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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 701

ffmasterjose | Posted 5/3/2009 6:34:24 PM | message detail
(presumably KH2 > MGS3 after seeing FFX defeat MGS2 soundly and both Kingdom Hearts games impress)

Eh, there are a couple factors in play that make it difficult to really make that analogy, at least I think so. MGS2 and MGS3 seem like two different entities in terms of strength, with 3 being above 2 by a good solid amount. I would go as far to say that MGS2 is the least popular of the series (even though I wuv it). And FFX and KHII seem to follow that same vein, with X being above KHII by more than a good solid amount.

tl;dr: I'd take MGS3 over KHII

>_>

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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/3/2009 6:49:14 PM | message detail
Wow, look at all the SotC whining on the board today. Most I've seen in the contest so far!

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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/3/2009 6:50:49 PM | message detail
Do you guys think that KH2 will complete its comeback?

With 2 hours and 10 minutes left?
UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/3/2009 6:52:33 PM | message detail
No, it's been losing by 650 for like 38 hours.
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ffmasterjose | Posted 5/3/2009 6:57:56 PM | message detail
No way Jose!
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 5/3/2009 7:00:54 PM | message detail
lol MC Chris in the first post
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/3/2009 7:02:33 PM | message detail
Wow, KHII is doing much better than I thought. I'd feel awfully silly if I had RE4 to the finals right now! MGS3 vs. RE4 might be a good match after all!

And yeah, looks like FFXII will be just fine tomorrow. Heck, it might even be BEATING RE4 right now, if FFXII > KHII still holds (and I don't know why it wouldn't. What reason does KHII have to suddenly become stronger than FFXII?).

I also think it's funny that people seem to be drawing the wrong conclusions about this match. We say KHII might be in trouble because it lost to FFXII which struggled against GeoW. And now we're saying KHII > FFXII because of how well it's doing here. It's like people insist on FFXII sucking no matter what! It's not as hated as you think! It's just that people like LtM are too vocal about it and so people started to believe the game's hated!

By the way, Phoenix Wright's revenge tomorrow! PW > HL2, book it
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/3/2009 7:05:13 PM | message detail
Heck, it might even be BEATING RE4 right now, if FFXII > KHII still holds (and I don't know why it wouldn't. What reason does KHII have to suddenly become stronger than FFXII?).

KHII was outdone by Gears of War in those GotY polls. Not to mention that KH is more accepted on this site as time goes on while FFXII probably decreases over time.

KHII would smash FFXII.

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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/3/2009 7:06:05 PM | message detail
Judging by current contest results, it seems evident that the games that are big on GameFAQs are different from the games that are big in the mainstream.
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/3/2009 7:08:19 PM | message detail
Also, we don't need a Last Place Factor for Gears of War. We need an XBox Games Suck Whenever Microsoft Isn't Hyping Them Factor!

XGSWMIHTF!

Has a nice ring to it!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/3/2009 7:13:48 PM | message detail
KHII was outdone by Gears of War in those GotY polls. Not to mention that KH is more accepted on this site as time goes on while FFXII probably decreases over time.

KHII would smash FFXII.


You can keep telling yourself that if you want to, but there's absolutely no reason to believe it other than the fact that everyone's deluded themselves into believing people hate FFXII.

Heck, I bet FFXII would've wrecked Gears of War one-on-one in 2006. TP sucking up over 50% of the vote in that GOTY poll made it abnormally close.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/3/2009 7:14:01 PM | message detail
Xbox Games That Aren't WRPGS Suck Whenever Microsoft Isn't Hyping Them Factor



...You mean
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MetricTrout | Posted 5/3/2009 7:18:03 PM | message detail
I think Phoenix Wright has a realistic chance at taking second tomorrow, given how Twilight Princess should drain almost half of the votes and how weak the other 2 games are. If it ends up close near the end, the Internet is not going to let Phoenix lose.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 5/3/2009 7:19:28 PM | message detail
PW taking 2nd is too awesome of a result. Something like that would never happen
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PegasusLover123 | Posted 5/3/2009 7:24:23 PM | message detail
I wouldn't say "never" considering how ToS snuck by God of War and GTA:SA to advance. You never know what will happen.
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ZFS | Posted 5/3/2009 7:25:23 PM | message detail
Yep. Leon's got the right idea here. People were eager to point out that GotY poll to prove why KH2 couldn't win here, now we've flipped it around where it means nothing (good call) and FFXII would get smashed (bad call until we see what happens tomorrow).

