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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 696

KamikazePotato | Posted 4/30/2009 4:29:34 PM | message detail
I picked ToS to advance and I've known it was getting 3rd (and maybe 4th) from the start. I don't see the problem in having fun in a spot worth 2 points.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/30/2009 4:30:42 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #451
I picked ToS to advance and I've known it was getting 3rd (and maybe 4th) from the start. I don't see the problem in having fun in a spot worth 2 points.


Having fun is fine, but trying to argue that it actually stands a chance is kinda odd >_>;
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/30/2009 4:30:46 PM | message detail
Reverse psychology never fails.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/30/2009 4:31:44 PM | message detail
Of course it stands a chance. We just saw KOTOR almost upend Halo. You think I'm counting out any reasonable possibility anymore?

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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/30/2009 4:32:21 PM | message detail
And by chance, I mean slim chance...but slim chances have worked out before!

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/30/2009 4:33:52 PM | message detail
The only chance I see it having is that its the only japanese/nintendo type game against 3 more American style games and since this is a more japanese/nintendo oriented gaming site, it might stand out enough to advance

But I doubt it.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/30/2009 4:34:45 PM | message detail
Tomorrow's match might be the first since Mario 3's where we should give any of the four games a plausible shot to advance.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/30/2009 4:37:34 PM | message detail
I'm not even sold GTA: SA is a lock.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/30/2009 4:41:56 PM | message detail
There's no way I see San Andreas losing to anything but Oblivion, so at the very worst, it advances in second place.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/30/2009 4:42:13 PM | message detail
God of War and San Andreas are leagues above the other two.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/30/2009 4:42:56 PM | message detail
I'm pretty sure SA has the potential to be the strongest here. But we thought that for Halo and it almost didn't advance, so I don't see it out of the question.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/30/2009 4:43:54 PM | message detail
I would be surprised if SA didn't advance...but not that much.

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HaRRicH | Posted 4/30/2009 4:45:13 PM | message detail
Yeah, no hard feelings and it can be fun to argue for favorites...it just feels like the argument's not done the game's reps well thus far and it happens every year. I'm just trying to stay out of them until new stuff comes up about it that leads me to believe otherwise.


In other news, SSBM is now officially breaking 65% on LoZ:WW again (currently with 65.01% and growing). For comparison, Pokemon R/B/Y beat LoZ:MM with 63.72%, and that was when two other N64 games were in the poll so I wonder if LoZ:MM could have made it another 1%-3% closer one-on-one. Throw in our thinking of LoZ:WW >= LoZ:MM, and it looks like SSBM has distanced itself nicely from R/B/Y. Whether that's SSBM surpassing expectations or R/B/Y being quickly over-rated, well, it's hard to say since we're in R1...but I still think R/B/Y will have a legitimate claim as a top ten game if it holds well next round.
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BDawg | Posted 4/30/2009 4:45:32 PM | message detail
I don't think anything in these two divisions is a lock, it's time to get craaaaaazy.
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transients | Posted 4/30/2009 4:46:21 PM | message detail
I'll ask again - Melee vs. Diablo 2 heads-up, what happens?
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ZFS | Posted 4/30/2009 4:46:49 PM | message detail
Man, we need some better matches. Last two in the next division are gonna be fun.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/30/2009 4:47:44 PM | message detail

From: transients | #465
I'll ask again - Melee vs. Diablo 2 heads-up, what happens?


I'd give it about what Wind Waker has on SSBM now... should be a really close match.
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 4/30/2009 4:48:02 PM | message detail
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GTA has TJF
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/30/2009 4:48:20 PM | message detail

From: ZFS | #466
Man, we need some better matches. Last two in the next division are gonna be fun.


Whats good about the RE4/KH2/GoW/SotC one?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/30/2009 4:48:29 PM | message detail
My ToS pic!

Which I suppose I can now safely say is from Soul Calibur Legends!

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ZFS | Posted 4/30/2009 4:50:01 PM | message detail
RE4/KH2 is more fun to watch than these past couple of matches.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/30/2009 4:50:09 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #470
My ToS pic!

Which I suppose I can now safely say is from Soul Calibur Legends!


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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/30/2009 4:50:35 PM | message detail

From: ZFS | #471
RE4/KH2 is more fun to watch than these past couple of matches.


Huh, I expected it to be like a 40/30/20/10 match.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/30/2009 4:52:38 PM | message detail
Oblivion and ToS (lol bias) have great pics, SA's is pretty good. Don't like GoW's, too blurry.

