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SA would be my best guess for the strongest in the series, but I wouldn't be that confident in it. I don't place too much faith in that PotD either.

I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't the strongest.
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I can't see GTA4 being far off from SA, but I'd definitely take it. GTA just seems to me like a series where the most recent game will always be the strongest. The games don't really have much staying power, just that a lot of people have played them.

Same reason I'd take Guitar Hero 4 > GH3 > GH2 if we ever got them in a contest.
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I'd peg it at a percent or two lower than VC. It just doesn't seem to have the same kind of appeal: no recurring character in the contests, no tie-in game, no nothing. It could be the dark horse of the series, but there doesn't seem to be any convincing evidence for that.

San Andreas was way bigger when it came out than VC was when it came out. And GTA4 was way bigger than San Andreas when it first came out. For at least a month there noone would shut up about it.
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Good, that makes its case slightly more believable. How well did it hold up, though? VC had a ton of staying power behind it, which might have made it perform as well as it did a while back.

VC > SA > GTA4 > GTA3
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San Andreas has the most sales in its series, one of the biggest #1 FAQ runs EVER to its credit, outperformed its brethren massively on The List, and has the benefit of being the most recent GTA game that anyone gives a damn about.

And a characters/games comparison? Really? I suppose FFVI is going to job to FFIV under any reasonable analogy you make for them there, too.
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You know that all of those things except maybe the List are worth very little for determining contest strength on Gamefaqs, less than character comparisons. And Kefka is stronger than any FFIV character, yes, history of flopping or not.
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Remember though, the list was when San Andreas was the most recent, and top dog. If you were to have another list today, GTA4 would easily beat SA.
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I'd like to see comparisons of characters from the same series being weaker then stronger games. I can't think of many.
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Squall and Sora beating Aeris comes to mind
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Well I mean like strongest character. Like how we have CJ vs. Tommy
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There's also Luigi/Bowser, depending on which games you want to consider stronger in the Mario franchise. Past that, we have a bunch of weird cases like Peach/Metaknight which I wouldn't place too much stock on.

And Kefka is stronger than any FFIV character, yes, history of flopping or not.

Kain and Rydia say otherwise (heck, Rydia beat a character that Kefka lost to in humiliating fashion the year before!).
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From: Karma Hunter | #064
And Kefka is stronger than any FFIV character, yes, history of flopping or not.

Kain and Rydia say otherwise (heck, Rydia beat a character that Kefka lost to in humiliating fashion the year before!).

That was also a much weaker Marcus. 2007 Kefka beats 2008 Rydia by pure stats.
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The fact that there's no clear winner in Kefka Vs. Kain/Rydia despite the differences in the games is enough. There's nothing to argue there
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Most of these 2008 Xstats seem to have Rydia about 12% on base link, whereas Kefka was 19% on base link in 2007

Lol 4way xstats, but still I can't really buy Rydia being stronger.
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Huh, Kain beats Kefka in final stats though...

Who knows.
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You know that all of those things except maybe the List are worth very little for determining contest strength on Gamefaqs, less than character comparisons.

Individually? Maybe. Together there's a preponderance of evidence to that conclusion (as opposed to the great deal of nothing the other games have).

More than that... it's obvious. I compare it to the MGS arguments back when "stats" said that MGS was going to lose to dreck like MGS2 - anyone even remotely familiar with the fanbase can tell you this stuff.
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I don't think the difference between FF6 and FF4 is all that big anymore.
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I can see FF4 getting like 42-45% on FF6 these days. It impressed me round 1.
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I don't think FF6/FF1 would be a debated match. Just sayin' - FF4 has to prove itself first no matter what depths FF6 has fallen to.
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For the next match im not sure who could get it.

God of War i know has a fair amount of strength, it was certainly one of the better ps2 games.

Oblivion i dont know how good it is.

GTA San Andreas i haven't played either but from ive seen in your debates you think it has potential for first here.

Tales of Symphonia sadly, i believe is in a bad position here.

