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Do you guys think that SSBM is SFFing Wind Waker, or is 37% on Melee legit?
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Speaking of which, Wind Waker is getting 37% on Melee, Majora's Mask got 36.28% on R/B/Y, Final Fantasy Tactics got 38.07% on MGS, StarCraft got 38.85% on FFVIII, MGS2 got 37.74% on FFX, Vice City got 38.60% and Prime got 36.62% on Kingdom Hearts. With that said...

Rank these games:

Wind Waker
Majora's Mask
Final Fantasy Tactics
StarCraft
Metal Gear Solid 2
Vice City
Metroid Prime
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Vice City
Metal Gear Solid 2
Wind Waker
Metroid Prime

(gap)

Starcraft
Majora's Mask
Final Fantasy Tactics
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Well, most Nintendo fans prefer Wind Waker over Melee (especially nowadays), so Wind Waker would be rSFFing Melee from that standpoint.

Then again, most Nintendo fans prefer Super Mario over Smash, and we all know how THAT turned out!!! Though I think that was just because 6th generation gamers liked Smash more than any Mario game that came out during that generation, and most of those gamers were multiplayer guys who didn't care about any of the previous titles in the series.

That suggests, however, that Melee's main fanbase is NOT Nintendo. Do you guys agree with this theory?

According to the list, Metal Gear Solid 2 and Final Fantasy IX both beat Wind Waker. Then again, DOOM placed #33 on that list while Donkey Kong Country didn't even make it, and we all know how THAT turned out!!! Similarly, Half-Life was ahead of Final Fantasy IX, Final Fantasy Tactics was in the top 20 while Pokemon Gold/Silver was barely in the top 60, and Metroid Prime was ahead of GTA: Vice City. We know how THOSE TURNED OUT!!!

From: LinkMarioSamus | #254
Well, most Nintendo fans prefer Wind Waker over Melee

No they don't.
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My ranking of aforementioned games

Metroid Prime
Wind Waker
StarCraft
GTA: Vice City
Final Fantasy Tactics
Metal Gear Solid 2
Majora's Mask

And before you laugh at me for putting Metroid Prime on top, keep in mind that we don't really know that game's strength. It was under an SFF situation in 2004, and this year it was killed by having to share votes with Paper Mario.

Not to mention that Halo was #9! LOL List

Well, most Nintendo fans prefer Wind Waker over Melee (especially nowadays), so Wind Waker would be rSFFing Melee from that standpoint.

Not sure I can agree with you on this one!

But does Melee have a significant fanbase outside of the standard Nintendo base? I'd say it does. I think that's part of the reason the series held up to SMB so well, although part of that was Brawl hype.
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It was under an SFF situation in 2004, and this year it was killed by having to share votes with Paper Mario.

But you rank it above the game that beat it in 2004 anyway!
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@LeonhartFour

Both of the lists from Nintendo Power and Official Nintendo Magazine have Wind Waker ahead of Melee. Same true with Nintendo Power's Top 20 GCN Games List.

As a matter of fact, Melee is #58 on ONM's list, while Wind Waker is #12.

Oh, and does anybody think that Melee is a definite candidate for the largest range of praise. One website gave it a 5/10, but GameFAQs voted it as the 6th best game ever. One list of the Best GCN Games placed it below Mario Kart Double Dash, but a Best Games Ever list placed it ahead of Ocarina of Time.

And according to Gamerankings, Melee shouldn't even beat Mario Sunshine!!! (Melee has an average of 90% while Mario Sunshine has 92%)

Both of the lists from Nintendo Power and Official Nintendo Magazine have Wind Waker ahead of Melee. Same true with Nintendo Power's Top 20 GCN Games List.

As a matter of fact, Melee is #58 on ONM's list, while Wind Waker is #12.

This is GameFAQs, not Nintendo Power.

