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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 696

charmander6000 | Posted 4/30/2009 11:16:37 AM | message detail
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas with 40%? No way. I'm seeing it closer to yestedays match then anything (except ToS falls under 20%)

Have you seen its competition or do you think GoW and Oblivion have some kind of strength?
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/30/2009 11:16:43 AM | message detail
Fire Emblem's strength mostly comes from SSB, which is very ASV-heavy, so you'd think it would also have a very strong ASV. Ike has certainly shown it.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/30/2009 11:18:46 AM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #301
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas with 40%? No way. I'm seeing it closer to yestedays match then anything (except ToS falls under 20%)

Have you seen its competition or do you think GoW and Oblivion have some kind of strength?


Unless you think VC would put 40% in that match, then I don't see how its possible.

Fire Emblem's strength mostly comes from SSB, which is very ASV-heavy, so you'd think it would also have a very strong ASV. Ike has certainly shown it.

As I said. Samus has a good ASV, but failed against GTA in the ASV when it came to her game. Don't expect SSB type asv to go to the games as easily as the characters
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/30/2009 11:19:00 AM | message detail
I doubt Fire Emblem is a major ASV game. The characters likely only do well cuz of SSB, and we saw how that translated to Metroid Prime.

Hmmm...*checks Fire Emblem in the Series Contest*

Man, barely any progress against Silent Hill and Metal Gear?

I stand corrected. Melee is going to rip this poll apart in about 15 minutes though.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/30/2009 11:20:38 AM | message detail
I'm fully expecting God of War to get 4th tonight.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/30/2009 11:20:45 AM | message detail
Samus doesn't have a good ASV. Metroid and Samus do about the same from start to finish. They're probably the most consistent entities we've seen in these contests as far as trends go.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/30/2009 11:22:08 AM | message detail
Unless you think VC would put 40% in that match, then I don't see how its possible.

San Andreas > Vice City, easily and for the recored I would've taken Vice City for first in this match.
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nintendogirl1 | Posted 4/30/2009 11:22:14 AM | message detail
From: LeonhartFour
Samus doesn't have a good ASV. Metroid and Samus do about the same from start to finish. They're probably the most consistent entities we've seen in these contests as far as trends go.

Did you completely miss KotOR yesterday?
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/30/2009 11:22:15 AM | message detail
The difference is that Metroid is actually a decent series without SSB, and Samus doesn't have SSB-trends, but rather one of the most even trends of all Nintendo characters. I don't know how Melee being in the poll would affect FE here though- maybe its SSB fanbase is already almost completely SFF'd away and what we're seeing here is people who have actually played and liked the RPGs.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/30/2009 11:23:30 AM | message detail
Basically, going by MGS2 vs. Morrowind, I'd take Oblivion to be about even to MGS, since Oblivion >>> Morrowind

I wouldn't take San Andreas to blow out MGS2.
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/30/2009 11:24:31 AM | message detail
On the other hand, if Fire Emblem made no progress with the day vote against Silent Hill and Metal Gear......that's good, let's go Melee! To 50%! (well, maybe not, but 49% is doable I think)
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/30/2009 11:28:17 AM | message detail
Basically, going by MGS2 vs. Morrowind, I'd take Oblivion to be about even to MGS, since Oblivion >>> Morrowind

Yes because three PS2 games are not going to affect each other. While Oblivion is more popular than Morrowind it wouldn't destroy it. Also while I wouldn't take it as a blowout I would take San Andreas over MGS2.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/30/2009 11:30:12 AM | message detail
Charmander, please explain this to me


Carl Johnson (2005c) VS Tommy Vercetti (2005c)

Carl Johnson has a strength of 18.42.
Tommy Vercetti has a strength of 23.25.

Tommy Vercetti wins with 60.39% of the vote!
A win of 20,748 with 99,874 total votes cast.
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creativename | Posted 4/30/2009 11:30:19 AM | message detail
I think Oblivion could win tomorrow.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/30/2009 11:31:02 AM | message detail
Oblivion and Tales of Symphonia have better shots at advancing than God of War does.

