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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 693

The Mana Sword | Posted 4/28/2009 6:17:11 AM | message detail
Well this is unexpected.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/28/2009 6:20:59 AM | message detail
The only unexpected thing in this poll is how well Kingdom Hearts is doing.

So much for FFX > VC next round.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: KH > GTA: VC Points: 61/84
LinkMarioSamus | Posted 4/28/2009 6:22:22 AM | message detail
SOMEBODY PLEASE SAVE METROID FRAKING PRIME!!!

Though, in all honesty, this isn't as bad as the losses suffered by DOOM, Final Fantasy Tactics, and Half-Life. I mean, come on, Donkey Kong Country? Pokemon Gold/Silver? Final Fantasy IX? At least Kingdom Hearts and GTA have a lot of respect from me.

BUT NO, SOMEBODY GET METROID PRIME OUT OF THIS ROUND, PLEASE!!! IT'S LIKE, THE BEST GAME EVER MADE!!!

Actually, it doesn't actually contend for BEST, but it's top 25 in my book. Would smash Kingdom Hearts and GTA if it was my decision, though.
LeonhartFour | Posted 4/28/2009 6:22:43 AM | message detail
Yeah, I have FFX > MGS2 next round, but that's not lookin' so good at this point unless FFX just obliterates KH. Looking at how Sora's done the last couple of years, that seems unlikely.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/28/2009 6:24:49 AM | message detail
Man, at this rate, Prime's going to be too far behind for the ASV to matter. 900 vote lead for Vice City now.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/28/2009 6:28:15 AM | message detail
At least MGS2 has a chance at advancing next round since KH could be overrated and VC and MP are weak.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: KH > GTA: VC Points: 61/84
MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/28/2009 6:29:10 AM | message detail
That depends. You'd think MGS2 would be closer to VC and MP than.. KH.
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BGE2 - Today: KH > MP - Points: 59/84 Vote: PM!
LeonhartFour | Posted 4/28/2009 6:29:27 AM | message detail
There's only so weak that I'm willing to accept VC and Prime being. I couldn't see MGS2 doing this.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/28/2009 6:30:55 AM | message detail
hey, this makes me confident in taken San Andreas to round 3!
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BGE2 - Today: KH > MP - Points: 59/84 Vote: PM!
LeonhartFour | Posted 4/28/2009 6:32:23 AM | message detail
Yeah, looking at it...San Andreas has a good shot at round 3 because it's not like MGS3 and Halo 2 are going to be that much stronger than it, and SA could be stronger than Vice City.
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KingBartz | Posted 4/28/2009 6:45:18 AM | message detail
dammit MP...
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/28/2009 6:49:15 AM | message detail
If VC wins the morning, I see no reason for it to lose the asv. This could turn out to be Crono/Vincent once again!
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Internet_Warbot | Posted 4/28/2009 6:51:25 AM | message detail
MP stalled it a little during the BSV, it'll probably do the same for the ASV. Maybe gain a little. But there's no way MP is going to come back into this.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/28/2009 7:04:50 AM | message detail
Metroid Prime is stalling now, I guess the west coast favours it more than the east.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: KH > GTA: VC Points: 61/84
MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/28/2009 7:11:56 AM | message detail
So, does anybody have a logical, statistical explanation for why Vice City is beating Prime?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/28/2009 7:12:48 AM | message detail

From: MarioSuperstar | #215
So, does anybody have a logical, statistical explanation for why Vice City is beating Prime?


GTA: Vice City (2004g) VS Metroid Prime (2004g)

GTA: Vice City has a strength of 38.40.
Metroid Prime has a strength of 36.74.

GTA: Vice City wins with 52.16% of the vote!
A win of 2,942 with 68,057 total votes cast.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/28/2009 7:14:55 AM | message detail
Besides flawed x-stats that contain StarCraft?
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GrapefruitKing | Posted 4/28/2009 7:15:34 AM | message detail
*wakes up*

oh, wow, Metroid
you suck
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Today's prediction: Darkness 33.85% - Prime 29.00% - Hawaiian Shirt City 21.78% - Pepper Mario 15.37%
Status: poo
The Mana Sword | Posted 4/28/2009 7:15:43 AM | message detail
The best explanation is that Prime was never that strong in the first place, and whatever damage Paper Mario might be doing to it is enough to drop it below VC.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/28/2009 7:16:00 AM | message detail
Because Metroid games aren't popular on Gamefaqs, and people just constantly like to say GTA flops when it actually does have strength on Gamefaqs? People just always overestimate it in the past so they assume its worse then it really is.
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GrapefruitKing | Posted 4/28/2009 7:17:30 AM | message detail
well Prime "only" got 56% against Half-Life in 2k4, and we've seen HL's strength two days ago. So I guess we should've seen this coming.