And Melee gets a wide range of scores from critics, but fans love it, so...
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Grah, I was hoping WW could pull 30% in this poll, but I guess I can't be too disappointed. 26% on SSBM vs. 28% on RBY, I'd take the former anytime. And yeah, this is probably one of the worst non-Zelda opponents WW could get honestly, so not too bad a performance although it pretty much is the final nail in the confirmation that anything under Starcraft in 2004 is vastly overrated.

One thing I DO get out of this is that LttP's strength is legit and not just due to the Zelda name!

This match does make me nervous about TP vs. Brawl though...
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If Twilight Princess beats Resident Evil 4 then all hope in this site is gone. I think it will beat Half-Life 2, but I still think Half-Life 2 shouldn't have any problems disposing of the other two games. Gordon Freeman has easily beaten Balthier and Phoenix Wright before, hasn't he?

I wouldn't be that worried about a TP vs. Brawl match. TP always looked like it was going to be the third strongest Zelda game, a ways above MM and TWW, and Brawl clearly is no Melee, unless you want to bring MGS4 along for the ride.

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And according to Gamerankings, Melee shouldn't even beat Mario Sunshine!!! (Melee has an average of 90% while Mario Sunshine has 92%)

I think this is where you lost the most creditabilitly in your post. Using game scores and FAQ ranks were so 2003.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: SSBM > LoZ: WW Points: 67/92

That's true, but on this site it overcomes that hurdle so much that it beats Super Mario 64.

TP/RE4/SSBB/MGS4

MGS4 > TP

Still happy it'll go that way, although Galaxy beating out Brawl is always a possibility.
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I wouldn't be that worried about a TP vs. Brawl match. TP always looked like it was going to be the third strongest Zelda game, a ways above MM and TWW, and Brawl clearly is no Melee, unless you want to bring MGS4 along for the ride.

I did take MGS4 along for a ride. Perhaps too long <_<;
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I think I may have overestimated that one-on-one GotY poll with Brawl. I even took MGS4 to beat out FFX the next round!
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Nah, pretty happy it takes third there behind OoT and FFX.

With TP looking hilarious.
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I love SFF.

Disgaea is really impressing here. It must be that stand-out factor.
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Disgaea is really impressing here. It must be that stand-out factor.

It is. Personally, I think it'd struggle to beat Fire Emblem 1-on-1.
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SSB is about as pure Nintendo as it gets. It's the Nintendo All-Stars Battle Royale, right? By contrast, I'd think SMB would have gotten a lot more non-Nintendo votes- most everyone can at least respect Mario, whether you are a Nintendo fan or not.
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This match does make me nervous about TP vs. Brawl though...

I don't know why. TP, for all the "disappointment," is still well liked.

Same with Brawl.
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Same with Brawl.

Uh, that's exactly why I'm nervous. Does something explicitly indicate that one of these is definitely more popular than the other?
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Yeah, I don't think Brawl will finish that far behind Melee when it's all said and done. I think the hate for it is overrated. But I think TP is stronger than people give it credit for, too.

Regardless, we don't have a poll with both of them in it, so you can only go off of their GOTY performances and compare. Brawl had a harder field though.
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Fun thought, if a few people are taking LttP>FF7 with FF6 and CT, would anyone take FFX>OoT with RBY and Melee? Especially since a few people think RBY has a significant non-Nintendo fanbase.
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Isn't the gap between LttP and FFVII much smaller than FFX and OoT?

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BGE2 - Today's Match: SSBM > LoZ: WW Points: 67/92

Depends on how strong you think FFX is. If it's stronger than FFVI, which got 47.5% on LttP, they're not that far apart, are they?
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You know I'm not having much faith in God of War's strength right now. Oblivion may take the upset. Either way we're going to have San Andreas blow everything out in a low scoring match.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: SSBM > LoZ: WW Points: 67/92

Being stronger than FFVI now and being stronger than FFVI in 2004 are two very different things!
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Especially since FF6 didn't look to be that strong in its matchup...
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I meant this year, BTW.
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"Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia

Yeah, FFVI definitely doesn't look up to its 2k4 levels (unless LA is a real powerhouse), so FFX could be a bit stronger than FFVI now and still not be worth 48% on LttP.

