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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 703

MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/5/2009 5:54:10 AM | message detail
Oh wow, PErsona 4 is in 3rd by about 200 votes. Wonder if it can hold on
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The Mana Sword | Posted 5/5/2009 5:55:25 AM | message detail
*looks at poll*

wut
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/5/2009 5:59:39 AM | message detail
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 5/5/2009 6:28:13 AM | message detail
SF4 makes it legit if noms opened up later, but this is a HORRIBLE performance. Street Fighter has easily been the most disappointing series of this contest.

This. Why did SF2 lose to Sonic 1 with ease again...?
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Smurf FAQs | Posted 5/5/2009 6:34:05 AM | message detail
Why was SF2 expected to do anything in that match is a better question. Sonic has always comfortably beaten Ryu and finished ahead of him in the series contests. With regards 4-ways Sonic is at his usual strength when no Nintendo options are present as with that poll. SF2 did as expected and will probably beat Sonic next round when the Nintendo brigade arrive.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/5/2009 7:00:47 AM | message detail
Well despite last night I should give Persona 4 some credit, I didn't think it would have 15% at this time.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/5/2009 7:06:14 AM | message detail
Its so pathetic that SF4 is losing the morning vote to a cult rpg. I wonder if Persona 4 will beat it during the asv too..
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/5/2009 7:35:10 AM | message detail
Seems like GTA is gonna be going up during the day due to the Crappy day votes of the two bottom feed games. Might hit 27%
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BDawg | Posted 5/5/2009 7:43:13 AM | message detail
Is Pokemon > Galaxy getting any play around here? It doesn't seems as impossible as it did at the beginning of the contest.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/5/2009 7:53:57 AM | message detail
If there was one Nintendo series that could SFF Pokemon it would be Mario.

DP > Galaxy is very unlikely, I'm even having doubts that it could defeat CoD4.
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Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 5/5/2009 8:05:32 AM | message detail
As a non-Pokemon player, are these games really that different? After the performance of the first 2, this one being the newest and also the #1 FAQ, I would expect it to win with ease here. If the story/game play of this one happens to be subpar, I can certainly see Mario taking it out though. I just don't know anything about Pokemon games, and assumed they were basically just updates with new pokemon added in.
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voltch | Posted 5/5/2009 8:17:26 AM | message detail
Oh YEAH!

3rd with + 12% was my dream target for a cult game and here it beats a million seller,I don't care what happens the game has made me proud to show that SFIV had nothing to do here,honestly a DS rep would have been cooler,Square and ninty with one each would have been awesome but noooo we placed a game that came bottom(well not quite),was honestly all SFIV did was make me lose points,GTAIV had it till the change,which made me put the fighter cos i'm stupid.
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The Mana Sword | Posted 5/5/2009 8:17:52 AM | message detail
Older Pokemon games run a lot more off nostalgia than anything else. People who played R/B/Y 10 years ago will vote for it today, but those same people might not have bothered with the new games, even if they aren't super different mechanically.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/5/2009 8:20:01 AM | message detail
As a non-Pokemon player, are these games really that different? Af'ter the performance of the first 2, this one being the newest and also the #1 FAQ, I would expect it to win with ease here. If the story/game play of this one happens to be subpar, I can certainly see Mario taking it out though. I just don't know anything about Pokemon games, and assumed they were basically just updates with new pokemon added in.

Nobody really plays the game for the story. I'd expect RSE to be the weakest as it was released during the high of Pokemon hate which means many people didn't give the game a try. From a battling perspective DPP added a lot and is praised for changing the metagame for the better, except for Flareon. Overall I see people having more apathy for DPP while RBY and GSC were loved at the time.

I wouldn't take it over Galaxy and CoD4 did get 40% on Galaxy duing the GotY though like Gears of War I wouldn't be surprised if that game has aged horribly.
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The Mana Sword | Posted 5/5/2009 8:21:45 AM | message detail
Actually I've heard that the DPP metagame is a downgrade from RSE, but I'm not really that into it so I don't know for sure.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/5/2009 8:26:08 AM | message detail
Actually I've heard that the DPP metagame is a downgrade from RSE, but I'm not really that into it so I don't know for sure.

How?

The Physical/Special split made unuseable Pokemon useable, though trying to battle with a RSE mindset is asking to get your ass kicked.
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The Mana Sword | Posted 5/5/2009 8:27:53 AM | message detail
Like I said, I don't know the specifics, you'd be better off asking someone who's into the competitive scenes. Just mentioning what I've heard.
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voltch | Posted 5/5/2009 8:30:27 AM | message detail
no,the D/P metagame is far better,it's just so radically different and loads of old favs got weaker which is why some hate it.

but really D/P is gonna have Palkia and Dialga,those two pokemon don't have the ring of a lugia/ho-oh/pikachu/charizard/blastoise.

I think Lucario's performance is a good indicator,just because he represens the new generation and i think G/S was strong because it's nostalgic and maintained Kanto so it's a nostalgic game,with lots of nostalgic moments in it.
Also the fact that the batteries died means the gamers who played em back in the day can't anymore,so it feels like a dream,thus more nostalga vote.

