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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 702

voltch | Posted 5/4/2009 2:13:01 PM | message detail
the SF games draw their popularity from the cast really,but are the likes of Ryu/ken/chun-li more associated with the Arcade or the SNES?if it's the latter then i can see nintendo's cast ripping it apart.
Persona 4 just stands out though,every anime fan's gonna back it as will this board.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 5/4/2009 2:16:37 PM | message detail
Persona 4 just stands out though,every anime fan's gonna back it as will this board.

And it's the only RPG in the poll.
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MnMZero | Posted 5/4/2009 2:18:23 PM | message detail
Also, since when does SSBB get its popularity from being a fighting game more than it does from being an orgy of Nintendo fan service? I mean of course there's a huge fighting meta-game within it, but I don't see a huge "fighting game overlap" between SSB and SF among fans. If anything, I think the overlap comes from Brawl simply being that much more popular overall. And that's something that probably hurts all of the games.

And really, I think SF4 only needs to deal with GTA4. I don't see Persona serving as any threat to Street Fighter regardless of Brawl. Where is everyone getting the notion that Persona is a threat from?
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Big Bob | Posted 5/4/2009 2:19:21 PM | message detail
By another Cult RPG beating the most popular GTA game a week ago.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/4/2009 2:20:00 PM | message detail
Persona 4 has about the same "Own it" on Mygames as both versions of Street Fighter 4, along with a higher user average.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 5/4/2009 2:20:25 PM | message detail
I think SF4 only needs to deal with GTA4. I don't see Persona serving as any threat to Street Fighter regardless of Brawl. Where is everyone getting the notion that Persona is a threat from?

After seeing what Tales of Symphonia did, I think that Persona 4 has a chance. And again, it's the only RPG in the poll.
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voltch | Posted 5/4/2009 2:22:35 PM | message detail
if jobber tales can beat the GTA game we all love how do you think the game everyone loves(tales did split people) will do against the GTA game most people don't give a damn about.
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Draco1214 | Posted 5/4/2009 2:24:01 PM | message detail
SF4's main opponent is GTA...the strongest game in that series got last place in a poll where it was overwhelmingly favored to win. GTA hasn't done crap in these things and I don't think SF4 needs much to advance.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/4/2009 2:24:46 PM | message detail
FACT or FICTION: Tales of Symphonia > Halo 2.

FACT. I damn well wouldn't take Halo 2 over San Andreas.


FACT or FICTION: World of Warcraft > Diablo 2 > Starcraft.

FICTION. D2>WoW>SC.


FACT or FICTION: The division will end with Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess > Metal Gear Solid 3.

FICTION. RE4 or KHII would beat it. Maybe Half-Life 2.


FACT or FICTION: FFX will not SFF KH in R2 or R3.

FICTION. There will be overlap.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/4/2009 2:25:47 PM | message detail
And anyone thinking Persona 4 won't be a threat...

ToS>P4.

But SA>>GTAIV.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/4/2009 2:26:00 PM | message detail
Right now the safe money is likely on SSBB > SF4. But its not impossible that Persona 4 advances. Anyone who doesn't give it a chance obviously didn't see ToS.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 5/4/2009 2:27:40 PM | message detail
FACT or FICTION: Tales of Symphonia > Halo 2.
FACT or FICTION: World of Warcraft > Diablo 2 > Starcraft.
FACT or FICTION: The division will end with Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess > Metal Gear Solid 3.
FACT or FICTION: FFX will not SFF KH in R2 or R3.


FACT: I probably wouldn't take Halo 2 to beat San Andreas.
FICTION: Switch D2 woth WoW and we're good.
FICTION: I think RE4 has a chance.
FICTION: There will be overlap.
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creativename | Posted 5/4/2009 2:28:01 PM | message detail
Persona was one of two games in the bracket I'd never heard of. It's not going to get the respect that other games did based off media attention. Persona will be quite weak. And Brawl will wreck this poll.

GTA and SF4 could flop hard yet still finish comfortably ahead of Persona.
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voltch | Posted 5/4/2009 2:29:13 PM | message detail
after seeing SFII job to Sonic of all games and the indifference towards GTAIV,i mean look at how GTAIV did in the GotY poll,if anything games that did well do worse and GTA didn't exactly cover itself in glory,P4's honestly got a shot(though i got SFIV advancing),but yeah it's got that kirby standout factor.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/4/2009 2:30:12 PM | message detail
What are you talking about? Considering it's a PS2 game released in 2008, both Persona 3 and 4 got a lot of attention. P3 won RPG GotY in many places and P4 got 9+ scores across the board.

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Chaotic Mind | Posted 5/4/2009 2:30:15 PM | message detail

From: voltch | #107
if jobber tales can beat the GTA game we all love how do you think the game everyone loves(tales did split people) will do against the GTA game most people don't give a damn about.


