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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 705
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/5/2009 9:45:05 PM | message detail |
I'll
stand by Brawl > Melee to the death. I still don't understand the
logic behind Melee being stronger. Noone wants to explain it when I ask. Who do you take between GTA IV and Wind Waker? Because Melee and Brawl put up similar numbers on each. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 5/5/2009 9:45:31 PM | message detail |
Personally, GTA4. FFXII is a jobber. --- http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg |
Fayt_Esteed | Posted 5/5/2009 9:45:40 PM | message detail |
You
also have to remember that SF4 was dealing with the site's most popular
fighting game (suck it elitists) while Persona really stood out. You
had 2 fighting games and an action game, all 3 current gen games,
against a PS2 RPG. Persona lucked out in getting probably the best
position for it in this division. The thing is, Disgaea stood out similarly, and all it managed was to humiliate a double SFFed Fire Emblem, and it STILL looked bad. SF4 is a giant turd. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/5/2009 9:46:01 PM | message detail |
I'll
stand by Brawl > Melee to the death. I still don't understand the
logic behind Melee being stronger. Noone wants to explain it when I ask. What's to explain? The fanbase had Melee for over six years and loves it to death. Brawl is a popular game, but some also see it as the embodiment of Nintendo giving longtime fans the finger (the only embodiment they can vote against because Wii Fit sure ain't here, anyway). Just because Brawl has more characters and better graphics doesn't mean it's automatically better. Street Fighter II vs. Street Fighter IV, who you got? --- I, like clockwork, have been humiliated by hochiminh Hochiminh is better than me. I was a numbskull for thinking I could defy Him. |
BDawg | Posted 5/5/2009 9:46:39 PM | message detail |
I have to agree Joe Casual probably doesn't differentiate that much between Brawl and Melee. --- Should I start running now? |
ZFS | Posted 5/5/2009 9:47:03 PM | message detail |
Street Fighter II would destroy SFIV, no doubts about that. SFIV has nothing going for it there. --- a metal slime appears |
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 5/5/2009 9:47:31 PM | message detail |
From: creativename | #049 Is more "respected"? What exactly does that mean aside from the very small (yet annoyingly vocal) minority of competitive Smash players? Everyone I've talked to prefer Brawl for the new characters, updated gameplay and online (shoddy though it may be compared to XBL or PSN) --- http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg |
KamikazePotato | Posted 5/5/2009 9:47:47 PM | message detail |
I have to agree Joe Casual probably doesn't differentiate that much between Brawl and Melee. The majority of Joe Casuals I've met have preferred Melee, and most people on GameFAQs aren't Joe Casual. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/5/2009 9:47:53 PM | message detail |
Brawl I can see being indirectly stronger, but if faced with melee, gets owned --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/threesome.gif |
creativename | Posted 5/5/2009 9:48:13 PM | message detail |
I have to agree Joe Casual probably doesn't differentiate that much between Brawl and Melee. Don't think this is true. Heard a lot of complaints about Brawl from my brother and his high school friends. --- gamefaqscontests.com gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/5/2009 9:48:47 PM | message detail |
In my opinion, Melee had a better first round showing than Brawl, and it did it on a tougher trio of games. WW/Disgaea/FE vs. GTA IV/Persona 4/SFIV Man, there's a bunch of real winners. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
SonicRaptor | Posted 5/5/2009 9:49:31 PM | message detail |
Street Fighter II vs. Street Fighter IV, who you got? The real question is, by how much does SF2 win? --- Today's Subliminal Thought Is: |
Fayt_Esteed | Posted 5/5/2009 9:50:13 PM | message detail |
WW/Disgaea/FE vs. GTA IV/Persona 4/SFIV Personally, that only boils down to Wind Waker vs. GTA4. Disgaea, FE, SF4, and P4 are all jobbers. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 5/5/2009 9:50:22 PM | message detail |
From: LeonhartFour | #051 Probably Wind Waker, but you have to remember that Melee was likely SFFing it there. At any rate it would probably be a close match. From: PartOfYourWorld | #054 But does anybody play Melee since Brawl came out (shut up Ulti)? Indirectly they're probably very similar, in a direct matchup though I can't see Melee even coming close to winning. --- http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg |
ZFS | Posted 5/5/2009 9:50:42 PM | message detail |
Yeah,
I'm not sure why we're arguing Melee vs. Brawl. It seems pretty clear
to me that Melee is the much stronger of the two. Brawl's pack was a
bunch of scrubs, what it did there shouldn't have been surprising to
anybody. MGS4 would have put up similar numbers there -- who do you
take between Melee and MGS4? --- a metal slime appears |
BDawg | Posted 5/5/2009 9:50:52 PM | message detail |
Melee's match was full of leeching anyway so who knows. --- Should I start running now? |
red sox 777 | Posted 5/5/2009 9:51:06 PM | message detail |
There'll be no hard proof on Melee/Brawl until we see OOT against both, but..... The logic as of last year was: 1. Most of the Smash fanbase is indifferent between Melee and Brawl. 2. Those who aren't indifferent overwhelmingly favor Melee. Since then, we've had Brawl barely beat MGS4 in the GOTY, the Deboost, and New Nintendo generally fall off a cliff. None of those prove anything about Brawl, but together they foreshadow bad things for it. Remember, Melee was the game that rode the Boost to ever higher highs for years, while Brawl more than any other game is associated with the Deboost, because it is the biggest Wii game. --- Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/5/2009 9:52:08 PM | message detail |