D/P represents something different new age and though pokemon hate has died out,i don't think it's got the love of the older fanbase which has outgrown and though it certainly doesn't hate it,this game doesn't attach you to it.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 5/5/2009 8:32:20 AM | message detail
How are people drawing the conclusions they do from this poll? Is there anything here to make people think the P4 is weaker than PW, or that GTA4 would lose to FFXII? If anything, this poll implies that the opposite is true in both cases.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/5/2009 8:43:42 AM | message detail

From: Mac Arrowny | #319
How are people drawing the conclusions they do from this poll? Is there anything here to make people think the P4 is weaker than PW, or that GTA4 would lose to FFXII? If anything, this poll implies that the opposite is true in both cases.


That's only if you assume Brawl to be stronger than Twilight Princess. The jury's still out in all these cases. Brawl will probably end this match with about 64% on GTA. TP ended it with 62% on FFXII. Right now, the more impressive (or unimpressive) performance is more a matter of personal opinion than anything else.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/5/2009 8:44:15 AM | message detail
C'mon Persona 4, hold out till the asv starts ... !
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paulg235 | Posted 5/5/2009 8:44:25 AM | message detail
Looks like P4 is starting to collapse.
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Biolizard28 | Posted 5/5/2009 8:49:34 AM | message detail
I'm just going to assume that this is the pure power of the fighting game fanbase on this site.

Holy hell, I had no idea casuals mattered that much.
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LordOfDabu | Posted 5/5/2009 9:00:44 AM | message detail
Well, this wasn't what I was expecting when I looked at the poll today. Is this because fighting fans think Brawl is the better fighter between the two?
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voltch | Posted 5/5/2009 9:02:51 AM | message detail
noooooo,SNES is where SF and brawl characters come from,this is basic SNES SFF.
i thought arcades might be enough for SF characters but obviously not.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 5/5/2009 9:04:30 AM | message detail
Does anyone still think CoD4 has a shot tomorrow, especially with TF2 sapping its votes?
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ffmasterjose | Posted 5/5/2009 9:04:59 AM | message detail
I'm hoping so.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/5/2009 9:05:32 AM | message detail

From: LordOfDabu | #324
Well, this wasn't what I was expecting when I looked at the poll today. Is this because fighting fans think Brawl is the better fighter between the two?


Among true fighting game fans, Smash Bros is a joke. But among casual fighting game fans...
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XxSoulxX | Posted 5/5/2009 9:07:42 AM | message detail
Holy hell, I had no idea casuals mattered that much.

You do know that 90% of the votes in these contests are from casuals, right?
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voltch | Posted 5/5/2009 9:11:08 AM | message detail
If we go by TF2 characters and Goty polls then TF2 is indeed a non factor,but does anyone else think that because the games are so radically different that they don't have much overlapping?

one is realistic the other not so much and loads of FPS fans seem to love the nitty gritty pretty graphics game.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/5/2009 9:19:56 AM | message detail
Actually the character polls are what makes me worry about it. Its not a character driven game, and if its characters can get 15%, whats to stop the game from getting 20% and seriously hurting Cod4?
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Lightning Strikes | Posted 5/5/2009 9:23:38 AM | message detail
Well, I said SFIV being added to the poll wouldn't change anything. Looks like I may have been wrong. It may well be weaker than TWEWY. Sigh.

But at least it's not as bad as Fire Emblem getting added!
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/5/2009 9:25:02 AM | message detail
SSBB - 50.00%
GTAIV - 37.35%
P4 - 24.74%
SFIV - 24.37%


LoZ: TP - 50.00%
HL2 - 39.80%
FFXII - 37.68%
PW - 22.57%

Remember that Brawl will go up throughout the day.
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Biolizard28 | Posted 5/5/2009 9:25:05 AM | message detail
From: XxSoulxX | #329
You do know that 90% of the votes in these contests are from casuals, right?

But THIS!?
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XxSoulxX | Posted 5/5/2009 9:26:28 AM | message detail
one is realistic the other not so much and loads of FPS fans seem to love the nitty gritty pretty graphics game.

You're ridiculous if you think people don't love TF2 as well.

Actually the character polls are what makes me worry about it. Its not a character driven game, and if its characters can get 15%, whats to stop the game from getting 20% and seriously hurting Cod4?

TF2 is one of those very rare games that actually has great characters and great gameplay.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 5/5/2009 9:27:20 AM | message detail
But THIS!?

