4 there were 7 other options, or people didn't vote (lol 75k vote total)
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MGS4's fanbase proved resilient when faced with outside options after it advanced. LBP has not been tested like that.

As for there being seven other options, they were all so unknown and/or pathetic that they may as well have not been there. LBP was riding a big hype wave at the time, any non-MGS4 votes were likely to go to it by default.

And of course you have the issue of the poll's low votes working against you - most of the site doesn't own a PS3, so the introduction of two new options is going to inflate the votes relative to that poll and hurt LBP against the two entities it's *actually* trying to compete against.

LBP getting fodderized is almost a foregone conclusion here. I'd be flabbergasted if it held up.
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I was checking the Oracle to see what the general consensus on Big Daddy was, and I realized that I had the #3 prediction for that match.

...When did that happen?
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MGS4's fanbase proved resilient when faced with outside options after it advanced. LBP has not been tested like that.

Not entirely true.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3360

Not a poll full of big games, but hey.
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I never even considered LBP in that match, only Portal vs. Bioshock. LBP should be a non factor due to being beat down hard by MGS4
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LBP getting fodderized is almost a foregone conclusion here. I'd be flabbergasted if it held up.

Exactly, much of LBP's hype was just Sony's marketing machine going haywire.
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When your biggest competition is The World Ends With You, I'd call it the same scenario as the PS3-exclusive poll. You're the only game of note up against a bunch of no-namers. Not the same thing as Fallout 3, SSBB, etc...
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MGS4 and LBP are different types of games entirely. Same console SFF hasn't been all that significant in other matches, it's a factor sure but saying it'll get "beat down hard" because another game in a different genre on the same console is there is silly.
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Wind Waker losing updates to Disgaea no SFF there nope sirree
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Wind Waker is made by the same company as Smash Bros and they share a character. Not exactly what I'm talking about.
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It's been pretty hard for any game to the modern divisions to get fodderized. LBP shouldn't have trouble beating Persona 4's percentage.
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From: red sox 777 | #365
It's been pretty hard for any game to the modern divisions to get fodderized. LBP shouldn't have trouble beating Persona 4's percentage.

That won't be enough to be in contention for 2nd though.
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MGS4's fanbase proved resilient when faced with outside options after it advanced. LBP has not been tested like that.

Shouldn't PS3 games holding well against outside options be good for the LBP as well? Also LBP won best original title

As for there being seven other options, they were all so unknown and/or pathetic that they may as well have not been there. LBP was riding a big hype wave at the time, any non-MGS4 votes were likely to go to it by default.

At the time LBP was getting a large meh by PS3 fans, people are now more accepting of the game.

And of course you have the issue of the poll's low votes working against you - most of the site doesn't own a PS3, so the introduction of two new options is going to inflate the votes relative to that poll and hurt LBP against the two entities it's *actually* trying to compete against.

That's a disadvantge working with two similar games, but other games/characters have done it before.

LBP getting fodderized is almost a foregone conclusion here. I'd be flabbergasted if it held up.

Fun Fact: If LBP is still relative to MGS4 and MGS4 got 40% LBP would get 15.5%. So even if it loses it won't be fodderized.

I still believe that LBP will get a better ratio than it did in January.
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So Mario Galaxy is going down with the ASV while everyone else remains steady?

The trends for this match are rather weird.
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At the time LBP was getting a large meh by PS3 fans, people are now more accepting of the game.

LBP is a really strange title to gauge in terms of popularity (most of which was manufactured by Sony's marketing and PR department). It's frighteningly popular with game designers and those who do basic game or creative design as a hobby. For everyone else, it's a fun little game but not exactly one you binge on for weeks at a time like other titles.
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I don't believe LBP will be turbofodder in this contest, fodder maybe, but it won't be Tanner or Adventure-level...just a little above it.
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LBP will hold up well tomorrow, for sure. Many people adore the game, and it's not an unknown either. It's many steps above the Okamis and Shadow of the Colossus' of the world when it comes to public awareness.

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Some quick things about Bioshock/Portal as I see them (some have been said, some I don't think have):


1) GlaDOS shouldn't really be compared to Vincent so much as Wander in that poll due to the obscurity of their names (plus you rarely get to see GlaDOS and her picture is terrible, as expected), and GlaDOS smoked him in it. If there's any kind of correlation to be made between them and their games, remember that SotC did pretty well for itself against RE4 and KH2. It's possible Portal could impress with that comparison, Big Daddy aside.