As much as i love that game, there seems to be an unwavering hate for anime style games in these contests.
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Match XXV: God of War vs. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas vs. Tales of Symphonia vs. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion

Information:

Name: God of War
Year: 2005
System: PS2
Top 100 Placing: 48th

Name: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Year: 2004
System: PS2
Top 100 Placing: 11th

Name: Tales of Symphonia
Year: 2004
System: GC
Top 100 Placing: 81st

Name: The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
Year: 2006
System: Xbox 360
Top 100 Placing: N/A

Analysis

The seventh division brings us to new territory. The final quarter of the bracket are the games that did not exist for the previous contest. The previous generation continues its trek with the era ending on the release of the current generation. For some reason the board doesn’t seem that into this match, probably because the games that are going to do well are casual favourites and the board isn’t really a fan of those unless it’s a Nintendo game or on a Nintendo system.

While the board doesn’t want to admit it San Andreas should take this match with ease. The GTA series is much weaker than it was in the past, but its competition here isn’t exactly that strong. Even the wild card, Oblivion would have to reach its upper limit while San Andreas reaches its lower limit for it to lose. I can understand the lack of faith in GTA, but it’s seriously being overrated by the board. San Andreas is probably the strongest game of the series and it will show it here by defeating this weak four-pack with ease.

On the other side of the spectrum board favourite Tales of Symphonia should pick up last baring any large flops from God of War or Oblivion. While always hyped from the board Tales of Symphonia has never met expectations and as it grows older people will eventually forget about it. Knowing the board the board vote should put it in first for at least a few second which will be interesting to watch.

Oblivion was always the wild card in this match and with the recent performance by Morrowind Oblivion may have a chance at advancing. Morrowind may have still been crushed, but with Oblivion being much stronger than Morrowind and the competition being weaker it does have a chance. San Andreas is probably out of reach unless you believe that Metal Gear Solid 2 would easily win against Kingdom Hearts with no help from SFF, but an upset with God of War is possible.

Pinpointing God of War’s strength is pretty hard, we see characters like Dante and Kratos do well in the character battle yet in the series contest Devil May Cry was crushed. I compare Kratos with Dante because they appeal to the same audience, they are both badass and were created around the same time and were on the same gaming system. I didn’t have much faith in it at first and with Morrowind’s performance I don’t believe that it’s going to be the favourite going in the match.

I can understand why this board doesn’t like this match; the only game worth anything is from a series that is not well liked by the average board member, which is a shame. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was the lowest scoring match on this side of the bracket. Still San Andreas needs to prove whether or not it is capable of hanging with MGS3/Halo 2/WoW in the next round. I’m going against my bracket this time, but I wouldn’t be surprised if God of War makes it out alive.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas > God of War

charmander6000’s Prediction: GTA: San Andreas – 42.52%, TES IV: Oblivion – 23.74%, God of War – 21.48%, Tales of Symphonia – 12.26%

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I have a strange feeling Oblivion will hugely impress tonight.
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From: UltimaterializerX | #075
I have a strange feeling Oblivion will hugely impress tonight.

Me too. I'm leaning towards it winning atm.
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Vercetti is a more likable character than CJ, but what does that have to do with game strength?
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Pretty sure Oblivion is gonna rock the house tonight.

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Eh, I wouldn't exactly tie God of War to Devil May Cry popularity. The game gets waaaay more publicity than any DMC or Ninja Gaiden game. Plus it's far more casual friendly than the other two. I mean, look at anticipation for this gen. DMC4 was just another game, while God of War 3 is looking to be one of the anchors of the PS3 for now. Not saying it will be terribly strong, but I think the game will be stronger than what's indicated by discussion in this topic.
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I have a strange feeling Oblivion will hugely impress tonight.

Now that you mention it, so do I.
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Division 7: Round 1 - Match 25 – God of War vs. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas vs. Tales of Symphonia vs. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion

Moltar’s Analysis

God of War
2004 Results: N/A

Not Gears of War

GTA:SA
2004 Results: N/A

Another GTA in a debated match…

ToS
2004 Results: N/A

Inferior beings!

Oblivion
2004 Results: N/A

Morrowind did fine, will Oblivion deliver?

Wow, this is tough. You could make an argument for all four games here. Well, first let’s look at some past stats for these competitors.

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I said, first let’s look at some past stats for these competitors!

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I SAID-

Assisstant: Moltar, none of the games left were in the 2004 contest…because they were released after it!