Why not? GTA isn't that strong here, Persona is a joke, and SF isn't strong here.
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ffmasterjose | Posted 5/5/2009 9:30:29 AM | message detail
No one cares about Street Fighter anymore

*has SFII going too damn far*

DAMN! </Ron Simmons>

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voltch | Posted 5/5/2009 9:30:41 AM | message detail
of course people love TF2 it's different with it's own style,but nonetheless the average FPS fan is more used to the counter strike type of game.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/5/2009 9:33:58 AM | message detail
Hmm... I wonder if GTA4 will end doing better on Fallout 3 in the Multi poll, or SSBB here...
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/5/2009 9:35:32 AM | message detail
The way trends have been going, Super Mario Galaxy probably has a guaranteed 60% on Call of Duty 4. Yeah some say that Super Mario 64 disappointed in its match but it was one of the few games to break 50k votes. Looking at this though:

Super Mario Galaxy < Super Mario 64
Pokemon Diamond/Pearl > Kirby Super Star
Call of Duty 4 closer to Halo than, say, Gears of War or Half-Life
Call of Duty 4 > Castlevania: Symphony of the Night (more mainstream)

So yeah, it might be possible that Super Mario Galaxy wouldn't break 60% on Call of Duty 4. Right now, I'm assuming that Mario Galaxy will be weaker than Twilight Princess (it did lose to it in the Game of the Century poll after all).

Okay, another thing to note is Half-Life 2's vote total. It was the 2nd highest of all FPS games so far (being beaten by GoldenEye) as well as 2nd highest of PC games (with StarCraft narrowly edging it out). So here is how PC/Xbox games stand according to vote totals.

1. StarCraft
2. Half-Life 2
3. Diablo II
4. Oblivion
5. Halo

Half-Life 2 also managed a higher vote total than Final Fantasy IX, BTW.

Honorable Mentions for Vote Totals:
Highest Vote Total - Super Mario Bros. 3
Lowest Vote Total while still winning match - Oblivion
Highest Vote Total without winning match - Final Fantasy
Highest Vote Total without advancing - Final Fantasy XII
Highest Vote Total while being in last - Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Lowest Vote Total while advancing to next round - Ninja Gaiden?

And here are some things I'd like to know from earlier matches.

How was Metroid Prime the favorite against Grand Theft Auto: Vice City?
How was God of War the favorite against Oblivion?

Final Question: Is the Smash fanbase primarily Nintendo?
XxSoulxX | Posted 5/5/2009 9:39:31 AM | message detail
How was Metroid Prime the favorite against Grand Theft Auto: Vice City?

GTA always failing to live up to expectations in these contests. Plus, it's Metroid Prime. People expected that game to be somewhat close to Samus.

How was God of War the favorite against Oblivion?

Being Sony's killer franchise for the PS2/PSP, and us not having any idea how strong Oblivion would be.

Final Question: Is the Smash fanbase primarily Nintendo?

Yes.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 5/5/2009 9:41:24 AM | message detail
If SF4 is the favorite to place here, I might make it on the leaderboard for the first time! I have 89 points right now, and I have Brawl > GTA4 here.

Does anyone have the guru/BOP consensus for this match?
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/5/2009 9:48:39 AM | message detail
Brawl - 214 (99.07%)
Street Fighter 4 - 1 (0.46%)
Grand Theft Auto 4 - 1 (0.46%)

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Grand Theft Auto 4 - 128 (59.26%)
Street Fighter 4 - 83 (38.43%)
Persona 4 - 4 (1.85%)
Brawl - 1 (0.46%)


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XxSoulxX | Posted 5/5/2009 9:49:35 AM | message detail
Ah good, so it was split. That's what I was hoping to see!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 5/5/2009 9:55:00 AM | message detail
Pokemon Platinum is the #1 FAQ on the site right now, Pokemon Diamond is at #3.

If D/P bombs tomorrow, I'll fully expect everyone to chastise all the people who thought it had a remote prayer of advancing!
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/5/2009 9:56:38 AM | message detail
http://www.dorkclub.com/art/top25/25.html

Yeah, I felt like bringing this best games ever list from a long time ago in here.

Anyways, nothing much to say.
charmander6000 | Posted 5/5/2009 9:57:19 AM | message detail
Pokemon Platinum is the #1 FAQ on the site right now, Pokemon Diamond is at #3.

Pikachu > Fox because Ruby is the #1 FAQ!

If D/P bombs tomorrow, I'll fully expect everyone to chastise all the people who thought it had a remote prayer of advancing!

Or Galaxy SFF it to the ground, which IMO has the same chance as happening as DP advancing.
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ZFS | Posted 5/5/2009 9:58:37 AM | message detail
Man, you know you're no good when GTAIV is beating you by 12%.

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XxSoulxX | Posted 5/5/2009 10:00:07 AM | message detail
I think DP is going to finish in second here. DP is the second favorite in the Pokemon franchise, plus Platinum has brought a lot of Pokemon fans out of hiding. CoD4 is a strong game, but I don't see it being strong enough to hang with a strong Pokemon game.

As for Galaxy SFFing it, Pokemon hasn't been SFFed in a contest yet. It's the only Nintendo franchise that acts independently from other Nintendo franchises, which makes sense since it is pretty much a handheld franchise.
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The Mana Sword | Posted 5/5/2009 10:00:49 AM | message detail
Man, you know you're no good when GTAIV is beating you by 12%.

Quiet you.
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