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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 5/2/2009 1:19:35 PM | message detail
I hope FF12 does terrible
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/2/2009 1:20:08 PM | message detail
And as far as GotY polls go, I would expect FFXII to do worse now than it did back then. It seems to me that a lot of people were excited for the game, but now that it's out and has had time to sink in...

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therealmnm | Posted 5/2/2009 1:20:36 PM | message detail
You know, Metal Gear trumped KH in the series contest by a good bit, and unless you think MG benefited from having old school roots (or MGS Ghost Babel!!), it was basically the 3 Metal Gear Solid games vs. the 2 PS2 Kingdom Hearts games and whatever you think CoM brought to the table. And it ended up being a 58/42 beating.

Not saying this results dictates what would happen with individual games, but I wouldn't automatically call any KH game to be a favorite over any of the MGS games...
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/2/2009 1:20:47 PM | message detail
FFXII isn't disliked among the fanbase. Don't let LtM's outspoken hatred for the game persuade you!

It's not as popular as the rest of the mainline series games, but it's not disliked. I still don't see it losing to HL2 and still see no reason to think otherwise.
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voltch | Posted 5/2/2009 1:21:22 PM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #446
I love Reaction Commands. Sure, they're easy, but man, at least Square does a good job of making them look awesome.


when has square not been good in the presentation department,when i become supreme overlord of the world,thes guys will be handling presentation,though for PR nuh uh.
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2455
Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 5/2/2009 1:21:26 PM | message detail
I bought XII before it was even released, and I STILL havent played it.

TP is just that, something to wipe my ass with.

Go Gordron and Nick
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/2/2009 1:21:56 PM | message detail
I don't have a problem picking KH over MGS2, but the other three...who knows? I still think MGS2 can advance next round, but I'm thinking it needs FFX's help to do so.
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ZFS | Posted 5/2/2009 1:22:45 PM | message detail
Yeah, I agree. FFXII's probably not terribly strong by Final Fantasy standards, which are pretty high considering it's probably the strongest series of games in the contest, but I've always been confident in it beating Half-Life 2. I remember arguing with people that it'd beat Metroid Prime pre-contest, too!

It has a fair share of people who dislike it, but there's a number of people who love it, too.

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voltch | Posted 5/2/2009 1:23:25 PM | message detail
i'd actually take XII>IX.
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 5/2/2009 1:23:25 PM | message detail
So can we still laugh at Metroid Prime?
KamikazePotato | Posted 5/2/2009 1:23:54 PM | message detail
After MP's performance, HL2 probably would beat it.

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The n00b Avenger | Posted 5/2/2009 1:24:01 PM | message detail
What's your opinion on Final Fantasy 12?
The best game, period. 0.56%
15
The best Final Fantasy. 1.20%
32
Good game 15.12%
402
Decent game 14.10%
375
Poor game 8.42%
224
The worst Final Fantasy. 5.04%
134
The worst game, period. 2.26%
60
I've never played it. 53.29%
1417
TOTAL VOTES 2659

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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/2/2009 1:25:31 PM | message detail
After MP's performance, HL2 probably would beat it.

After HL's performance, I'm not convinced.

Don't get carried away now. Weren't you the one who was saying that FPS games drop off quickly?
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AmazingKirby | Posted 5/2/2009 1:25:38 PM | message detail
No, no, no, no, no. KH2 will not be weaker than KH1. Coming from someone who likes KH1 better and who reads every topic saying "KH1 or KH2?" more people like KH2. Besides, it's just bigger and more epic and was more hyped and it didn't disappoint most people and it made everything KH much more popular and people aren't going to forget that!
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Master Moltar | Posted 5/2/2009 1:25:40 PM | message detail
I played KH1 after I played KH2 (which I liked) and just couldn't get into it at all. The platforming definitely was a turn-off.

I'll take mindless triangle mashing and 3 hour prologues with sea-salt ice cream and cool black-cloaked bad guys and GET UP ON THE HYDRA'S BACK anyday.
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ZFS | Posted 5/2/2009 1:25:45 PM | message detail
I don't know about FFXII over FFIX, but it's probably not too far back from FF1.

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therealmnm | Posted 5/2/2009 1:26:01 PM | message detail
I still think MGS2 can advance next round, but I'm thinking it needs FFX's help to do so.

Hey, judging by Sora/Snake, MGS2 may be able to do help itself do so!
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voltch | Posted 5/2/2009 1:26:47 PM | message detail
come to think of it,KHII never did get that whole brawl level of backlash and brawl certainly isn't weak,so maybe KHII is quite strong,still ain't touching RE4 though.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/2/2009 1:26:54 PM | message detail
Yeah, but MP's performance looks worse and worse every day.

And if there's an FPS game that'll keep its strength, it's HL2, thanks to the Episodes.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/2/2009 1:27:28 PM | message detail
Don't care whose topic gets used next (I'd prefer mine since the first post was changed, obviously), but either way, someone please remember to copy-paste the new stuff into 701.