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The n00b Avenger | Posted 5/3/2009 7:27:01 PM | message detail
Yeah but ToS winning is not an awesome result that game is the most overrated RPG not made by Square.

PW is an awesome result so it won't happen
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MetricTrout | Posted 5/3/2009 7:36:12 PM | message detail
Remember, Phoenix Wright scored a respectable 41.8% on Gordon Freeman in 2006. Since then, Phoenix Wright should have gotten stronger, with a few more games under his belt. Not to mention that Phoenix Wright is a word-of-mouth game whose popularity should grow naturally due to time. And this is 4-way format, which favors dedicated fanbases.

Given how badly Half-Life 1 did, that FF12 should be FF5-like levels of weak, that Twilight Princess should drain almost half of the votes here, and strong performances from games like Tales of Symphonia, Okami, and Shadow of the Colossus... I think a Phoenix Wright upset is definitely feasible.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/3/2009 7:37:35 PM | message detail
I'm thinking Phoenix Wright is one of those character >> games situations, but I hope I'm wrong.
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MetricTrout | Posted 5/3/2009 7:45:35 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1443

Whoa, I had no idea how weak FF5 was.

FF12 is definitely stronger than that. Not much stronger, but still stronger.
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ZFS | Posted 5/3/2009 7:47:37 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2593

I'd say 'significantly stronger' applies here.

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red sox 777 | Posted 5/3/2009 7:47:47 PM | message detail
Well, Phoenix the character put up almost 19% on Liquid/Luigi/Bowser, all midcarders as of last year. Granted, there was LFF there, but that pack seems to be of fairly comparable strength to tonight's, if you don't think much of any of TP/FFXII/HL2 as I do.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/3/2009 7:49:35 PM | message detail
Match XXVIII: Final Fantasy XII vs. Half-Life 2 vs. Phoenix Wright vs. LoZ: Twilight Princess

Information:

Name: Final Fantasy XII
Year: 2006
System: PS2
Top 100 Placing: N/A

Name: Half-Life 2
Year: 2004
System: PC
Top 100 Placing: 25th

Name: Phoenix Wright
Year: 2005
System: DS
Top 100 Placing: N/A

Name: LoZ: Twilight Princess
Year: 2006
System: GC, Wii
Top 100 Placing: N/A

Analysis

The final match of the division gives us something to talk about; we have a contender for the third favourite Zelda game, a Final Fantasy that wasn’t as well received as others, the game that put an end to GFNW and one of board 8’s favourite game relative to the outside world. This contest seems to have shifted on more RPG oriented games than others giving many genres a terrible blow.

While I believe that Twilight Princess is being overrated by the board it should still take first place in this match with ease. I do believe that Twilight Princess is the third strongest Zelda game, but I would rank it closer to Wind Waker and the original than to Link to the Past. It would take a major flopping for it to lose first place, but a bad performance here could bite Twilight Princess in the butt in a few rounds.

Like many board favourite games I don’t expect Phoenix Wright to have much strength and will come in last. However with the recent performance of weaker games having unexpected strength Phoenix Wright may follow suit. I can’t even use the argument that handhelds tend to be weaker because four out of the five that we’ve seen so far have made it to round 2 in an impressive fashion. The only one that has failed to place was Fire Emblem though that was a bit obvious. It won’t advance, but it won’t be embarrassed.

The real match is this fight for second between Final Fantasy XII and Half-Life 2. Final Fantasy XII has the advantage with the recent strength of RPGs and bad performances of FPSs. Unlike most Final Fantasy games Final Fantasy XII never made much of a splash when it was released. Even on GameFAQs it is often compared to Final Fantasy IX where it was released near the end of a system’s life-span. Oddly enough Final Fantasy XII probably has similar strength to Final Fantasy IX and with Final Fantasy IX easily defeating the original Half-Life things are looking good.

