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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 699

MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/2/2009 8:01:30 AM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #298
That would really surprise me. Yesterday's fourpack just screams "loser" to me.

Let's stop with this. The four-pack consisted of the most popular action game on this site, a GotY winner, a 6-million seller that was already projected to do great based on Morrowind, and a cult RPG that just happened to be stronger than we expected.

That four-pack wasn't that strong, but weak? No.


I'm sorry, but till I'm proven otherwise, the 4pack will be determined by ToS... Trashy.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/2/2009 8:02:22 AM | message detail
Smurf, that would be true except that Halo 2 hasn't been getting 40% since the morning vote started, it's been getting 47-48% the past 2 hours.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/2/2009 8:02:38 AM | message detail
Basing a four-pack on one game - and an untested one at that - is stupid.

Does Halo's four-pack utterly suck because KOTOR got close?

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/2/2009 8:03:15 AM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #303
Basing a four-pack on one game - and an untested one at that - is stupid.

Does Halo's four-pack utterly suck because KOTOR got close?


I've wondered that.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/2/2009 8:04:41 AM | message detail
As much as it hurts me to say this, yes. It seems like very few of these PS2/Xbox/GC generation games don't "suck."
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/2/2009 8:06:03 AM | message detail
Well then I suppose we have a difference of opinion.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/2/2009 8:07:18 AM | message detail
Theres only so strong games like KOTOR and ToS can be. KOTOR got only 40% against a GTA game in 2004, and ToS always brings lots of fodder to the table that can't even crack 20% in 4ways. The fact both got about 25% and were equal to other "More hyped" games has to be a red flag.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/2/2009 8:08:20 AM | message detail
I can get behind all of these games sucking. SNES/N64/PS1 >>> Gaming since 2002.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/2/2009 8:09:34 AM | message detail
And there's only so weak these games can be, too. I'm all for calling them mediocre, but until further notice I don't think any of them are bad.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/2/2009 8:10:20 AM | message detail
I'm be tempted to call the GTA games "Bad" after what we've seen.
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ZFS | Posted 5/2/2009 8:10:45 AM | message detail
Tales' fourpack was pretty weak. Again, not fodder, but they're not anywhere near the upper levels of strength, probably not even top 30.

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charmander6000 | Posted 5/2/2009 8:11:55 AM | message detail
When you think about it what games from last generation will be remembered in 20 years?

Melee, FFX, Twilight Princess, GTA, Halo

and the last two aren't even popular on GameFAQs.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/2/2009 8:12:12 AM | message detail
WoW tbqh
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/2/2009 8:13:16 AM | message detail
You don't have to be Top 30 to be decent.

Either way, I'll take solace that ToS is projected to 55% Metroid Prime by the stats. >_>

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Master Moltar | Posted 5/2/2009 8:16:06 AM | message detail
WoW only had 55.6% on Okami now.

Certainly in Tales range as it should be stronger than Okami.

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ZFS | Posted 5/2/2009 8:18:05 AM | message detail
Considering how many weak games are in this contest, if you're outside of the top 30 I wouldn't consider you all that noteworthy. It's like Frog levels in the character contest. He's not fodder either, but his level is so far below most other characters that it's not often he'll be in more than one match where he can win. Same thing here -- Halo and WoW aren't going to beat many notable games if they can barely hang above Okami.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/2/2009 8:18:28 AM | message detail
Okami does have a pretty hardcore fanbase that should get it mid to high teens unless there is SFF though, if Ammy is any indication.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/2/2009 8:25:12 AM | message detail
Heh, 28 vote cut by Halo! Maybe it wants to make a match of this afterall !
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The Real Truth | Posted 5/2/2009 8:26:07 AM | message detail
Guys, you remember this is 4 game FFA yes? When you throw that in the mix, games that are more casual are obviously going to do worse. Come on now. Okami is fairly obscure, though not as much as it used to be. It obviously has a more dedicated fanbase. It's not that hard to realize something like this.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/2/2009 8:26:28 AM | message detail
Halo 2 wants to fight, but sadly the damage is already done.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/2/2009 8:28:06 AM | message detail
Wow I just realized that overnight, Halo was sucking so bad that MGS3 had over 65% on it.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/2/2009 8:30:12 AM | message detail
And then... Okami cuts Halo