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HaRRicH | Posted 4/30/2009 4:53:19 PM | message detail
Oh man, another division down -- I almost forgot!

FACT or FICTION: Final Fantasy X would beat Final Fantasy 3/6 with at least 52% head-to-head.
FACT or FICTION: GTA:SA > GTA3 > GTA:VC > GTA4.
FACT or FICTION: Diablo 2 is the strongest Blizzard game in the bracket.
FACT or FICTION: Super Smash Bros. Melee > Super Mario Bros. 3.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/30/2009 4:54:12 PM | message detail
Honestly, KH2 should be closer to Gears of War then RE4.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2622
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2630

Gears of War did better on FF12 then KH2. And I don't think you'd have FF12 competing with RE4...
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/30/2009 4:54:45 PM | message detail
Throw in our thinking of LoZ:WW >= LoZ:MM, and it looks like SSBM has distanced itself nicely from R/B/Y.

I don't know why anyone expected anything differently.

And honestly, the matches that have followed R/B/Y's dismantling of Majora's Mask have kind of watered down its performance for me. Sure, breaking 50% was great, but in my opinion, it doesn't seem to be as great of a performance now.

Also, great all around pic for tomorrow.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/30/2009 4:54:48 PM | message detail
FACT or FICTION: Final Fantasy X would beat Final Fantasy 3/6 with at least 52% head-to-head.
FACT. FFVI's result looks worse every day.

FACT or FICTION: GTA:SA > GTA3 > GTA:VC > GTA4.
FICTION. Vice City>GTA3.

FACT or FICTION: Diablo 2 is the strongest Blizzard game in the bracket.
FACT, barely.

FACT or FICTION: Super Smash Bros. Melee > Super Mario Bros. 3.
FACT...I guess. Hard to tell.

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HaRRicH | Posted 4/30/2009 4:56:42 PM | message detail
I'll ask again - Melee vs. Diablo 2 heads-up, what happens?

SSBM shouldn't ever let it get close. Though I like D2 > Starcraft here, neither of them are what Starcraft was in 2004 and it looks like SSBM ain't playing games this contest. We saw what FF8 did to Starcraft, so...I don't know if it'll be exactly like that beat-down, but it shouldn't be close by any means.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/30/2009 4:57:03 PM | message detail
FACT: Final Fantasy X would beat Final Fantasy 3/6 with at least 52% head-to-head.

Just guessing.

FICTION: GTA:SA > GTA3 > GTA:VC > GTA4.

I think VC > GTA III, for now at least.

FACT: Diablo 2 is the strongest Blizzard game in the bracket.

No reason to believe otherwise. It beat Halo relatively easily and didn't need rallying/cheating to do it.

FICTION: Super Smash Bros. Melee > Super Mario Bros. 3.

Get your propaganda outta here, HaRR!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/30/2009 4:58:27 PM | message detail
IMO wait 2 days till saying whos the strongest Blizz game.
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HaRRicH | Posted 4/30/2009 4:58:32 PM | message detail
Oh, and great pic tomorrow. I really like GoW's.
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Yesmar | Posted 4/30/2009 4:59:30 PM | message detail
God of War and San Andreas are leagues above the other two.

I don't know if God of War is that far ahead. I mean, unless you either think Morrowind = Oblivion or GoW = MGS2, it shouldn't be that far ahead if at all.
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HaRRicH | Posted 4/30/2009 4:59:34 PM | message detail
That's why I'm asking it now, to see if people are expecting WoW to outdo D2 or not.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/30/2009 5:02:35 PM | message detail
God of War has the best chance at flopping here. If ToS fails to hit 4th it will be because of God of War.
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ZFS | Posted 4/30/2009 5:02:53 PM | message detail
Gears of War did better on FF12 then KH2. And I don't think you'd have FF12 competing with RE4...

It's too soon to be getting into this, especially with you, but FFXII and KH2 would be smash Gears pretty good today. I wouldn't take a poll where Twilight Princess gets over 50% during its peak to mean much in 2009. TP will be lucky if it's able to push 40% in its match.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/30/2009 5:04:15 PM | message detail
I want to say GoW has the coolest pic, but it's hard to tell what's going on. It might have been better to focus on one of those Kratos action shots and make it bigger.

From: transients | #465
I'll ask again - Melee vs. Diablo 2 heads-up, what happens?