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Now what am I supposed to do? Well, San Andreas should be the strongest game here. Yes, a four-pack where the GTA actually looks to be the strongest. That’s how you know a group is weak. GTA3 didn’t turn any heads, and Vice City did okay, but SA should be the strongest GTA game on the site. Not only did it have the best sales by a good amount, but most fans of the series point to this one as their favorite.

ToS has a shot at second, but…it’s ToS. It does stand out here…but it’s ToS. Tales isn’t really known as series to step up. Granted it should do alright here, and depending on how weak GoW and Oblivion end up being, it may see the light of Round 2.

God of War…I have it in my bracket, but I just don’t know. Kratos has looked good in 1v1 matches, but he hasn’t impressed in four-ways. Even worse, the GoW series has never looked to be all that strong. It’s kind of like Dante/DMC and Ryu/NG (or for non-action series, Samus/Metroid ;_;). The main characters of the series has strength, most likely because of their cool design, but the games themselves aren’t that strong. Maybe it can prove us wrong here though.

So after Morrowind’s performance, I like Oblivion to take second here. 17% with FFX and MGS2 in the poll is impressive to me, and Oblivion should only be stronger than that.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: GTA:SA > God of War

Moltar’s Prediction is: GTA:SA: 32% - Oblivion: 27% - God of War: 22% - ToS: 19%



Heroic Mario’s Analysis

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We've been going through a bad stretch of games lately, and today's is probably on par with the Diablo match in terms of 'who cares.' But, hey, the last two matches in this division get us back to the good stuff, so we just have to suffer through for a while!

I'm not expecting anything eventful with this group. San Andreas shouldn't have any problem taking a win, or in the worst case scenario a close second. It's the most popular Grand Theft Auto game and we saw Vice City beat Metroid Prime earlier -- it's not going to be completely weak here.

The fight for second is a little more interesting, but after seeing Morrowind impress in its match, it's hard to see anything but it coming in second. The only chance of it not happening is if God of War goes against every poll its been in and manages to have some real strength. I'm not banking on it despite it being my favorite game in this match. If it does manage to be on par with Kratos, though, watch out.

As far as Tales goes, it's the only Nintendo-centric option in the poll, meaning it has a nice standout factor going for it. I don't think it's going to have a shot at advancing, but it might be able to steal third. At the least, it'll manage a respectable fourth.

San Andreas -- 31%
Oblivion -- 27%
God of War -- 22%
Tales of Symphonia -- 20%

Bracket: San Andreas > Oblivion
Favorites: God of War > Tales of Symphonia

Lopen’s Analysis

Remember what I've been saying about GTA? GTA3: San Andreas will be the strongest offering of the series, and it should easily get first here. Despite what GTA3 did, GTA: Vice City looked pretty good and these three games are not even close to Halo/D2/KotoR strengthwise.

As for second place... the consensus seems to be God of War. I can't disagree, I've got it in my bracket too. I don't think this is a match that isn't at all worthy of debate, though. God of War has never looked good in polls other than Kratos... and God of War might have its casual support nuked by GTA... and Kratos definitely strikes me as a character like Dante that is probably stronger than his games.

On the other hand, Tales of Symphonia actually did look pretty good when the game was in polls. It beat Paper Mario and while Metroid Prime 2 beat it, it wasn't by that much. It'll have that fanatical cult RPG backing, and the sore thumb factor of being the only Nintendo rep here. Oblivion... well, it's not fodder, and it might not need to be too far from it to beat God of War based on what we've seen from the game in polls, and you know... ToS is ToS. On the other hand, Morrowind didn't too terribly, but 16% isn't that great either.

Eh, let's do this! I'm taking Tales of Symphonia (oh yeah it won't burn me AGAIN) here more out of skepticism of the other two games than me thinking it will be terribly strong. Raw bias at work here, along with the idea that no one in the crew is going to go with it. Not confident in this one at all-- I think any of the games could take it. Let's go Symphonia do something marginally impressive for once in your life!

Lopen's Prediction:
GTA: San Andreas – 37.03%
Tales of Symphonia – 21.07%
God of War – 20.96%
Oblivion – 20.94%



Transience’s Analysis

Most of my crewmates are going to pick Oblivion for second place. They'll say GOW has a chance but that it's never done anything impressive in polls.