What
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The Real Truth | Posted 5/2/2009 8:32:24 AM | message detail
Remember that match a long time ago where Tales of Symphonia beat San Andreas?
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creativename | Posted 5/2/2009 8:57:18 AM | message detail
It obviously has a more dedicated fanbase.

'Hardcore fanbase' has never amounted to diddly squat, and I can't believe anyone this brings this up. It's the freakin' Stone Ages of contest analysis. For the longest time the poster boy for 'hardcore fanbase' was, of course, Halo for goodness sake.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/2/2009 8:58:29 AM | message detail

From: creativename | #324
It obviously has a more dedicated fanbase.

'Hardcore fanbase' has never amounted to diddly squat, and I can't believe anyone this brings this up. It's the freakin' Stone Ages of contest analysis. For the longest time the poster boy for 'hardcore fanbase' was, of course, Halo for goodness sake.


Ammy always got its mid-high teens at least (outside of a double capcom sff match, and another furry creature). Its hardcore fanbase is whats doing this.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/2/2009 9:00:29 AM | message detail
I don't think that's fair to Ammy. She's only ever been in situations where high teens was her best possible outcome; getting stuck with Dante, and then Crono will do that to you.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/2/2009 9:03:10 AM | message detail
And now Undressed Snake.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/2/2009 9:04:20 AM | message detail
Ammy always got its mid-high teens at least (outside of a double capcom sff match, and another furry creature). Its hardcore fanbase is whats doing this.

Yes, and Frog always got between 48% and 52%. Clearly half the site will vote for Frog over anything and the other half will vote for anything over him!
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Yesmar | Posted 5/2/2009 9:04:26 AM | message detail
Ammy always got its mid-high teens at least (outside of a double capcom sff match, and another furry creature). Its hardcore fanbase is whats doing this.

The hardcore fanbase that will vote for Okami over anything else is 1% of the vote if that. It has no effect here.
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Meeks54 | Posted 5/2/2009 9:09:03 AM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #312
When you think about it what games from last generation will be remembered in 20 years?

Melee, FFX, Twilight Princess, GTA, Halo

and the last two aren't even popular on GameFAQs.




Kingdom Hearts?
Resident Evil 4?
Devil May Cry?
Wind Waker?

Possibly Metroid Prime?
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/2/2009 9:15:14 AM | message detail
Realistically, the two games with the most hardcore fanbases on this site are FFVII and Ocarina - they have the most voters willing to vote for them over anything else. The way we defined a "hardcore" entrant in 2007 - one whose niche but ultra-devoted fanbase would carry it to successes in the 4way format that it could never see in 1v1 - has been largely disproven. The only case that jumps immediately to mind here is Monkey Island.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/2/2009 9:17:40 AM | message detail
Honestly, I don't think I could see Ammy advancing in matches 1v1.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/2/2009 9:18:43 AM | message detail
And WoW is staying impressively steady here. It might finish the day above 24% at this rate, and that should be seen (at least in my opinion) as a clearly stronger performance than what either winner managed yesterday.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/2/2009 9:19:48 AM | message detail
I'm starting to think more and more that WoW is a "Balanced" trend game instead of night and crappy day like the WC3 characters.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/2/2009 9:20:07 AM | message detail
It's very possible that the problem with the hardcore theory is that "hardcore" games are usually among the least independent. Think about it. What kind of person plays Earthbound, FFIX, Chrono Trigger, etc? People who have played a lot of games. People who are fans of a lot of games. People who like a lot of other games, and have a good probability of seeing a game they like among the other 3 options. Independence is a much much better characteristic to have in 4-ways than loyalty/hardcoreness.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/2/2009 9:24:31 AM | message detail

From: MyWorldIsCrono | #332
Honestly, I don't think I could see Ammy advancing in matches 1v1.