I'm fairly sure Tales is more well-known in the mainstream. And TOS was the only Nintendo/kiddy option. Persona 4 is not, and it also has the problem of being released on a system that's all but dead.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/4/2009 2:30:53 PM | message detail

From: creativename | #113
Persona was one of two games in the bracket I'd never heard of. It's not going to get the respect that other games did based off media attention. Persona will be quite weak. And Brawl will wreck this poll.

GTA and SF4 could flop hard yet still finish comfortably ahead of Persona.


What was the other game you'd never heard of? And You will be quite surprised, its as close to a ToS we've had in recent years, in terms of a incredibly popular cult rpg on gamefaqs
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HaRRicH | Posted 5/4/2009 2:30:56 PM | message detail
I think Persona 4 is an upset-pick that's simply getting a lot of attention since RPGs and especially ToS have done well. Its GotY-showing this past year doesn't warrant this kind of pick, however, though GotY-polls haven't stopped several games games yet...

...it's all about SF4/GTA4 for me though, and I like GTA4. SF2 bombed and -- loyalty be damned -- SF4's not going to match SF2. That's not a very high mark for GTA4 to hit, and maybe being the most recent GTA actually helps (though it's not like we'll easily ever be able to tell, so I hope I-told-you-so rants by the likes of BT will be spared if GTA4 does win, especially since GTA4 is the favorite anyway). It doesn't hurt that SSBB is in the poll, either, though I don't really agree with the theory of SSBB bothering SF4 much.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 5/4/2009 2:31:20 PM | message detail
Persona was one of two games in the bracket I'd never heard of. It's not going to get the respect that other games did based off media attention. Persona will be quite weak.

Anecdotal evidence? Well I'm convinced.
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MnMZero | Posted 5/4/2009 2:31:30 PM | message detail
Oblivion and Tales of Symphonia aren't cult. Tales of Symphonia is one of the best RPGs on a system starved of them and got plenty of attention. It battled MP2 for GotY and easily beat out Paper Mario 2 and everything else in the poll. Oblivion has a solid base across 3 systems and has always performed well in polls on this site.

I know non-contest polls shouldn't be taken as bond, but... what has Persona done? Dominate a GotY poll for a system with few releases before performing lacklusterly in the final poll? I know doing well in a GotY poll doesn't translate to contest success, but when has a game that performed poorly in a similar poll done well? That's an honest question, as I haven't exactly looked and am interested in the answer!
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/4/2009 2:32:30 PM | message detail
Persona 4 has about the same "Own it" on Mygames as both versions of Street Fighter 4, along with a higher user average.

TES IV: Oblivion - 3566 (PS3 + 360 + PC)
GTA: San Andreas - 2678 (PS2 + Xbox + PC)
Tales of Symphonia - 1832 (GC + PS2)
God of War - 1280 (PS2)

>_>

They don't matter
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 5/4/2009 2:32:53 PM | message detail
FACT or FICTION: Tales of Symphonia > Halo 2.

Fiction. Tales benefitted from being a very standoutish game in it's poll.

FACT or FICTION: World of Warcraft > Diablo 2 > Starcraft.

I still think Starcraft > Diablo, but I want to see round 2 before making a decision here.

FACT or FICTION: The division will end with Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess > Metal Gear Solid 3.

Fiction. It will be the winner of RE4/KH2.

FACT or FICTION: FFX will not SFF KH in R2 or R3.

Fiction. We've already seen Sora SFF and get SFF'd by Final Fantasy characters, and FFX overlaps a lot more with Sora than Aeris or Squall.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/4/2009 2:33:03 PM | message detail
Also don't forget Persona 4 is actually the best selling Atlus game ever. It has sold 600k, which is very good for a non FF RPG.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 5/4/2009 2:34:21 PM | message detail
And while not as bad as Earthbound advancing, this Persona 4 advancing idea is ridiculous. I'd never even heard of the game until the GotY poll.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/4/2009 2:35:29 PM | message detail
Considering how Persona 4 won GotY on Board 8, both of you must've picked some nice rocks to crawl under for a while.

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charmander6000 | Posted 5/4/2009 2:36:20 PM | message detail
And while not as bad as Earthbound advancing, this Persona 4 advancing idea is ridiculous. I'd never even heard of the game until the GotY poll.

Maybe people are suffering from "weak" game fear?
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creativename | Posted 5/4/2009 2:36:32 PM | message detail
Anecdotal evidence? Well I'm convinced.

Interested in a sig bet then? I say Persona gets under 16.5%.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/4/2009 2:37:19 PM | message detail
And unlike some of the Board 8 fad games, Persona 4 is actually very well respected among gaming sites, too.

http://www.gamerankings.com/ps2/945498-shin-megami-tensei-persona-4/index.html
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/4/2009 2:38:06 PM | message detail
I mean, seriously. There are some games you should know about just by virtue of being on Board 8. People wouldn't shut up about Persona 3: FES, and then they wouldn't shut up about Persona 4 (especially when the 9+ review started rolling in), and then it beat Brawl for GotY in match that scored like 100 votes, pretty good for a board contest.

