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creativename | Posted 5/5/2009 9:15:40 PM | message detail
Hey guys let's completely ignore GotY polls even though the entire reason CoD4 and Fallout 3 have any bracket support whatsoever is because of GotY polls and you're ignorant if you think otherwise

I've said before that I think those polls underrate Fallout 3.

Also CoD4 was a GOTY winner. It doing well in those polls probably helps the bracket support but it's not like it wouldn't have had any.


Based on their last log in times, they may not have even seen the match results yet. Give them some time. Also thanks for convicing me to seriously cut back on my oracle prediction on SMG.

Huh if he convinced you I wonder if he would've convinced me. Probably not too much but I might've lowered it a point. I didn't read any of this topic though.

What was BT's argument?
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transients | Posted 5/5/2009 9:15:49 PM | message detail
yeah, that's game.

interesting result. I hope people aren't drawing conclusions for anything outside of Galaxy here.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/5/2009 9:15:51 PM | message detail
Why were people giving BT flack for Brawl > Galaxy?

That seemed obvious enough to me.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/5/2009 9:15:52 PM | message detail
Pokemon just died in that update. Well look like game over for Galaxy.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/5/2009 9:16:01 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/images/poll_graph.php?matchnum=3270&type=2&seconds=60&max=0

Seems MacMillans best time was ASV
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ZFS | Posted 5/5/2009 9:16:02 PM | message detail
TF2 rising up like crazy.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 5/5/2009 9:16:50 PM | message detail

From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #450
And just looking at the sales for CoD5 is pretty telling.


Guitar Hero sales baby.
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creativename | Posted 5/5/2009 9:17:25 PM | message detail
This is the Pikachu thing all over again. I reserve the right to be as obnoxious as I want because of how much flak I took for this and Brawl > Galaxy. Let me have my fun.

Heh yeah. I don't even know what exactly you were arguing but kudos :)

Also BT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Albion.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/5/2009 9:17:25 PM | message detail
I don't see how anyone can really feel too good about Galaxy being stronger than TP or Brawl at this point.

I don't know why anyone expected Galaxy > TP since it couldn't beat it in the GotC poll with WW there. I always thought Brawl was dubious, too. I think Brawl and TP are close though.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/5/2009 9:17:51 PM | message detail
Brawl > Galaxy was always the favorite pick here, and not everyone said Galaxy was a lock to beat CoD4. You were completely right in your analysis, though, yes.
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TheRye | Posted 5/5/2009 9:18:10 PM | message detail
BT: Proof that even a broken watch is right twice a day
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greatone10 | Posted 5/5/2009 9:18:10 PM | message detail
I'd say Axel Steel more than cancels this out.
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 5/5/2009 9:18:14 PM | message detail
I dont.

I think Brawl crushes TP.
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 5/5/2009 9:18:22 PM | message detail
Except now we're talking about games directly, which are much more affected by sales than characters.

Call of Duty was a pretty mediocre franchise until CoD4 came out.

It's basically the RE4 or FF7 of Call of Duty.
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 5/5/2009 9:19:17 PM | message detail
mediocre sales wise or quality wise?
MarioSuperstar | Posted 5/5/2009 9:19:40 PM | message detail
Good sales will almost never transfer to GameFAQs and you know it. There was no reason to take a first-person shooter that sells well over Mario Galaxy WITHOUT first seeing how GameFAQs views it.

Nobody would take stuff like GTA and Halo over Mario, so what would make CoD different if we didn't have polls?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/5/2009 9:19:53 PM | message detail
Man, my Oracle is going to look awful for this match.

Oh well. That's nothing new!
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 5/5/2009 9:20:16 PM | message detail
CN, post 270, middle of page 6 is my writeup.

And I mean both, at least comparing CoD 1-3 with 4/5.

Modern Warfare 2 is going to be the big holiday game this year.
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 5/5/2009 9:20:37 PM | message detail
Because CoD overtook Halo, and is in PS3 as well.

2 demo's.

4 even has internet support in Mac Millan.
charmander6000 | Posted 5/5/2009 9:20:38 PM | message detail
I'm still surprised that a FPS is winning so easily on GameFAQs.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 5/5/2009 9:21:19 PM | message detail
Of course, the reason why this board took Galaxy is because of the GotY polls. No other reason - not an indifference toward FPS, nor an inclination toward Nintendo and Mario and particular, nothing else could have factored in to such a conclusion!

This is some of the most flagrant revisionist history I've seen. "Yeah, I totally didn't need the GotY polls to believe in Fallout 3!" No one is fooled by lies like this.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 5/5/2009 9:21:24 PM | message detail
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#466 Good sales will almost never transfer to GameFAQs and you know it. There was no reason to take a first-person shooter that sells well over Mario Galaxy WITHOUT first seeing how GameFAQs views it.

Nobody would take stuff like GTA and Halo over Mario, so what would make CoD different if we didn't have polls?


Read my writeup. I said something along the lines of CoD4 is like the love child of Halo and Half-Life, satisfying both casuals and hardcores.
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Big Bob | Posted 5/5/2009 9:21:25 PM | message detail
Hello? Hi? I lost? Can I have my sig now?
red sox 777 | Posted 5/5/2009 9:21:26 PM | message detail
Huh if he convinced you I wonder if he would've convinced me. Probably not too much but I might've lowered it a point. I didn't read any of this topic though.

He actually did convince me to move my CoD prediction up 1.5% and Galaxy down the same amount. Should have moved them a lot more though!
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 5/5/2009 9:21:29 PM | message detail
I'm still surprised that a FPS is winning so easily on GameFAQs.

Especially after seeing the others bomb like crazy.
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creativename | Posted 5/5/2009 9:21:51 PM | message detail
So all he said was Brawl>Galaxy? I never got dragged into those debates because I thought that was pretty obvious too.