The fight between Final Fantasy IX and Half-Life was suppose to give us some insight about this match. Well Half-Life was destroyed and things do not look great for the sequel. It is often agreed that Half-Life 2 was more popular than the original, but at the amount Final Fantasy IX won by Half-Life 2 is going to need to be near its upper level of strength while Final Fantasy XII is going to need to be at its lower level. After watching several FPS, including one from Nintendo fail I don’t have much faith.

In the end Twilight Princess attempts to prove its worth, while Final Fantasy XII should take second with Half-Life 2 having an outside chance. So far this division has been a bit crazy and round two should be just as crazy. Seven divisions down, one more to go, it’s time for our current generation to go for a swing.

charmander6000’s Bracket: LoZ: Twilight Princess > Half-Life 2

charmander6000’s Prediction: LoZ: Twilight Princess – 37.52%, Final Fantasy XII – 24.73%, Half-Life 2 – 21.18%, Phoenix Wright – 16.57%

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MetricTrout | Posted 5/3/2009 7:52:15 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2593

I'd say 'significantly stronger' applies here.


Says a poll that was taken a month after the game was released.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/3/2009 7:56:28 PM | message detail
Oh right, nearly forgot. Yesterday's chart:

Time | Halo 2 | MGS3 | Okami | WoW | Demographic
EBV | 21.08% | 36.62% | 19.79% | 22.52% | (0:00-0:05)
PHV | 21.40% | 36.34% | 18.78% | 23.47% | (0:00-1:00)
FNV | 19.42% | 36.30% | 19.47% | 24.82% | (1:00-6:00)
BSV | 18.13% | 36.38% | 20.86% | 24.63% | (6:00-9:00)
DSV | 22.91% | 34.20% | 18.56% | 24.34% | (9:00-14:30)
ASV | 23.46% | 35.19% | 18.11% | 23.24% | (14:30-22:00)
SNV | 22.94% | 35.38% | 18.41% | 23.27% | (22:00-24:00)

MGS3, like MGS2, doesn't fall off too much with the day vote, though it is noticeable. Wonder why they seem to have different trends from MGS1. WoW is pretty consistent all throughout, pretty stable trends. People who said that Halo 2 didn't have a heightened day vote weren't paying attention. That's a 5.3% leap from the first night vote to the afternoon vote. Just because it didn't make a massive comeback on WoW doesn't mean the day vote wasn't there. Going from losing outright to Okami to going even with Wow IS a pretty big leap. It was just too far behind WoW for its day vote to matter (Hint hint: KHII is doing the same thing, so don't say its day vote hasn't been great). Okami is a strong night vote game, as expected.

Yesterday's stats:

Metal Gear Solid 3 – 50.00%
World of Warcraft – 40.46%
Halo 2 – 38.12%
Okami – 34.77%
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MetricTrout | Posted 5/3/2009 7:58:53 PM | message detail
MGS3, like MGS2, doesn't fall off too much with the day vote, though it is noticeable. Wonder why they seem to have different trends from MGS1.

Not up against Pokemon.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/3/2009 7:59:53 PM | message detail
So? Halo is a similar force.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 5/3/2009 8:04:15 PM | message detail
If this was 1v1 RE4 Vs. Gears of War and RE4 was duplicating this(over 70%) we'd all be like HOLY CRAP RE4 IN THE FINALS CONFIRMED
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/3/2009 8:07:11 PM | message detail
Looks like this match has been in the 600s range since 3 P.M. and might finish that way. Two straight days of a match staying with the same range for a long period of time. WoW/Halo 2 stayed within the 2600-2700 range for 12 hours.
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creativename | Posted 5/3/2009 8:25:43 PM | message detail
I think RE4 in the finals talk is pretty ridiculous at this point. That's not happening.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/3/2009 8:27:26 PM | message detail

From: creativename | #180
I think RE4 in the finals talk is pretty ridiculous at this point. That's not happening.


It won't on its own strength, obviously. But its got a pretty good path full of SFF and the like.
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ZFS | Posted 5/3/2009 8:28:34 PM | message detail
Yeah, RE4's got no shot at the finals.