Brawl's pack was a bunch of scrubs, what it did there shouldn't have been surprising to anybody. Fire Emblem and Disgaea are scrubs, too. Wind Waker was the only game of note in either fourpack, and I doubt it beats GTA IV by a lot, though it wins cleanly. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
Fayt_Esteed | Posted 5/5/2009 9:52:29 PM | message detail |
And there's the fact that Melee's match had 3 Nintendo games, meaning a lot of leeching there. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 5/5/2009 9:52:48 PM | message detail |
I disagree. Brawl is the last good Nintendo game. There has been literally NOTHING on the Wii since Brawl. People see it as the last good thing Nintendo did before it came out with a plethora of shovelware and minigame compilations. --- http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg |
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/5/2009 9:53:28 PM | message detail |
CoD4 + Team Fortress is looking to best Galaxy + DP soon. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
ZFS | Posted 5/5/2009 9:53:53 PM | message detail |
I
wouldn't have to think much about Wind Waker over GTAIV. I'd take Fire
Emblem, without SFF, over Persona and SFIV, too. It's hard to judge
Melee accurately by that pack, but it still put up better numbers than
Brawl did. --- a metal slime appears |
creativename | Posted 5/5/2009 9:54:04 PM | message detail |
The real question is, by how much does SF2 win? It'd approach Link/Ganon levels. --- gamefaqscontests.com gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 5/5/2009 9:54:32 PM | message detail |
From: Fayt_Esteed | #069 Which doesn't matter because we aren't talking about Disgaea, the only thing there to take advantage of the SFF. The only remotely accurate measure we have there is Wind Waker vs GTA4, and that's not accurate at all since Wind Waker was probably SFF'd and we don't have a great idea where GTA4 sits. --- http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg |
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 5/5/2009 9:56:07 PM | message detail |
Which is why I say the 2 are indirectly similar, but Brawl would dominate a straight up match. Melee > Brawl logic reminds of of Samus > Mario logic. Just doesn't make sense on any level. --- http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg |
red sox 777 | Posted 5/5/2009 9:56:31 PM | message detail |
A
couple things: It may not be true that most of the Smash fanbase is
indifferent between Melee and Brawl anymore. Admittedly based on
anecdotal evidence and personal observation of the fanbase, I think the
non-competitive crowd favors Melee at this point. Second, the
competitive SSBM fanbase is not insignificant. It is the largest
competitive fighter fanbase on this site, and should far exceed SF2's.
Consider how much SF2 depends on its competitive fanbase- you could
argue that Melee vs. Brawl is like Brawl + SF2 vs. Brawl. --- Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/5/2009 9:56:42 PM | message detail |
CoD4 winning is just worth it for the whining on this board. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/threesome.gif |
WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 5/5/2009 9:56:48 PM | message detail |
Man, Galaxy deserves better than this. And damnit, I knew modern Nintendo would falter. Oh well, CoD 4 > Brawl next round 8 points for me. (maybe I won't become the first two-time Ed Bellis Award winner) --- http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j69/War13104/CenaJFrog.gif hey look i'm war and i'm stupid - WVI |
creativename | Posted 5/5/2009 9:57:14 PM | message detail |
We can't judge anything at all from Melee's pack because of all the SFF/LFF nuttiness. Melee>Brawl is just the obvious thing to believe though. It's not for certain but you're not going to convince anyone otherwise right now. --- gamefaqscontests.com gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/5/2009 9:57:39 PM | message detail |
Melee > Brawl logic reminds of of Samus > Mario logic. Just doesn't make sense on any level. Oh great, here we go. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 5/5/2009 9:58:09 PM | message detail |
From: red sox 777 | #076 I have no idea what you're trying to say --- http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg |
Lopen | Posted 5/5/2009 9:58:11 PM | message detail |
The real question is, by how much does SF2 win? It'd approach Link/Ganon levels. I don't think so. I think SF4 probably holds up as well as can be expected of it. People who actually judge both games as games will probably vote SF4... ie, the people who actually actively play the games. Of course there are people who vote for Street Fighter because it made the fighting genre and all that would go for SF2, so I won't go as far as to say it rSFFs it. Just that it holds up. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 5/5/2009 9:58:17 PM | message detail |
IT'S FREAKING BRAWL! --- http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j69/War13104/CenaJFrog.gif hey look i'm war and i'm stupid - WVI |
red sox 777 | Posted 5/5/2009 9:59:52 PM | message detail |
Ok, in fewer words then: 1. I think casual Smash fans may favor Melee now. 2. The competitive Smash fanbase is not insignificant, and could turn an otherwise 50/50 match into a 60/40 match. They only need to make up 20% of the Smash fanbase to do that. --- Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
Mac Arrowny | Posted 5/5/2009 10:00:20 PM | message detail |
Wind Waker beats GTA4 easily, yeah, but GTA4 kicks SFF'd Wind Waker's ass. --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/5/2009 10:00:24 PM | message detail |
I probably shouldn't have posted that SFIV menu theme. I can't stop listening to it. --- I, like clockwork, have been humiliated by hochiminh Hochiminh is better than me. I was a numbskull for thinking I could defy Him. |
Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 5/5/2009 10:00:47 PM | message detail |
stop listening to it and play it |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/5/2009 10:01:22 PM | message detail |
2.
