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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 703

LeonhartFour | Posted 5/4/2009 10:22:59 PM | message detail
I'm not sold on DP being a lot weaker than GSC. It could challenge for first.

I'd be shocked if it was anywhere near Mario Galaxy.

I mean, I hate to bring up GOTY polls, but the game got owned by Phantom Hourglass. That's not the kind of game I'd put on the same tier with Mario Galaxy, to say the least.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/4/2009 10:23:26 PM | message detail

From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #150
CoD4 was pretty huge, and unlike Halo actually had a lot of support from the users here. I would take it easily over any Halo game and probably would peg it to be around RE4 strength, if not stronger.


That doesnt mean it won't be creamed by mario
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 5/4/2009 10:23:28 PM | message detail
Oh god don't start a religious discussion PLEASE.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/4/2009 10:23:46 PM | message detail
Half-Life 2 restores a little bit of my faith in Call of Duty 4, but right now there'd need to be ungodly huge SFF between Brawl and Galaxy to get CoD4 in second place.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/4/2009 10:24:07 PM | message detail

From: MarioSuperstar | Posted: 5/5/2009 1:23:28 AM | #153
Oh god don't start a religious discussion PLEASE.


Leon started it <_<;
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 5/4/2009 10:24:13 PM | message detail
And to Ulti, it's atheists like you that give the rest of us a bad name. Atheism and science are all about being open minded to possibilities, not trying to force your beliefs on others. You're no better than the fundamentalist theists you make fun of.
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 5/4/2009 10:24:40 PM | message detail
Well weve already seen what happens when we place Faith in DP because of Red/Blue's power.

Needless to say, it didnt end well.
creativename | Posted 5/4/2009 10:24:59 PM | message detail
Nothing. I seriously doubt anyone in the topic that had been arguing for Persona would've been rubbing it in everyone elses' faces. We all knew it was an extreme longshot that would've panned through by ridiculous circumstances and luck.

Oh come on just stop it. I hate to go back to this but what are you doing now? If you knew it was a silly argument then you should've noted that in your posts, and not argued with people who agreed with what you actually believed.

What you were doing was just wasting people's time, which is far worse than making a fanboy pick. If you had just manned up and admitted how horribly wrong you were and how silly you arguments were nobody would be bugging you (well maybe BT would but nobody else).
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/4/2009 10:25:33 PM | message detail
oh wait, does turtle mean 1st in round 2? Since I dont' even think it'll get there >_>
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syco_coaster | Posted 5/4/2009 10:25:39 PM | message detail
Naw my Lol persona was directed mostly at Fayt, who claimed that support for GTA4 was ridiculous and argued it to no end.

And I'm liking this BT guy, he seems like one of the users who can put his own bias' behind him when talking in a stats topic.

That's the end of my deal. Now; on to something I have no clue about: Who were the safe second picks for the next two matches? I've got CoD4 and LBP, but now I'm pretty much convinced that LBP was the stupidest pick in my whole bracket (two PS3 exclusives? what were you thinking?) Some are saying Pokemon will destroy CoD4, some are saying Galaxy in first isn't even going to happen. We've seen pokemon do incredibly well so far, but there's gonna be some SFF with 2 nintendo games, so I think CoD4 is the safest pick there.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/4/2009 10:26:23 PM | message detail
And I'm liking this BT guy, he seems like one of the users who can put his own bias' behind him when talking in a stats topic.

XFD
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 5/4/2009 10:26:25 PM | message detail
I'm STILL not seeing where all of this Galaxy faith is coming from. We already saw all new Nintendo except Brawl bomb, what makes you think Galaxy will be a contender? I can't see it being stronger than TP, and it has Pokemon to deal with. CoD4 should be as strong as RE4 and is unhindered.

Either way, it will be a lot closer than a lot of you are thinking.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/4/2009 10:26:41 PM | message detail
If you knew it was a silly argument then you should've noted that in your posts

...I did? Multiple times? Where were you?


Pokemon is easily the kind of game people wouldn't vote for in a GotY poll but would vote for in one of these contests. Put Diamond up against Phantom Hourglass in one of these and it would be a slaughter.