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Today's prediction: Darkness 33.85% - Prime 29.00% - Hawaiian Shirt City 21.78% - Pepper Mario 15.37%
Status: poo
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/28/2009 7:18:18 AM | message detail

From: GrapefruitKing | #221
well Prime "only" got 56% against Half-Life in 2k4, and we've seen HL's strength two days ago. So I guess we should've seen this coming.


This was my reasoning for having VC in my bracket. To me, MP flopped in 2004, so I couldn't see it being strong at all this time around.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/28/2009 7:20:10 AM | message detail
Yeah but there was no way you'd say HL would flop before bracket time.. right?

What was so bad about MP's performance in 2004 that would make you think it couldn't at least beat Vice City?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/28/2009 7:21:33 AM | message detail

From: MarioSuperstar | #223
Yeah but there was no way you'd say HL would flop before bracket time.. right?

What was so bad about MP's performance in 2004 that would make you think it couldn't at least beat Vice City?


It got 56% on Half Life before the Gordon boost. Back when Gordon was a joke. That made me feel that MP sucked. That, and I thought VC wouldn't drop as much as people were expecting it to, and I didn't fall for the trap that "GTA always sucks".
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/28/2009 7:25:08 AM | message detail
MP losing here is an absolutely pathetic showing.

Vice City? Getting 40% against KH? Really?

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MnMZero | Posted 4/28/2009 7:25:50 AM | message detail
This was my reasoning for having VC in my bracket. To me, MP flopped in 2004, so I couldn't see it being strong at all this time around.

How did Metroid Prime "flop" when it got 45% on the Zelda game of its generation? Was it supposed to beat Wind Waker then, especially seeing how LttP murdered SM?

GTA simply hasn't fallen as much as we thought it has. I mean, this still is the series who's games routinely beat out other top PS2 games for GotY.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/28/2009 7:26:20 AM | message detail
No, Wind Waker is looking prime to fail too.

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charmander6000 | Posted 4/28/2009 7:26:41 AM | message detail
The reasoning I took VC was I knew Starcraft and in turn MP was overrated while VC had a great performance against Melee. It would take an epic drop in strength for it to lose, though what pushed me over the edge was Paper Mario as I expect LFF.

I never thought KH would perform this well though.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/28/2009 7:27:00 AM | message detail
Wind Waker is one of the weakest Zeldas.
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MnMZero | Posted 4/28/2009 7:27:24 AM | message detail
MP losing here is an absolutely pathetic showing.

Vice City? Getting 40% against KH? Really?


Can't tell if this is sarcasm or not...
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 4/28/2009 7:28:10 AM | message detail
Wow there are some small comebacks now. To be honest, I wouldn't care that much about these comebacks for the fact that Metroid Prime loses to GTA, so much as for the fact that Metroid Prime goes out in round 1.

Do you think Metroid Prime would have advanced in Symphony of the Night's shoes? Or the other way around?
charmander6000 | Posted 4/28/2009 7:28:21 AM | message detail
How did Metroid Prime "flop" when it got 45% on the Zelda game of its generation? Was it supposed to beat Wind Waker then, especially seeing how LttP murdered SM?

There was a small group that thought MP would defeat WW though after SM those people went quiet. Also WW flopped to people's expectations.
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GrapefruitKing | Posted 4/28/2009 7:28:40 AM | message detail
what made me think VC would bomb even more, is Vercetti's ridiculous showing in 2k7, in which he was a lot closer to Parappa than to Yuna.
But I suppose GTA characters will never, EVER be strong. (well.. except back when Tommy was tha ****)
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Today's prediction: Darkness 33.85% - Prime 29.00% - Hawaiian Shirt City 21.78% - Pepper Mario 15.37%
Status: poo
LeonhartFour | Posted 4/28/2009 7:30:29 AM | message detail
Vice City? Getting 40% against KH? Really?

I don't know why you were expecting KH to do better since Vice City probably would've beaten it with ease 5 years ago. This is a pretty big turnaround.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/28/2009 7:30:51 AM | message detail
what made me think VC would bomb even more, is Vercetti's ridiculous showing in 2k7, in which he was a lot closer to Parappa than to Yuna.