The competitive Smash fanbase is not insignificant, and could turn an
otherwise 50/50 match into a 60/40 match. They only need to make up 20%
of the Smash fanbase to do that. ...and favor Melee 100%. --- I, like clockwork, have been humiliated by hochiminh Hochiminh is better than me. I was a numbskull for thinking I could defy Him. |
creativename | Posted 5/5/2009 10:01:53 PM | message detail |
I
don't think so. I think SF4 probably holds up as well as can be
expected of it. People who actually judge both games as games will
probably vote SF4... ie, the people who actually actively play the
games. Of course there are people who vote for Street Fighter because
it made the fighting genre and all that would go for SF2, so I won't go
as far as to say it rSFFs it. Just that it holds up. Uh...you're nuts? :) j/k I actually have SF4 and played it heavily, and believe me, virtually nobody votes for SF4 in that hypothetical poll. There's absolutely no way SF4 holds up there. --- gamefaqscontests.com gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/5/2009 10:01:56 PM | message detail |
I don't have the game yet. It takes a lot for me to plop down $50+ on any game. --- I, like clockwork, have been humiliated by hochiminh Hochiminh is better than me. I was a numbskull for thinking I could defy Him. |
creativename | Posted 5/5/2009 10:02:48 PM | message detail |
I probably shouldn't have posted that SFIV menu theme. I can't stop listening to it. Heh yeah that theme is pretty catchy :) --- gamefaqscontests.com gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
creativename | Posted 5/5/2009 10:03:21 PM | message detail |
A remix of the UFC theme with the SFIV theme would be pretty cool. --- gamefaqscontests.com gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
Solid_Mike86 | Posted 5/5/2009 10:03:36 PM | message detail |
When will everyone realize that 4 ways are stupid for contests? Ugh. --- ***UNC TARHEELS 2008-2009 NCAA CHAMPIONS*** AKA Super Luigi. Go Hurricanes! CAR - 1 BOS- 1 |
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/5/2009 10:03:47 PM | message detail |
From: PartOfYourWorld | #090 Its worth it, for sure. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v410/RyanSaotome/threesome.gif |
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/5/2009 10:04:00 PM | message detail |
We're not the ones who need to realize it, unfortunately! --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
red sox 777 | Posted 5/5/2009 10:04:45 PM | message detail |
Melee > Brawl does not remind me at all of Samus > Mario. Where did you get that from? As an aside, we Mario pickers like to bring up that match as the epitomy of obviousness, but....only 2 people took Mario to get over 55% in the Oracle. Only Lopen exceeded Mario's actual percentage. If that match was so obvious, almost all of us didn't see it 'till afterward. --- Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
Fayt_Esteed | Posted 5/5/2009 10:04:56 PM | message detail |
When will everyone realize that 4 ways are stupid for contests? Ugh. Unfortunately, it's not us who needs to realize that. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
Lopen | Posted 5/5/2009 10:05:42 PM | message detail |
I
actually have SF4 and played it heavily, and believe me, virtually
nobody votes for SF4 in that hypothetical poll. There's absolutely no
way SF4 holds up there. Uhhh... I do? I bet most fighting game fans that aren't blinded by nostalgia do. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! |
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/5/2009 10:06:19 PM | message detail |
As
an aside, we Mario pickers like to bring up that match as the epitomy
of obviousness, but....only 2 people took Mario to get over 55% in the
Oracle. Only Lopen exceeded Mario's actual percentage. If that match
was so obvious, almost all of us didn't see it 'till afterward. Hindsight bias: A stats topic staple. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
Solid_Mike86 | Posted 5/5/2009 10:07:27 PM | message detail |
So is Galaxy going to come back and take first or no because Pokemon is in the poll to hurt it? --- ***UNC TARHEELS 2008-2009 NCAA CHAMPIONS*** AKA Super Luigi. Go Hurricanes! CAR - 1 BOS- 1 |