Didn't expect Galaxy to be this weak, although I'm not stunned or anything, CoD4 is well respected. Might be hard to really get a read on Galaxy though - this is the start of what's going to be ton of LFF heavy matches.
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ZFS | Posted 5/5/2009 9:22:23 PM | message detail
MyGames is probably up there with The List, but GameFAQs definitely took to the game, more than any of the other games like it.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/xbox360/home/939212.html
http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps3/home/939213.html

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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 5/5/2009 9:22:31 PM | message detail
I took Galaxy because it was the 1st legit Mario game in years.

What the hell happened.
MarioSuperstar | Posted 5/5/2009 9:22:59 PM | message detail

From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #472
I said something along the lines of CoD4 is like the love child of Halo and Half-Life, satisfying both casuals and hardcores.


Oh yeah, just like your usual arguments that involve some strange analogy about how people view games that makes no sense and isn't taken seriously.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/5/2009 9:23:12 PM | message detail
Anecdotal evidence and all, but the guys in my dorm played Call of Duty like every night. It's just a really popular game among people our age.

Oh, and what's this about silent acclaim being better again?
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Theo72 | Posted 5/5/2009 9:23:15 PM | message detail
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 5/5/2009 9:23:20 PM | message detail
The question now is, how badly does Brawl SFF Galaxy into the ground?

I'm guessing a fair bit. GTA will be closer to Brawl than to Galaxy.
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creativename | Posted 5/5/2009 9:23:28 PM | message detail
Nobody would take stuff like GTA and Halo over Mario, so what would make CoD different if we didn't have polls?

But Halo is hated while CoD is not. GTA isn't well respected either. Respect means a lot, this has always been clear.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/5/2009 9:23:39 PM | message detail
Of course, the reason why this board took Galaxy is because of the GotY polls. No other reason - not an indifference toward FPS, nor an inclination toward Nintendo and Mario and particular, nothing else could have factored in to such a conclusion!

While it did help, but I would've taken Galaxy > CoD4 regardless

This is some of the most flagrant revisionist history I've seen. "Yeah, I totally didn't need the GotY polls to believe in Fallout 3!" No one is fooled by lies like this.

This is true, I would've taken Halo 3 > Fallout 3 is it weren't for the GotY polls.
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greatone10 | Posted 5/5/2009 9:23:51 PM | message detail
I still say Diamond Pearl is doing some crazy leeching, and with the way RBY and GSC performed, it looks likely. But nonetheless, CoD4 is at least proving itself to be a good midcarder at the very least.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/5/2009 9:24:13 PM | message detail
So... anyone think any differently of Halo 3 after this match?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/5/2009 9:24:43 PM | message detail
Yeah, without the GotY polls people probably consider Diamond over CoD4 for 2nd (before PokeFEAR) and Fallout 3 has an epic fight for 2nd with L4D and Mass Effect.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 5/5/2009 9:25:01 PM | message detail
I'm guessing most of the people that are really surprised that CoD is doing well were living under a rock for the end of 2007/beginning of 2008. I don't own the game, but I played it with friends and really enjoyed it. I plan to pick it up sometime this summer to play what I heard was a really good campaign.
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TheOceIot | Posted 5/5/2009 9:25:10 PM | message detail
Call of Duty was a pretty mediocre franchise until CoD4 came out.

I seriously hope you are joking. Call of Duty 1 and 2 (PC and 360) got scores in the 90s and won some PC GOTY awards. They also sold 4-5 million each. Perhaps you played the Treyarch Call of Duty games.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/5/2009 9:25:13 PM | message detail
So all he said was Brawl>Galaxy? I never got dragged into those debates because I thought that was pretty obvious too.

I've always been a TP > Brawl > Galaxy guy though I didn't expect Galaxy to be that weak.
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greatone10 | Posted 5/5/2009 9:25:45 PM | message detail
Funny thing is, remember that L4D, ME, Halo 3, and Fallout 3 is the last match of the first round. Those never go according to plan, despite all logic to the contrary.
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 5/5/2009 9:25:58 PM | message detail
Nobody would take stuff like GTA and Halo over Mario, so what would make CoD different if we didn't have polls?

Because Halo is hated here, thats no secret when the Main of Halo loses to Frog and Sub-Zero.

GTA.....Remember Warcraft?
MnMZero | Posted 5/5/2009 9:25:58 PM | message detail
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/5/2009 9:26:41 PM | message detail
I think his argument (or at least how I read it) was that there was no way Call of Duty 4 dropped off more than Galaxy since the end of 2007. That was the height of NintendoFAQs.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 5/5/2009 9:26:50 PM | message detail
This is true, I would've taken Halo 3 > Fallout 3 is it weren't for the GotY polls.

I took Halo 3 > Fallout despite the GotY polls. I still think Halo 3 is leagues above Halo 1 and 2, if only because the 360 is so much more accepted on this site than the Xbox ever was.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 5/5/2009 9:27:13 PM | message detail

From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #488
I'm guessing most of the people that are really surprised that CoD is doing well were living under a rock for the end of 2007/beginning of 2008


Not really. I knew it was popular, but there's simply no reason other than a GameFAQs poll to believe that it is loved on GameFAQs looking at their history with first-person shooters.
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 5/5/2009 9:27:17 PM | message detail
I'm guessing most of the people that are really surprised that CoD is doing well were living under a rock for the end of 2007/beginning of 2008. I don't own the game, but I played it with friends and really enjoyed it. I plan to pick it up sometime this summer to play what I heard was a really good campaign.

What are you going on about? Every single Halo has bombed and Gears of War looked like a dog turd. While there was reason to believe CoD4 was stronger, nothing would suggest that CoD4 should be this much stronger.
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