2) The Orange Box and Bioshock were very competitive in their GotY-poll, but we don't know how Portal compares now to The Orange Box then. We do know HL2 did very well for itself, but we also see TF2 getting smashed today.

3) Anecdotal evidence, but I've heard more people talk about Portal than Bioshock and Portal seems to be more of "the next step in gaming." Who knows what that's actually worth though, because I also felt like SMG was part of "the next step in gaming" too and it's not doing as well as I'd like today.


I've got MGS4 > Portal and am sticking with it, but Bioshock's always had a good chance and I feel like this is one of the most 50/50-matches of the first round (not 50/50/50...sorry LBP, you're outclassed).
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Shorthand, do you speak it?!

Man, some ASV from Cod4 we got here
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I also want to mention one other thing before I go: Pokemon's done very well for itself this contest and in the past two Character Battles; Pikachu's hung tough despite the likes of Samus and Luigi, Mewtwo fought hard with Bowser and Toad (dunno how to explain Midna though!), R/B/Y beats LoZ:MM and two other N64 games combined, and G/S didn't go down without a fight against MGS. I figure D/P is weaker than the other Pokemon games, but this does bring up the question: how much better would SSBB shake off Pokemon D/P? CoD4/TF2 and GTA4/P4 aside, I think that is most pertinent about how SSBB/SMG will go in R2.

Again, I concede SSBB's looking good to win R2, but I'm also not convinced SSBB shakes off D/P much better than SMG currently is.
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LBP will hold up well tomorrow, for sure. Many people adore the game, and it's not an unknown either. It's many steps above the Okamis and Shadow of the Colossus' of the world when it comes to public awareness.

Hmm, I disagree. I don't think it's held up well at all. Hype for it was huge, and then it came out to good reviews but very disappointing sales.

Even for those fans, I've seen a good amount complain about how it was a good concept, but got old/boring quickly, and that the only way to extend the life of the game was to actually go and make levels (which isn't easy) or constantly download new levels (most of which sucked).

I'm with KH in thinking that it's going to do worse than in the GotY poll, especially now that it's just not the only non-MGS4 option worth voting for.
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also galaxy losing the asv to CoD4 is something i expected after seeing it's DSV, but damn its depressing
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I'm with KH in thinking that it's going to do worse than in the GotY poll, especially now that it's just not the only non-MGS4 option worth voting for.

MGS4 also doesn't have the I'm the only game you know in this poll factor for non-PS3 fans.
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Mario Galaxy is gonna end up closer to Pokemon then CoD4 at this rate.
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So is the favourite now CoD4 > SSBB or SSBB > CoD4?
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Lats 3 pages = what

Portal could lose but it has every advantage going into the match.

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As for how TF2 is doing in this poll, remember that CoD4 is a horrible opponent for it. TF2 is a pretty popular online FPS, but CoD4 is *the* most popular online FPS in...ever.

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Again, I concede SSBB's looking good to win R2, but I'm also not convinced SSBB shakes off D/P much better than SMG currently is.

I think SSBB could be winning here despite DP, honestly.
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I'll believe in SSBB when I see it hold up with another popular Nintendo game in the poll. Beating up a back of weaklings it has no overlap with is one thing, staying strong with Mario in the poll is another.

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This isn't just A bomb, this is THE bomb of the first round. Even SF4 managed to look better (relatively speaking, of course)!

Nah. Mega Man 2's mega bomb was worse. It had every reason inaginable to completely dominate that fourpack. It barely got 35%. Also, SF2. Its loss to Sonic would've been perfectly acceptable - if Sonic didn't proceed to ass it up as usual, that is. And Final Fantasy 6 also did rather bad. Going from 45% on LttP to barely 56% on Link's Awakening? Either Link's Awakening is a powerhouse, or FF6 has dropped big time - and I sure ain't expecting Link's Awakening to come close to threatening LttP. And no matter which way you slice it, SF4 struggling with frigging PERSONA (for the entire day, no less!) is...Wait, what was that word again? Oh wait, that's right - ASS.

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Beating up a back of weaklings it has no overlap with is one thing, staying strong with Mario in the poll is another.