1st place is probably pushing it, but I think 2nd is easily possible.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/4/2009 10:26:54 PM | message detail
CoD4 should be as strong as RE4 and is unhindered.

TF2 should hurt CoD4 mroe then Pokemon hurts galaxy
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 5/4/2009 10:27:48 PM | message detail
Safe bet is on Galaxy > CoD and MGS4 > Fallout

Although I think CoD has a shot at first and Halo 3 definitely has a shot at second despite Halo and Halo 2 jobbing.
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 5/4/2009 10:28:01 PM | message detail
Speaking of obvious trolling, when did you become so annoying? Go back to self-pleasuring to Tron Bonne pictures or something, at least it keeps you away from everyone else.


hahahahhahahahahah

This is easily the most ignorant post I've read in Message Board history.

You've obviously never read that I hate that kind of thing, but you're just making yourself look like a giant buffoon by trying to "call me out" on something I've been strongly against since the beginning of time. Yes, Tron Bonne's a favorite character of mine. That doesn't mean a thing else wise. Hell you don't see me trying to insult you on baseless claims do you?

Wow. That was mind-bogglingly bad.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 5/4/2009 10:28:09 PM | message detail
CoD4 should be as strong as RE4 and is unhindered.

Forgot about TF2 already? Also, other shooters have bombed horribly.
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transience | Posted 5/4/2009 10:28:11 PM | message detail
And I'm liking this BT guy, he seems like one of the users who can put his own bias' behind him when talking in a stats topic.

hahaha this is amazing, I like this guy
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/4/2009 10:28:49 PM | message detail
Leon started it <_<;

Don't blame this on me! I didn't want to argue about this here! I'd gladly discuss this with you in a more appropriate setting.
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transience | Posted 5/4/2009 10:28:56 PM | message detail
also if this is gonna turn into a three-way argument about god, trolling and Persona I'll see you all at 704
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 5/4/2009 10:28:59 PM | message detail

From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #162
We already saw all new Nintendo except Brawl bomb


what makes people think today's performance is anything more than expectations being followed?
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 5/4/2009 10:29:02 PM | message detail

From: Masato_Tanaka | #166
Speaking of obvious trolling, when did you become so annoying? Go back to self-pleasuring to Tron Bonne pictures or something, at least it keeps you away from everyone else.


hahahahhahahahahah

This is easily the most ignorant post I've read in Message Board history.

You've obviously never read that I hate that kind of thing, but you're just making yourself look like a giant buffoon by trying to "call me out" on something I've been strongly against since the beginning of time. Yes, Tron Bonne's a favorite character of mine. That doesn't mean a thing else wise. Hell you don't see me trying to insult you on baseless claims do you?

Wow. That was mind-bogglingly bad.


Ha, talk about hypocritical
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/4/2009 10:29:37 PM | message detail
Okay, time to predict tomorrow's match.

We've got the best game of this generation, the best multiplayer title of this generation (actually, make that 2nd best, after Brawl), more stupid Pokemon, and another great multiplayer title. Now, let's start out with the losers. Team Fortress 2 stands no chance here, and it will be killed by Call of Duty 4. Similarly, Pokemon Diamond/Pearl will take on an SFF beating. Okay, so other Pokemon games looked good, but Pokemon Red/Blue was possibly dealing with STF and Gold/Silver certainly was (sole Nintendo game in its poll), and Diamond/Pearl is not only dealing with a universally-loved Nintendo title, but perhaps the best one Nintendo has cooked up since Ocarina of Time. Call of Duty 4 takes 2nd easily, with its short but sweet campaign and awesomely addicting multiplayer. Super Mario Galaxy, with all of its neat physics that make for an interesting take on a 3d Mario platformer, not to mention the return of Mario staples such as the Super Mushroom and Fire Flower, will take first place with ease. So, the main things to look out for are how Call of Duty 4 stands in relation to other PC games (with StarCraft, Half-Life 2, Diablo II, Oblivion, and Halo being top 5 right now in that order), and for how Super Mario Galaxy stands in relation for other Nintendo games of the last two generations. Twilight Princess and both Smash Bros. games have done very well, but Wind Waker and our critically acclaimed 3d Metroid title have both flopped. Super Mario Galaxy has franchise voting on its side (yay strongest franchise on this site aside from Legend of Zelda and Final Fantasy!), so hopefully it can smash some booty and show that it's the favorite against Brawl (not that that would be good for my bracket!). Let loose the dogs of hell!