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red sox 777 | Posted 5/3/2009 8:29:26 PM | message detail
RE4 in the finals is very very unlikely. RE4 in the semifinals- I think it's chances are still pretty good.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/3/2009 8:30:56 PM | message detail
Ironically, I think that RE4s toughest match will be round 3. If it gets through that unscathed, I still think the shot for the finals is there. No where near as good as I would have thought it was before this match, but Its not 0% or anything.
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WarThaHedgehog | Posted 5/3/2009 8:30:57 PM | message detail
RE4's a big underdog to reach the finals right now, it'll need FFX to drag KH all the way to meeting OoT/MGS, then taking each other out, and then TP/BrawlorGalaxy to split enough to let both RE4 and MGS4 into the semis, where the Metal Gears take each other out.

Possible, but not likely.
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hochiminhX | Posted 5/3/2009 8:31:42 PM | message detail
Yeah, RE4's got no shot at the finals.


Let us refrain from suppositions of certainty. If TP is strong enough and can resist SFF, it could, in theory, knock it and OoT out in the quarterfinals allowing RE4 and MGS4 to advance. Then, if it's something like FF7/MGS/RE4/MGS4, voila, RE4 in the finals. Is it likely? Of course not. But it's still a possibility.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/3/2009 8:31:59 PM | message detail
Yeah, RE4 reaching the finals isn't impossible, but it's going to need a LOT of things to fall its way to do so.

LOL 4-way
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ZFS | Posted 5/3/2009 8:33:06 PM | message detail
Well there ya go

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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 5/3/2009 8:42:16 PM | message detail
Let us refrain from suppositions of certainty. If TP is strong enough and can resist SFF, it could, in theory, knock it and OoT out in the quarterfinals allowing RE4 and MGS4 to advance. Then, if it's something like FF7/MGS/RE4/MGS4, voila, RE4 in the finals. Is it likely? Of course not. But it's still a possibility.

Don't you mean either Brawl or Galaxy?
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MetricTrout | Posted 5/3/2009 8:46:31 PM | message detail
Zelda: Twilight Princess: 43%
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: 21%
Half-Life 2: 20%
Final Fantasy 12: 16%

Believe.
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MnMZero | Posted 5/3/2009 8:46:52 PM | message detail
Who's ready for an epic 3-way battle for second during the board vote?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/3/2009 8:47:41 PM | message detail
Honestly, I'm expecting PW to stay in second for a couple updates at least. FF and HL games always have bad early votes.
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creativename | Posted 5/3/2009 8:49:01 PM | message detail
PW might even challenge for 1st in the first update.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/3/2009 8:52:08 PM | message detail
Twilight Princess will really have to bomb for PW to lead it for more than, say, 30 seconds.

Heck, 15 would be impressive to me. Of course, I think TP is a potential top 10 game, so I'm expecting it to perform accordingly. *crosses fingers*
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/3/2009 8:53:00 PM | message detail
What kinda percentage you expecting from TP, Leon?
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MetricTrout | Posted 5/3/2009 8:53:53 PM | message detail
Phoenix Wright should have second for at least a good few hours.

Hopefully, a good 24 hours.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/3/2009 8:53:58 PM | message detail
OOT isn't getting eliminated before the finals. No two games on its half of the bracket are strong enough to push it to third even with Melee or TP LFFing it, and really, nothing is strong enough to even beat it at all short of an L-Block style bandwagon, until the final.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/3/2009 8:55:03 PM | message detail
I'll be very disappointed if PW fails to have first for at least a few seconds.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/3/2009 8:55:46 PM | message detail
I had it upper to mid 40s in my Oracle, but after seeing KHII perform so well, I dunno what FFXII will do. I still expect 40%+ here, but if it beats FFXII by like less than 10%, I'll be pretty disappointed.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 5/3/2009 8:57:01 PM | message detail
We've gotta get Resident Evil 4 and Half-Life 2 to round 4, or else we know that GameFAQs isn't in for next-gen gaming.

MAYBE Metal Gear Solid 3 fits the bill, but probably not Twilight Princess.