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Breakdown777 | Posted 4/30/2009 11:31:22 AM | message detail
*checks stuff for the first time today*

Leaderboard! Filling out brackets for 4 years and it's the first time I've been on it (though my stay probably won't be too long). I figured full points yesterday would get me close, but really didn't expect so little Diablo support, especially at the top.

And not sure if today is more Melee impressing or WW sucking, but hoping for the former, it could have itself a deep run.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/30/2009 11:31:44 AM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #315
Tales of Symphonia have better shots at advancing than God of War does.


Hey now, theres joking, then theres just lying
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/30/2009 11:32:29 AM | message detail
No, seriously. GoW has got nothing on Oblivion. ToS at least has the untested + standout factor.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/30/2009 11:33:19 AM | message detail
Untested? Its pretty tested.

http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Zero_vs_HK-47_vs_Lloyd_vs_Jak_2007
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ZFS | Posted 4/30/2009 11:33:56 AM | message detail
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/30/2009 11:34:13 AM | message detail
1. Games=/=characters.
2. Lloyd :: Tidus
3. Considering what KOTOR just did...

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ZFS | Posted 4/30/2009 11:34:44 AM | message detail
Tales has the standout factor, anyway. It's not any less known than God of War as far as being 'tested' goes.

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red sox 777 | Posted 4/30/2009 11:35:10 AM | message detail
Oblivion looks the best of all the games for tomorrow; I rather regret not having it take first. Also, I'm still not convinced SA is actually stronger than VC, favorite GTA poll or not. That was right after release, and I don't trust it.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/30/2009 11:35:18 AM | message detail
Tales of Symphonia the game has one GotY poll where it was stuck with the only other RPG that ever did well on the Gamecube. God of War games have had plenty of (pathetic) showings.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/30/2009 11:35:57 AM | message detail
I know Games=/=characters, but the fact that Kratos would completly embarress the other Kratos from ToS is enough evidence for me
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Majin Lou | Posted 4/30/2009 11:36:12 AM | message detail
From: MyWorldIsCrono | Posted: 4/30/2009 2:30:12 PM | #313
Charmander, please explain this to me


Carl Johnson (2005c) VS Tommy Vercetti (2005c)

Carl Johnson has a strength of 18.42.
Tommy Vercetti has a strength of 23.25.

Tommy Vercetti wins with 60.39% of the vote!
A win of 20,748 with 99,874 total votes cast.


B-b-but CJ wasn't even IN his picture!

*gets smacked*
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/30/2009 11:36:30 AM | message detail

From: creativename | #314
I think Oblivion could win tomorrow.


Absolutely. GTA hasn't been very impressive thus far (even Vice City' just took advantage of a Metroid implosion), so it wouldn't surprise me if Oblivion made good on all its inherent advantages and won.

From: Breakdown777 | #316
*checks stuff for the first time today*

Leaderboard! Filling out brackets for 4 years and it's the first time I've been on it (though my stay probably won't be too long). I figured full points yesterday would get me close, but really didn't expect so little Diablo support, especially at the top.

And not sure if today is more Melee impressing or WW sucking, but hoping for the former, it could have itself a deep run.


Congrats!
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ZFS | Posted 4/30/2009 11:37:44 AM | message detail
Tales of Symphonia the game has one GotY poll where it was stuck with the only other RPG that ever did well on the Gamecube. God of War games have had plenty of (pathetic) showings.

During a time where Tales was at the peak of its popularity, with Paper Mario being the other RPG in that poll. I have Tales coming in a close fourth behind GoW tomorrow, but don't make it out to be more than it is. Tales is gonna be weak.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/30/2009 11:37:46 AM | message detail
I'm going to skip to the end of this debate where your oversimplified arguments still make no sense and all that has been accomplished is giving me a migraine.


k done.

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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/30/2009 11:38:34 AM | message detail
Three right, going on four.