I'd say around a doubling; maybe Diablo can just escape one. These early-2000s games (Smash, WW, Halo, FFX, Starcraft/Diablo, KH) are a lot older than they were the last time around, so they've had time to distance themselves in terms of strength when before. In 2004, it looked like any match within that group would be 55/45 or closer, but now, it's clear some games have pulled away while others have fallen behind. For what it's worth, I also think Wind Waker would make very short work of the Diablos and Starcraft's of the world these days. It's not looking good here, but it's up against what is unquestionably the biggest Nintendo game on its console. We all saw what Ocarina did to its console's #2.

On another side note, that's what makes the Wii an exciting question mark this year - we're not sure what its top game is. It's kind of like Wind Waker/Melee all over again, actually.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/30/2009 5:04:38 PM | message detail

From: ZFS | #486
Gears of War did better on FF12 then KH2. And I don't think you'd have FF12 competing with RE4...

It's too soon to be getting into this, especially with you, but FFXII and KH2 would be smash Gears pretty good today. I wouldn't take a poll where Twilight Princess gets over 50% during its peak to mean much in 2009. TP will be lucky if it's able to push 40% in its match.


They probably would do better on Gears of War now, which is why I'm not saying Gears of War is gonna do an upset or anything. But I can't see it gaining tons of strength out of no where to actually be close to RE4 now.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/30/2009 5:04:59 PM | message detail
Or Wind Waker/Melee/Prime as was the case five years ago (although I reckon Smash was a reasonably big favorite).
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ZFS | Posted 4/30/2009 5:08:53 PM | message detail
It doesn't have much to do with gaining tons of strength. TP messed that GotY poll up pretty badly with its 53% -- that doesn't leave a lot of percentage to go around. If you took out TP and had FFXII face Gears, that wouldn't have been a close match then either. We'll see that when FFXII goes up against TP.

And I've always been skeptical of RE4's strength once we started calling it a top 10 sort of game. I'll need to see it before I buy into its strength before way up there, but it'll still more than likely win its match regardless.

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HaRRicH | Posted 4/30/2009 5:09:37 PM | message detail
On another side note, that's what makes the Wii an exciting question mark this year - we're not sure what its top game is. It's kind of like Wind Waker/Melee all over again, actually.

Fun point, though we do know it's almost certainly not SMG from the GotC-poll. SSBB's got to be a decent bit above that to compete with LoZ:TP in that regard.

Also, here's something just for kicks: for the N64, the launch-game was upended by the LoZ-game for its #1. For the Gamecube, the LoZ-game was upended by the launch game. For the Wii, the launch-game IS the LoZ-game.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/30/2009 5:11:11 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2629

Both games are still pretty similiar strengths next to eachother even if you add all the other fodder games.
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Meeks54 | Posted 4/30/2009 5:11:25 PM | message detail

From: HaRRicH | #491
On another side note, that's what makes the Wii an exciting question mark this year - we're not sure what its top game is. It's kind of like Wind Waker/Melee all over again, actually.

Fun point, though we do know it's almost certainly not SMG from the GotC-poll. SSBB's got to be a decent bit above that to compete with LoZ:TP in that regard.

Also, here's something just for kicks: for the N64, the launch-game was upended by the LoZ-game for its #1. For the Gamecube, the LoZ-game was upended by the launch game. For the Wii, the launch-game IS the LoZ-game.




ITT, Melee was a launch title I guess.


Could have fooled me.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/30/2009 5:12:16 PM | message detail
Best launch title for GC was Rogue Squadren tbqh
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/30/2009 5:15:43 PM | message detail
ITT, Melee was a launch title I guess.


Could have fooled me.


It's close enough, really.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/30/2009 5:15:58 PM | message detail
Melee was close enough to launch to be a launch title, yo!

On another side note, that's what makes the Wii an exciting question mark this year - we're not sure what its top game is. It's kind of like Wind Waker/Melee all over again, actually.

Unless you think TP struggles with MGS4, it's TP.
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HaRRicH | Posted 4/30/2009 5:16:09 PM | message detail
Deppest apologies for associating SSBM's intended release-date and actual release-date that came very soon after, Meeks.
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creativename | Posted 4/30/2009 5:16:51 PM | message detail
What the hells. Pages and pages of talk about Tales of Symphonia? Less talk about a game that has almost no shot, more talk about Oblivion, people!
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 4/30/2009 5:16:58 PM | message detail
Oblivion was doubled by Gears of War in the Xbox poll. Sure did a lot better when you add a lot of other games to the mix
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/30/2009 5:17:05 PM | message detail
Looking at one topic on Board 8, it looks like there are a wide range of predictions for tomorrow's match.
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