I'm gonna one-up them.

Let me preface this by saying that I think San Andreas is the strongest GTA game by a decent bit. I don't think they're *that* far apart, but SA is the game that has the highest ceiling - it's the one that gets talked about the most and has had one of the most impressive FAQ runs ever. It had easily the highest position on The List. GTA's fallen off the map some, but I think SA is a game that might buck that trend. It should have some decent strength.

But I don't think it can beat Oblivion.

GameFAQs has been an RPG site first and foremost for the entirety of its life. With Japanese RPGs going extinct, many people have turned to Western RPGs; Bethesda has become the new Square. Last week we saw Morrowind do pretty damn well against some vaunted competition - MGS2 and FFX. Sure, it didn't threaten for second place, but it wasn't even supposed to contend for third and it nearly doubled that. Two days ago, we saw KOTOR, another WRPG with a lot of similarities to Oblivion, do better than anybody could have reasonably expected. A few months ago, we saw Fallout 3, essentially a new IP to most GameFAQs members, stand tall against two giants on this site, Smash Bros. and Metal Gear Solid.

Oblivion's no Fallout 3, but it's not that far behind either.

It's got great reviews. Previous polls have been kind to it and Fallout 3's mega-popularity has done well for it. It's got one of the best My Games numbers around, impressive for a game that came out before SB introduced the feature. We've seen the site shift towards the 360 bigtime in recent years. But most importantly, there is a pretty big audience for WRPGs these days. I bet Oblivion could take FF12 just because that audience is bigger than the new Square audience these days. People love this stuff.

And it's gonna beat GTA convincingly.

transience's prediction:

The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion - 32%
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas - 28%
God of War - 23%
Tales of Symphonia - 17%


Leon’s Analysis

God of War: Action games just don’t seem to be that popular on GameFAQs. Kratos himself is strong, but his games don’t seem like they are. It seems to be the same way with Dante. He’s very popular, but the Devil May Cry series isn’t. It’s strange because you’d think that if the characters were popular, the games would be more popular just based on the nature of the games themselves. Anyway, God of War couldn’t even beat Mario Kart DS back in 2005 (Admittedly, this doesn’t look QUITE as bad anymore), and Resident Evil 4 owned it. I originally had this game in second place, but I just don’t think it’s got enough to do it.

Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas: San Andreas may be the only Grand Theft Auto game to get past the first round (although GTA IV seems pretty safe at this point). If this contest were held five years ago, they’d all probably be in the second round at least. Times have changed. Despite how far the series has fallen, San Andreas really shouldn’t have that much trouble here. It’s facing a bunch of lower tier games. It’d be one of the biggest choke jobs in the contest if San Andreas failed to advance here, and it’d be a pretty disappointing performance if it didn’t win this match outright.

Tales of Symphonia: What is it about Tales of Symphonia getting put into positions where it teases you with the possibility of victory? I refused to let myself pick this game to advance because Kratos has burned me twice before. I honestly think this game CAN advance just due to the nature of its competition, and it should be stronger than any of the characters, but…I remain naturally skeptical until it gives me reason not to be. God of War and Oblivion aren’t staggering competition by any means, so I doubt Tales of Symphonia gets blown out here. It should do decently overall, but I’m NOT picking it to advance! No, sir!

The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion: I’m reluctantly taking this game to finish second in this poll. Back in 2006, it did decently in the polls it appeared in. It came close to Kingdom Hearts II in the Game-of-the-Year-so-far poll in late May, and it didn’t finish too far behind FFXII and Gears of War of the GOTY final. I’m trying to compare performances between Oblivion and God of War from their GOTY polls, and I think Oblivion’s is slightly better. I honestly don’t feel good about any of these games’ chances of finishing second behind San Andreas. It’s up for grabs, in my opinion.

Leonhart’s Vote: Tales of Symphonia! Games with Presea > Games without Presea!

Leonhart’s Prediction:

God of War – 22.01%
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas – 34.75%
Tales of Symphonia – 20.13%
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion – 23.11%



Ed Bellis’s Analysis

Hastily written analysis ahoy! Any of these games could theoretically move on. Except Symphonia. >_>

In my original bracket I had God of War over San Andreas, and I’ll be sticking with that… except reversed. GTA’s been impressing all contest, and it stands to reason that San Andreas would be the strongest in the series. Oblivion could upset here if God of War tanks, which… isn’t outside the realm of possibility. And nobody cares about ToS outside of Board 8.