Fourth prediction: God of War wins tomorrow, with GTA coming in second. This is crazy for me, just because I don't trust SA to do anything here.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/30/2009 11:39:11 AM | message detail
The argument wasn't that ToS is likely to have strength, it was that it had a better chance of advancing than GoW. Which it does. God of War simply does not have any advantages over Oblivion and SA going into this.

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ZFS | Posted 4/30/2009 11:42:27 AM | message detail
Neither does Tales.

I'd sooner give God of War a chance at advancing before I would Tales, not that I'd consider either one all that likely to move on tomorrow, but give me the bigger franchise over a cult RPG.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/30/2009 11:42:39 AM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #329
I'm going to skip to the end of this debate where your oversimplified arguments still make no sense and all that has been accomplished is giving me a migraine.


k done.


So much for ending the debate!
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The Mana Sword | Posted 4/30/2009 11:43:11 AM | message detail
Oblivion wins tomorrow book it.

(I can hope)
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/30/2009 11:44:27 AM | message detail
That post was directed at you, Albion.


Like I said, Tales is at least somewhat untested and has standout factor. Slim chances, yeah, but it's in a better position than GoW, which is outclassed in every way. Tales probably ends up in fourth, but I like it's crazy upset possibilities more than GoW's.

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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/30/2009 11:44:30 AM | message detail
Exactly. God of War is the biggest franchise from the PS2. Anyone thinking it doesn't have strength even after seeing Kratos in the character contests is deluding themselves.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/30/2009 11:45:18 AM | message detail
Slim chances, yeah, but it's in a better position than GoW, which is outclassed in every way

except in popularity
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ZFS | Posted 4/30/2009 11:46:01 AM | message detail
Well, I wouldn't look at Kratos and say that God of War is going to be strong. Kratos is probably a lot like Dante -- much more popular than his games.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/30/2009 11:46:38 AM | message detail
Yeah...try checking some PotD or GotY polls. Get back to me if you can find one instance of any action game, be it GoW, DMC, or Ninja Gaiden, ever impressing.

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 4/30/2009 11:48:38 AM | message detail
God of War's going to impress tomorrow. I wouldn't be surprised to see it win the poll, though I don't think it'll happen.

And if anyone brings up going even with MKDS...I'd take MKDS over Oblivion too, and GoW only really exploded in popularity after the first year it was out.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/30/2009 11:49:06 AM | message detail
I don't care about PotD/GotY polls. They mean nothing to me.

I'm going with my own logic after being here a few years. GoW is more popular then DMC, and don't even bother with NG since it's a minor series.

With that said, Oblivion has a great shot at it, but I do believe that GoW will finish in first here.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/30/2009 11:49:21 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1588

its a weird named poll though
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/30/2009 11:50:30 AM | message detail
I don't care about PotD/GotY polls. They mean nothing to me.

Then try not to be surprised when your prediction falls flat on its face.

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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/30/2009 11:51:08 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1588

its a weird named poll though


It's also absolutely pointless to the argument at hand. I'd take the minor NG series over all of those games.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/30/2009 11:51:42 AM | message detail
Then try not to be surprised when your prediction falls flat on its face.

I'm 3/3 now with these predictions. It's bound to happen sooner or later.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/30/2009 11:52:01 AM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #343
I don't care about PotD/GotY polls. They mean nothing to me.

Then try not to be surprised when your prediction falls flat on its face.


Yeah, cuz POTDs are always right!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1087

o wait
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/30/2009 11:52:57 AM | message detail
poll=1087

Your arguments get worse and worse.

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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/30/2009 11:53:39 AM | message detail
PotD/GotY only shows what's relevant the year it came out. Everyone's been linking to polls from 2002 and expecting everyone to follow that crap like it's gospel.

When it comes to the final division, then I'll take those polls more seriously.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/30/2009 11:55:31 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3005

hey guys, god of war > Kingdom Hearts and god of war > FF version of SSB

god of war for 50% here
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/30/2009 11:56:13 AM | message detail
Your arguments seriously get worse. And worse. And worse.

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