And I was very surprised when I woke up today. Halo fans really don't care about 2, do they?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/2/2009 1:27:47 PM | message detail
And The Orange Box, of course.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/2/2009 1:28:03 PM | message detail
HL1's performance looks bad, no matter how you look at it.
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transience | Posted 5/2/2009 1:28:06 PM | message detail
I don't think FF12 is hated - nor do I hate it - but I'd say it's definitely sub-FF9 in strength. and FF9 didn't look super great or anything.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/2/2009 1:28:51 PM | message detail
"fps aren't doing well so gears will suck"

yeah... people don't know wtf they're talking about xD
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/2/2009 1:29:01 PM | message detail
HL1's performance was also bad, but comparing HL1 to HL2 is like comparing RE2 to RE4.

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ZFS | Posted 5/2/2009 1:29:26 PM | message detail
It's hard for FFIX to look great with Ocarina of Time sucking up over half the vote. I'd say it's a bit above FF1 indirectly, which isn't all that bad.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/2/2009 1:29:43 PM | message detail
I don't think the difference will be quite that drastic, honestly.
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ZFS | Posted 5/2/2009 1:30:25 PM | message detail
Whoa, I don't know about that. HL2 has never really shown to be that big here.

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voltch | Posted 5/2/2009 1:31:13 PM | message detail
then again,GFAQs is getting younger and XII has been more mainstream than IX,of course that factor is void on this site,but i'm a huge IX fan and i still reckon that the pretty graphics and huge scale would make XII stronger indirectly a the very least.

I hope i'm wrong,but XII is only hated cos it didn't live up to massive expectations.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/2/2009 1:31:20 PM | message detail
It has every reason to be way above HL1, though. Released 6 years later, sold a ton, massively critically acclaimed, revitalized the series, released through The Orange Box, and had further single-player experiences with the Episodes. The latest HL2-related game came out 2 years ago. HL1 came out 10 years ago.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/2/2009 1:31:38 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1825
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/2/2009 1:32:11 PM | message detail
I mean, just look at Gordon. Characters aren't as applicable here, but he still went from jobbing to everyone under the sun to defeating SFFd Ganondorf.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 5/2/2009 1:32:42 PM | message detail
Half-Life 2 might disappoint like every other game of its ilk this contest (before the recent polls began, anyway), but it would have to be so damn awful to lose to FF12. I don't buy it.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/2/2009 1:32:55 PM | message detail
Albion, in that very poll Halo 2 destroys MGS3.

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ZFS | Posted 5/2/2009 1:33:01 PM | message detail
I'd expect HL2 to be above HL1 for a lot of those reasons, but it's not going to be a RE4 to RE2 kinda deal.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/2/2009 1:33:36 PM | message detail
Going with the Prime/Half-Life comparison...

And I thought this was pretty interesting, since it involves one of the games in the poll that's sucking it up and one that sucked it up yesterday!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1877

Of course, Halo 2 had to beat MGS3 to get to that point in the first place, so things change!

There's also this:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2621

Yeah, PotDs aren't the most reliable things, but that's all we've got for the games from this division on.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/2/2009 1:33:40 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #484
Albion, in that very poll Halo 2 destroys MGS3.


as it should!
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voltch | Posted 5/2/2009 1:34:06 PM | message detail
unless ep3 comes out tomorrow that is.
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 5/2/2009 1:34:17 PM | message detail
Forget about Halo 2, Metroid Prime 2 beats MGS3
LeonhartFour | Posted 5/2/2009 1:34:43 PM | message detail
Whoops, forgot to post the first poll I was going to...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2797
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KamikazePotato | Posted 5/2/2009 1:34:57 PM | message detail
I'm just saying, don't be surprised if Half-Life 2 turns out to be a lot stronger than HL1. The parallels are there.

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voltch | Posted 5/2/2009 1:35:34 PM | message detail
remember how that year Gamespot was giving 9+scores to everything from halo to GTA to MP etc...and 8.7 to MGS3?!?!the jerks
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RPGuy96 | Posted 5/2/2009 1:35:45 PM | message detail
I think FF > FFIX based on their first round performances. FFIX only managed 28.3% on Ocarina; setting FF = FFIX gives Mario World 31.9% on Ocarina and I'd wager it's better than that. If Chrono Cross played a big role then that makes FFIX look better, but considering how easily FFIX beat Half-Life and how close Cross was to Half-Life I have my doubts about that.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/2/2009 1:35:59 PM | message detail
And don't be surprised if it doesn't. HL2 bombing won't surprise me.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 5/2/2009 1:36:00 PM | message detail
I hope both FF12 and HL2 flop big time

We need some Phoenix Domination
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transience | Posted 5/2/2009 1:37:24 PM | message detail
talking about Half-Life 2 pre-Orange Box is like talking about Snake pre-Brawl. you're treading on dangerous water by doing that.

the better argument is "Half-Life 1 bombed, so Half-Life 2 will as well."
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LeonhartFour | Posted 5/2/2009 1:37:26 PM | message detail
I really doubt PW:AA does that well. You can't find a poll involving it worth anything. Phoenix Wright seems to be a character >> game deal to me.
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transience | Posted 5/2/2009 1:38:33 PM | message detail
I'd expect a mid-teens performance from PW. probably not enough to threaten to advance, but if both bomb (which seems possible), watch out!
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Zazulak | Posted 5/2/2009 1:38:56 PM | message detail
KH 2 wins tomorrow
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transience | Posted 5/2/2009 1:39:09 PM | message detail
PHOENIX
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