Prediction: Super Mario Galaxy > Call of Duty 4
Call of Duty 4 - 30%
Pokemon Diamond/Pearl - 13%
Super Mario Galaxy - 40%
Team Fortress 2 - 17%
Masato_Tanaka | Posted 5/4/2009 10:29:38 PM | message detail
also if this is gonna turn into a three-way argument about god, trolling and Persona I'll see you all at 704

You can at least say it's not dull.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 5/4/2009 10:30:04 PM | message detail

From: MarioSuperstar | #171
what makes people think today's performance is anything more than expectations being followed?


After seeing TP, Metroid Prime and other New Nintendo completely ass it up, following expectations is pretty damn good.
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HaRRicH | Posted 5/4/2009 10:30:22 PM | message detail
All we need is ASCII, and the CS&D-topics wouldn't even hit 704.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 5/4/2009 10:31:01 PM | message detail
also if this is gonna turn into a three-way argument about god, trolling and Persona I'll see you all at 704

XD
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/4/2009 10:31:06 PM | message detail
God, Persona, and trolling is good, but I think we can do better.

World of Warcraft can take 1st next round

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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 5/4/2009 10:31:20 PM | message detail
Ha, talk about hypocritical

I love one-liners that don't tell me anything.
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syco_coaster | Posted 5/4/2009 10:31:31 PM | message detail
MGS4 and Fallout aren't in the same bracket.

Portal or Bioshock? Someone make a compelling argument for either one. Or make one for LBP; I don't think I could.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 5/4/2009 10:32:18 PM | message detail
Answer this

We'll assume Galaxy ~= Brawl, what percentage would you have CoD4 at here today? It would have at least 30%, if not more. If Pokemon stands up to Galaxy, CoD has a very realistic shot at taking first both this round and next round.
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creativename | Posted 5/4/2009 10:32:20 PM | message detail
Odd time to have a religious discussion. I'll say that I'm atheist, but I tend to prefer religious people on the whole. In my experience they tend to be better people with better morals.

Atheists online though are pretty irritating I've found.

I remember having a conversation where someone said in Britain, there's thousands who list their religion as "Jedi". I'd probably list mine as "Sith" :p

Anyway I'm not sure how tomorrow's match should go down. Galaxy shouldn't struggle but I don't know if Pokemon will reflect the strength of the other games and beat CoD4. CoD4's range is somewhat large too - it might not do well, though I think it will do OK.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/4/2009 10:32:35 PM | message detail

From: BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted: 5/5/2009 1:24:13 AM | #156
And to Ulti, it's atheists like you that give the rest of us a bad name. Atheism and science are all about being open minded to possibilities, not trying to force your beliefs on others. You're no better than the fundamentalist theists you make fun of.


Yet another failure trolling attempt. I'm not close to an atheist. I think God exists, but he's too far beyond the realm of conventional human thinking to base your life on. Frankly, I think any man claiming to know the will of an omnipotent being is an idiot.

Which isn't to say religion is bad by any means. A good message where we teach love and compassion for all living things, and to live a good life is one of the best results of the human spirit. That is God; he lives in all of us. But taking this message and putting it into a classroom or a court of law or (*shudder*) politics is supremely ****ing stupid, especially when war gets involved. Military graves around the world are packed with brainwashed, dead soldiers convinced God was on their side. If we pray to destroy our enemies and our enemies pray to destroy us, someone is wasting their time.

And this is only one example of greedy-ass, idiotic people ruining what the real point of God is supposed to be. Some people only think life is sacred when they get to pick and choose what lives or dies, which goes against virtually everything Jesus taught his people.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 5/4/2009 10:33:07 PM | message detail

From: Masato_Tanaka | #179
Ha, talk about hypocritical

I love one-liners that don't tell me anything.


You were insulting Ulti, after giving me crap for insulting you.