People seem to forget that the ultimate casual character was in the same poll with Halo 3 coming out in a couple of weeks.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 4/28/2009 7:31:35 AM | message detail
Yeah, there's only so positive a way you can spin this performance for either entrant - KH is making mincemeat out of both of them. And even though I'm one of the people still hanging on the "fanbase splitting matters" train all the way until the end of the line - this is Paper Mario. With the pic advantage, Nintendo not faltering so far this contest, and after 45% on Wind Waker, 48% and falling on GTA: VC is all kinds of wrong no matter how much it's being held down.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/28/2009 7:32:51 AM | message detail
GTA's characters will never be as popular as the game itself. There's no reason to think that. Vercetti dropping means that Vice City probably dropped, too, and it did. Just not as much as we thought it would.

Or we were probably overestimating Prime. We're starting to realize just how overrated StarCraft made Division 128. And before you point to the fact that Kingdom Hearts faced StarCraft, the game has had plenty of reason (and visible evidence of it) to be stronger since 2004.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/28/2009 7:32:58 AM | message detail
I don't know why you were expecting KH to do better since Vice City probably would've beaten it with ease 5 years ago. This is a pretty big turnaround.

That's the point. KH blasting these two out of the water is kind of pathetic for them. It's an amazing performance for KH.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/28/2009 7:34:07 AM | message detail
Removing Paper Mario might push MP over the edge, but it should've never been this close to begin with,

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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/28/2009 7:34:13 AM | message detail
And even though I'm one of the people still hanging on the "fanbase splitting matters" train all the way until the end of the line - this is Paper Mario.

And as I pointed out before, Kingdom Hearts is beating Prime and Paper Mario combined. No Paper Mario might be enough to spin Prime into a small win over Vice City, but KH still rips it a new one.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/28/2009 7:34:53 AM | message detail
I'm just happy to see Metroid Prime lose since the Metroid series in general in incredibly overrated to me, so seeing it lose on a Nintendo bias site is awesome
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MnMZero | Posted 4/28/2009 7:35:01 AM | message detail
There was a small group that thought MP would defeat WW though after SM those people went quiet. Also WW flopped to people's expectations.

I'm talking about in retrospect though. If you want to say anything flopped, then it should be 1st Party Gamecube games as a whole. All of the 1st party flagship games are weak compared to other gens except for SSBM. WW, MP, SMS, PM2, Star Fox Ad/Ar, etc It's not really fair to take it out on MP. It's as popular as it can be for a Metroid game relative to other games on the system.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/28/2009 7:36:19 AM | message detail
That's the point. KH blasting these two out of the water is kind of pathetic for them. It's an amazing performance for KH.

Oh, for some reason, I took that statement to mean that you were surprised that Vice City was getting as much as 40% on KH as if you were expecting it to do worse. My bad.

And seeing Kingdom Hearts > Metroid Prime almost validates the fact that I had that very same pick in the Sweet Sixteen of the original Games Contest! Looks like I was just five years too early!

Seriously though, Kingdom Hearts vs. Wind Waker: Who you got?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/28/2009 7:36:59 AM | message detail
I see absolutely no reason for KH not to manhandle Wind Waker at this point.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/28/2009 7:37:15 AM | message detail

From: LeonhartFour | #243
Seriously though, Kingdom Hearts vs. Wind Waker: Who you got?


Kingdom Hearts, no question. Wind Waker has more reason to drop in the last 5 years then Metroid Prime.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/28/2009 7:39:02 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2995

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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/28/2009 7:40:21 AM | message detail
Let's rank these old Division 128 games in order of strength!

Halo
StarCraft
Kingdom Hearts
Metroid Prime
Final Fantasy X
The Wind Waker
Vice City
Super Smash Bros. Melee
Metal Gear Solid 2

This ordering will probably be a lot different than it would've been a few days ago!
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 4/28/2009 7:40:48 AM | message detail
Kingdom Hearts beats Wind Waker.

AND GOD SOMEBODY SAVE METROID PRIME!!!

*though you know I'm just being silly, and I don't really mind about it losing to Kingdom Hearts or GTA so much as losing in round 1, but we've seen more discusting results this contest, to be honest.*
MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/28/2009 7:41:07 AM | message detail
Yeah, of course GTA wouldn't fall as far as Vercetti, but the series contest is what pushed me to take Metroid Prime.




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Karma Hunter | Posted 4/28/2009 7:41:37 AM | message detail
Better question would be Kingdom Hearts v Twilight Princess!

Yeah I'm putting my money on lightning to strike twice it really is just another Majora's Mask after all wouldn't you say <_<
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