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What are the general estimates for San Andreas' performance next match? Its probably my 2nd favourite game ever and I'm wondering whether 50-55% is a possibility on this fairly soft fourpack. Also does anyone think it may have a chance of advancing in the second round if Halo/WoW flop?

50% is a bit high, but it should break 40's with ease.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: SSBM > LoZ: WW Points: 67/92

what a boring match. there is not going to be a better match then there was yesterday. That match made this contest.

You know I'm not having much faith in God of War's strength right now. Oblivion may take the upset.

If Oblivion wins, it shouldn't be considered an upset.
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If Oblivion wins, it shouldn't be considered an upset.

If GoW is going to follow DMC's footsteps I wouldn't disagree.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: SSBM > LoZ: WW Points: 67/92

I think GOW will be weak anyway, but San Andreas is going to take most of its PS2 support. I've got Oblivion going through.

Do you guys think that SSBM is SFFing Wind Waker, or is 37% on Melee legit?

...really now? Of course there's significant SFF at play here. Zelda has looked bad its last two times out, but there's no way Disgaea is worth 38% on Wind Waker. Hell, Disgaea is avoiding the tripling from Melee at the moment, and there's no way anyone would expect that in a 1v1. This match is basically a simultaneous display of SFF, LFF, and Stand Out Factor.

Yes, they do exist. Even in this contest, shock!
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Yes, they do exist. Even in this contest, shock!

Only to people who apparently haven't been paying attention to the contest for years :)


The day after the contest, Zelda put up a staggering 40% in that poll (and we thought FFVII's 24% was impressive).

You have to take polls like that with a huge grain of salt. If a poll like that had been run for SMB, a lot of those 40% who said Zelda really was the best would've said SMB really was the best. These poll figures would sum up to way over 100% if you ran a bunch of them.
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Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas with 40%? No way. I'm seeing it closer to yestedays match then anything (except ToS falls under 20%)
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ZDF (Zelda Decline Factor) is also at work here, folks.

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I may be fine and divine, but sometimes even contest know-nothings like Jose make better predictions than I...though not often

Also looking at the morning vote...

Disgaea really held its own in the morning vote against 3 Nintendo games. I'm surprised, maybe it won't be rocked during the asv as much as thought.
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...really now? Of course there's significant SFF at play here

I was just asking because R/B/Y put up similar numbers on Majora's Mask.

Which of course could also be significant SFF at play, so...*shrugs*

Either way, after seeing everything connected to StarCraft bomb, I dunno why Wind Waker would be the exception. It still looks stronger than StarCraft even after this unless we're going the FFVIII > Melee route, which I doubt many people are!
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Hey- there's my buddy Laharl pulling wieght! Never would have guessed it. Too bad there is crazy SFF going on.

Does anyone think any of the other Altus SJRPG would do better here? Disgaea2/3, Phantom Brave, etc? I don't see any of them having the character boost like Laharl gives...


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Disgaea really held its own in the morning vote against 3 Nintendo games. I'm surprised, maybe it won't be rocked during the asv as much as thought

Holding your own in the morning vote doesn't mean you don't get rocked in the ASV.

Look at both GTA games the last two days for a prime example. Fire Emblem is a major ASV game and so is Smash Bros., much more than they are morning games. Disgaea's gonna drop a good bit.
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From: LeonhartFour | #298
Disgaea really held its own in the morning vote against 3 Nintendo games. I'm surprised, maybe it won't be rocked during the asv as much as thought

Holding your own in the morning vote doesn't mean you don't get rocked in the ASV.

Look at both GTA games the last two days for a prime example. Fire Emblem is a major ASV game and so is Smash Bros., much more than they are morning games. Disgaea's gonna drop a good bit.

I doubt Fire Emblem is a major ASV game. The characters likely only do well cuz of SSB, and we saw how that translated to Metroid Prime.
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It might not look stronger than Starcraft after Melee is done with the ASV today. And yeah, this contest has validated Starcraft's half of the division being overrated about as well as it is possible for a contest to do it 5 years later.
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