Yeah, but there's only so much DP hinders Galaxy here. At best, Galaxy probably beats CoD4 with 55% here, which is what CoD4 is beating it with right now. I'll still take 65% on GTA IV right now until next round.
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CoD4 looks good for first next round at this point. Brawl will probably be hurt by Galaxy worse than Galaxy is being hurt by DP today. As for tomorrow, I don't think Portal will come close to losing.
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I've got MGS4 > BioShock tomorrow, but I didn't have any reasoning behind it other than I knew LBP wouldn't place due to MGS4. BioShock/Portal was like a coin flip decision for me.

I'm out of touch with games this gen!
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Weighted Companion Cube beating Mega Man

Thats all
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Hmm, I disagree. I don't think it's held up well at all. Hype for it was huge, and then it came out to good reviews but very disappointing sales.

I dunno. I don't think much has changed between early January and now as far as LBP 'hype' goes, the people who love are still bound to vote for it. And as far as disappointing sales go, it still sold about 700k in the States. That may not be great if you consider how Sony wanted it to be become a big casual hit, but that's still really good, especially on a system where almost all of the million sellers are from big name franchises.

And for whatever it's worth -- http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps3/home/938583.html

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Weighted Companion Cube beating Mega Man

Thats all

Beating Mega Man 2 isn't much of an accomplishment >_>
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Bioshock and Orange Box both have higher "My Games" if that means anything
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From: charmander6000 | #391
Weighted Companion Cube beating Mega Man

Thats all

Beating Mega Man 2 isn't much of an accomplishment >_>

http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Solid_Snake_vs_Weighted_Companion_Cube_vs_Mega_Man_vs_Zero_2008
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Of course, I don't think LBP is going to place tomorrow, but it'll hold up against this competition. If another game had been in MGS4's position, I would've taken LBP over Portal and Bioshock.

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According to lol VGchatz LBP's sales have gone from 1.3 million to 2.2 million since the GotY.
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http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Solid_Snake_vs_Weighted_Companion_Cube_vs_Mega_Man_vs_Zero_2008

*sigh*

I guess you didn't get the joke. Anyways LFF and games =/= characters.
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Bioshock has more sales then that (About 2.5 million on PS3/360, not counting PC sales), and Orange box is a bit over 1 million on 360/PS3, but I'd expect another 1 million at least on PC since thats where it seems most people play the Valve games. They should all be about even for sales.
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Yeah, LBP's worldwide numbers are over 2 million (only about 100k of that comes from Japan, the rest is America+Europe). Those sales may be disappointing relative to what expectations might've been for it, but it still sold very well.

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"Nah. Mega Man 2's mega bomb was worse. It had every reason inaginable to completely dominate that fourpack. It barely got 35%. Also, SF2. Its loss to Sonic would've been perfectly acceptable - if Sonic didn't proceed to ass it up as usual, that is. And Final Fantasy 6 also did rather bad. Going from 45% on LttP to barely 56% on Link's Awakening? Either Link's Awakening is a powerhouse, or FF6 has dropped big time - and I sure ain't expecting Link's Awakening to come close to threatening LttP. And no matter which way you slice it, SF4 struggling with frigging PERSONA (for the entire day, no less!) is...Wait, what was that word again? Oh wait, that's right - ASS."

Of all those, SF2 actually impressed (weak as Sonic might be in this format, SF seems to be even weaker, so standing up to Sonic was pretty good) or did fairly well, FF6 has a 5% dro at most (at least, that's what I think. Might be bigger, though), and SF4 bombed, but we knew it was going to disappoint as we came into the poll.

However, the comparison to Mega Man 2 is spot-on. D/P is stronger than Pac-Man, but relatively speaking, I'd say both MM2 and SMG put up bombs of equal caliber. I think the Turd of the round award will have to be shared between them unless something bizarre happens in the last two matches, like Fallout 3 scoring 3% or something. SMG scoring so low is just puzzling. Either D/P is giving SMG the biggest case of LFF EVER, or it's really so pathetically weak (it's scoring 10% below the minimum I had it at), and CoD4 is capitalizing on that wonderfully..

Bioshock has more sales then that (About 2.5 million on PS3/360, not counting PC sales), and Orange box is a bit over 1 million on 360/PS3, but I'd expect another 1 million at least on PC since thats where it seems most people play the Valve games. They should all be about even for sales.

I'm just saying that LBP's sales have almost double since Jan. So why are we expecting it to be as weak as it was back then?
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