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MnMZero | Posted 5/4/2009 2:38:26 PM | message detail
Are you bringing up GotY on Board 8 as serious evidence?

And I hope that crawling from under a rock wasn't pointed at me. I know very well what Persona is. Still don't see much pointing it to it being popular enough on this site to beat out a GTA and SF game. Symphonia is a different case altogether.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/4/2009 2:38:47 PM | message detail
Since we love to use GotY polls for whatever reason...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2985
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MnMZero | Posted 5/4/2009 2:39:42 PM | message detail
Ha, didn't see BT's post. I guess I rescind the question of whether crawling from under a rock was pointed at me!
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/4/2009 2:39:54 PM | message detail
It was directed at creative and BT, and how ridiculous their anecdotal evidence is. Persona 4 could be very weak, but "I've never heard of it" is not the way to go, especially here.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/4/2009 2:40:31 PM | message detail
Persona 3 would get stomped, I don't think anyone is debating this.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/4/2009 2:40:41 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #131
Since we love to use GotY polls for whatever reason...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2985


http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3352
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HaRRicH | Posted 5/4/2009 2:42:06 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3363

Countered!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/4/2009 2:42:58 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3363&region=ASI

Hah, Persona 4 beat SSBB in Asia in that poll. We might have Persona 4 in first in Asia tomorrow!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 5/4/2009 2:43:46 PM | message detail
Interested in a sig bet then? I say Persona gets under 16.5%.

Oh no, I have no faith in Persona whatsoever. It's just that your argument isn't convincing.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/4/2009 2:44:23 PM | message detail
Either way, the board vote will be fun to watch (if people can get their minds out of their BRACKETS for a change!).

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voltch | Posted 5/4/2009 2:44:34 PM | message detail
yaaaaa,no one fell for my fake P4 hype,oh well even if it is the best game 12% is what it's aiming for really,15% at best,but with brawl taking up anything between 36 and 48% i wonder how things will pan out.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/4/2009 2:45:40 PM | message detail
Anyway, I don't take 10 way goty polls very seriously. The fanbases are all thrown around, who knows how strong the games really are.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/4/2009 2:45:44 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3352

lol no competition. Persona 3 (though 4 should be stronger) got crushed by God of War II, I would be shocked if Persona 4 did anything unless Brawl is going for 60%.
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voltch | Posted 5/4/2009 2:47:57 PM | message detail
come to think of it for that GoTY poll there were 2 square RPGs and P4 wasn't released in europe,it got 4k from 90,i say 16k votes ought to be good enough.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/4/2009 2:49:19 PM | message detail
but when has a game that performed poorly in a similar poll done well? That's an honest question, as I haven't exactly looked and am interested in the answer!

Uh...let's see.

SotC: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2247
ToS: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1870
KHII (at least compared to how it did in its matchO: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2622
MGS3: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2622

I'm sure there are others. It isn't that uncommon.

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charmander6000 | Posted 5/4/2009 2:51:09 PM | message detail
Can we all agree that GotY polls are useless and won't give us any insight of what will happen.
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Ultimaphazon | Posted 5/4/2009 2:51:49 PM | message detail
I won't be surprised if Brawl pulls 50% in that poll, which gives Persona or SF4 somewhat of a shot. And I still think GTA4 will bomb to hell and back, but we'll see.
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HaRRicH | Posted 5/4/2009 2:52:21 PM | message detail
Yeah, but then look at Netherlands...that could get brutal for Persona 4!


Pretty much, I need reason to believe why a game that got 37.33% on FO3 in the multi-GotY from January should lose to a game that got 19.67% on FO3 in the overall-GotY from January. Persona's expected to get 34.51% right now and GTA4 can't easily be anti-voted in this format, too. That's a big gap suggested by recent and relevant polls. ToS > GTA:SA aside, I don't see why Persona 4 is close to either of them or GTA4.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 5/4/2009 2:53:08 PM | message detail
That's Subsistence for MGS3, not really a fair way of comparing it. I'd much rather just go with using Okami's performance from that very same poll.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/4/2009 2:54:58 PM | message detail
If you throw out MGS: Substance, then Persona 3: FES should be thrown out against God of War 2. They're both directors cuts.
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voltch | Posted 5/4/2009 2:55:03 PM | message detail
P4 only has a shot if in the short time since that Goty more word of mouth has spread,though i don't think it's EU release will help it,people have a thing against games where your standing still,hitting,then get hit,it's the most common reason for people not liking RPGs.
i reckon of the bottom 3 EU might favour a fighting game,the publicity for DCvsMK and SFIV has been huge.
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