Ammy could and would certainly beat the various jobbers she's torn through, such as Matt the Mii and Kaim Argomar. I'm not sure she could beat Ada Wong or Balthier in 1v1s, but I'm guessing her impressive performances in the last two years have much more to do with a huge Stand Out Factor than a hardcore fanbase.
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charmander6000 | Posted 5/2/2009 9:26:29 AM | message detail
I'd take Ammy over Ada Wong, though Balthier looked a lot better in 2008 for whatever reason.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/2/2009 9:27:15 AM | message detail
Well I meant the matches that were "close" for Ammy. In 1v1, I doubt they'd give her turbo fodder like matt the mii or kaim round 1 like an elite character would get, so Ada Wong/Balthier seems more likely.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/2/2009 9:28:59 AM | message detail
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Best thing Balthier's ever done was give us that picture.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/2/2009 9:29:04 AM | message detail
Ada Wong and Balthier are pretty weak- not sure why Ammy couldn't beat them. Looks like Halo has given up.
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therealmnm | Posted 5/2/2009 9:29:33 AM | message detail
When you think about it what games from last generation will be remembered in 20 years?

Well the Gamecube was weak on Nintendo's end, but the PS2 was just fine. Sure it didn't have the Square RPGs like the PS1, but really, how many PS1 games outside of Square will fit the same description? MGS, RE, SotN, ....? The PS2 had a ton of solid games, it's just that a lot of them simply weren't popular with the GameFAQs crowd (platformers, sports, racing, etc).

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/2/2009 9:30:57 AM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #340
Ada Wong and Balthier are pretty weak- not sure why Ammy couldn't beat them. Looks like Halo has given up.


Other then the fact there are many more RE/FF fans then Okami fans?
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/2/2009 9:30:58 AM | message detail
As for World of Warcraft in round 3, it's not strong enough to advance there, BUT if Starcraft and Diablo 2 are both in round 3, WoW would be the 3rd Blizzard game in 3 days. If SC and D2 make large comebacks, win or lose, that could help out WoW a lot.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/2/2009 9:32:16 AM | message detail
Right now, even as a huge WoW supporter, I can't see WoW finishing better then 4th in round 3.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/2/2009 9:32:53 AM | message detail
RE and FF being stronger than Okami doesn't change the fact that Ada and Balthier are weak. It's not like being from FF, even a strong FF (FFVI) guarantees strength.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 5/2/2009 9:34:14 AM | message detail
Other then the fact there are many more RE/FF fans then Okami fans?

There are also many more FF fans than DMC fans, and that didn't help Terra against Dante...at all. Please don't try and argue that 80% of the site loves DMC.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/2/2009 9:34:59 AM | message detail
It doesn't guarantee strength, but I feel Okami has a cap for just how many fans it can get. Like Monkey Island has a cap of about 30% (thats what it got against Ryo), I can see Okami having a cap when faced against a known character.
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red sox 777 | Posted 5/2/2009 9:38:57 AM | message detail
Monkey Island appears to have a cap of around 30% because it's so weak that it's never encountered competition bad enough to break that. Such competition, however, does exist- don't doubt that Guybrush would beat Tanner!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/2/2009 9:40:32 AM | message detail
It failed to break 30% against Ryo ...

Ryo Hazuki (2003c) VS CATS (2007c)

Ryo Hazuki has a strength of 12.62.
CATS has a strength of 14.87.

CATS wins with 57.57% of the vote!
A win of 17,824 with 117,800 total votes cast.


The Same Ryo CATs would beat.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 5/2/2009 9:40:37 AM | message detail
I sometimes wonder what Guybrush would have put up on Chief in 2003.
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