It's hilarious.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 5/4/2009 10:33:09 PM | message detail
After seeing TP, Metroid Prime and other New Nintendo completely ass it up

We haven't had a games contest in 5 years and GoTY polls aren't reliable for ANYTHING. Unless SMG comes close to losing to CoD4 or something, it's a tossup.

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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 5/4/2009 10:33:30 PM | message detail
Did you guys seriously not see me getting on red's case not too long ago about his obsession with Pokemon?

Geez.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/4/2009 10:34:04 PM | message detail
The expectations today weren't high because we've been watching everything New Nintendo and Brawl especially disappoint for months. That Brawl is meeting these repeatedly lowered expectations isn't impressive, though I do think it's stronger than Galaxy just from personal expectations.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/4/2009 10:34:17 PM | message detail
Let's thrown in a good old fashioned MELEE > BRAWL for good measure.
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 5/4/2009 10:35:16 PM | message detail
You were insulting Ulti, after giving me crap for insulting you.

It's hilarious.


I hardly call setting the record straight "insulting Ulti"

But you can't tell me that post of his didn't make him come off as ignorant.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/4/2009 10:35:18 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | Posted: 5/5/2009 1:28:49 AM | #169
Leon started it <_<;

Don't blame this on me! I didn't want to argue about this here! I'd gladly discuss this with you in a more appropriate setting.


We talk about it on AIM all the time. The answer is always "faith".
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/4/2009 10:35:25 PM | message detail
Since when did Twilight Princess bomb? Then again, maybe you guys are saying it bombed for not breaking 40% or ending up surprising close to Half-Life 2. Well...

-I stupidly picked HL2 to win that match in my bracket (big whoops)
-Twilight Princess has managed higher vote totals than stuff like GoldenEye, Final Fantasy VI, Resident Evil 4, Kingdom Hearts, and other strong games. I didn't know a 49k performance was called bombing!

More predictions for round 2:
Metal Gear Solid 3 > Tales of Symphonia
Zelda: Twilight Princess > Resident Evil 4

Favorites for those matches:
Metal Gear Solid 3 > Oblivion
Resident Evil 4 > Half-Life 2
RPGuy96 | Posted 5/4/2009 10:35:42 PM | message detail
I'm pretty confused as to how this or TP is a disappointing performance.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 5/4/2009 10:35:46 PM | message detail
Oh, don't get me wrong, I think organized religion is extremely stupid for those very reasons (and more), but far be it for me to tell people what to think. The way things are going nowadays, organized religion will be dead within 200 years. The world is simply progressing to quickly for archaic philosophies and ideals to hold up.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/4/2009 10:36:04 PM | message detail

From: Masato_Tanaka | Posted: 5/5/2009 1:35:16 AM | #189
You were insulting Ulti, after giving me crap for insulting you.

It's hilarious.


I hardly call setting the record straight "insulting Ulti"

But you can't tell me that post of his didn't make him come off as ignorant.


"You're annoying" is anything but ignorant. Go away.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 5/4/2009 10:36:17 PM | message detail
Though that begs the question of which fourpack is stronger - Disgaea, SFF'd Wind Waker and SFF'd Fire Emblem or P4, SFIV and GTA4.
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 5/4/2009 10:36:23 PM | message detail
Let's thrown in a good old fashioned MELEE > BRAWL for good measure.

Haha, still a terrible argument, when Brawl is essentially a fine-tuned Melee with more stuff.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/4/2009 10:36:33 PM | message detail
...It's 1:30 EST and we're plowing through this stats topic like crazy.

I think I'll do what I should've done an hour ago and quietly exit stage left.

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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 5/4/2009 10:36:37 PM | message detail
I see once agian the crap hit the fan

Ill be on my way out now
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/4/2009 10:36:44 PM | message detail
I'll just say that religion is a lot more than just a code of morals and ethics (at least Christianity is), and...

Frankly, I think any man claiming to know the will of an omnipotent being is an idiot.

I guess I'm an idiot then.

Anyway, I don't really like discussing things like this in a setting like this. It's not really conducive to it. Let's just move on, and if you want to talk about it more, just IM me or something.
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