I expect this to be another Halo/Diablo II/GTA3/KOTOR match, with no game having a clear advantage over the others.

Prediction: driving sim ahoy
God of War with 25.66%
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas with 30.01%
Tales of Symphonia with 19.52%
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion with 24.81%

Guest’s Analysis - KamikazePotato

God of War has no shot here. I’ve been saying this from the first day, and I’m still surprised at how many people picked it in first. Every single action game, be it Devil May Cry, Ninja Gaiden, or God of War has always stunk up every PotD or GotY poll they’ve been in. Why people expect God of War to automatically have strength based on Kratos is beyond me. We’ve seen so many examples of games=/=characters, the most relevant one for this match being Dante, who is leagues above his games. And now it’s stuck with two other casual games that sold more than it? Yeah, God of War takes a comfortable fourth place for this match.

I think San Andreas is safe for first place. It’s going to be stronger than Vice City, if not by much, and Vice City did just beat Metroid Prime. I wouldn’t be surprised if Oblivion impressed enough to upset it, but I doubt it happens.

Oblivion is pretty much a lock for at least second place. It’s already had strong PotD and GotY showings, and Morrowind just impressed. Morrowind. How many people on GameFAQs have even played Morrowind? Oblivion was just given a very good floor to work with, and it’s going to capitalize on it nicely. And that should be that…

OR IS IT

ACTUALLY IT IS BUT HUMOR MY FANBOY-INFUSED ANALYSIS K THANKS

Tales of Symphonia stands out like nuts here. It’s got by far the most dedicated fans (how else would we get someone like Zelos Wilder in, seriously), and by far the most unique fans. Cult Nintendo RPG vs. Casual, Casual, and Casual? It’s going to benefit quite a bit from that.

We’ve already seen precedents for Tales of Symphonia impressing. KOTOR just went toe-to-toe with a game it had absolutely no business being close to, 5 years after it got its face kicked in by Vice City, beating GTAIII in the process. Disgaea was given some Sore Thumb Factor to work with, and probably ends up above 15% by the end of the match.

You’re telling me Disgaea can nab 15% against three games much tougher than the three here, and Tales of Symphonia isn’t going to shoot for the moon? Sorry, but I’m siding with The Game That Was Popular On Board 8 For 2 Months.

San Andreas: 28%
Tales of Symphonia: 25.6%
Oblivion: 25.4%
God of War: 22%



Crew Consensus: So we have SA > Oblivion, SA > ToS, SA > GoW and Oblivion > SA, geez

Tales of Symphonia: 25.6%

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I think the game will be stronger than what's indicated by discussion in this topic.

I do agree in that I think the game won't be weak - I don't put much stock in the bad PotD performances people keep bringing up. However I also think think the competition here is pretty respectable.

I have a strange feeling Oblivion will hugely impress tonight.

You don't need a strange feeling for that :) Lots of people think Oblivion can win.
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Actually at this point I'd be surprised if Oblivion fails to beat God of War.

As for San Andreas, I may have too much faith in it.
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Time for some GTA suckitude (I gotta hope it ain't too strong so WoW can advance next round!)
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Time for the HUNTING BEAST to come and take its crown.

Tales of Symphonia for first.
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So ToS with the board lead while GTA with a terrible board vote.
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God of War 8.33%

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Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas 41.67%

5
Tales of Symphonia 41.67%

5
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion 8.33%

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TOTAL VOTES 12

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Match 25 - Bracket: GTA:SA > GoW - Vote: ToS (69/96)

aww yeah TOS board vote time
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Today's prediction: OJ Loc 29.39% - Oblivion 26.86% - God of War 26.09% - Symphonia 17.66%
Status:

God of War 12.5%

1
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas 62.5%

5
Tales of Symphonia 25%

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The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion 0%

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TOTAL VOTES 8
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God of War 20.48% 17
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas 24.1% 20
Tales of Symphonia 37.35% 31
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion 18.07% 15
TOTAL VOTES 83

lol board vote
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Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests.