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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 692

MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/27/2009 3:08:57 AM | message detail
Morrowind lookin' good! Still surprised a game like Silent Hill 2.
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PegasusLover123 | Posted 4/27/2009 4:05:23 AM | message detail
Seems a lot of people underestimated Morrowind, including me........
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Internet_Warbot | Posted 4/27/2009 4:14:14 AM | message detail
Tomorrow should be interesting. I don't trust Metroid at all anymore and Kingdom Hearts was never up to much and is well out of vogue now. Vice City certainly had plenty of teeth last time around but if Tommy is anything to go by its not the beast it once was. And Paper Mario is the total outsider which is interesting with it being both a Mario and Rpg game.

One of those rare matches where any order whatsoever is possible. KH > Metroid is the favorite so naturally Metroid will choke. KH > Vice City it is then.

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greatone10 | Posted 4/27/2009 4:17:22 AM | message detail
I don't think the pic factor for SSBM vs. FFX wasn't so much the Nintendo characters as much as it was the Nintendo characters vs. Giant Tidus with a grin that made you want to punch him in the mouth.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/27/2009 4:28:18 AM | message detail
I'm surprised more people aren't worried about Paper Mario.

It's a longshot, but all of its opposition is prime to fail. Metroid Prime only scored 45% on Half-Life on 2k4, which just bombed, then lost to Wind Waker, which lost to Starcraft, which just bombed. Same with Kingdom Hearts, except with Soul Calibur instead of Half-Life. Vice City...well, just look at GTA recently.

At the very least, it doesn't get stomped like some people are thinking.

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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/27/2009 5:30:57 AM | message detail
I'm surprised more people aren't worried about Paper Mario.

It's a longshot, but all of its opposition is prime to fail. Metroid Prime only scored 45% on Half-Life on 2k4, which just bombed, then lost to Wind Waker, which lost to Starcraft, which just bombed. Same with Kingdom Hearts, except with Soul Calibur instead of Half-Life. Vice City...well, just look at GTA recently.

At the very least, it doesn't get stomped like some people are thinking.


Other than the fact that Kingdom Hearts actually has reason to be STRONGER now than it was back then.
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Internet_Warbot | Posted 4/27/2009 5:38:10 AM | message detail
I wouldn't really pay any stock to the contest 5 years ago, least of all that wacky division.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/27/2009 5:48:42 AM | message detail
I'm glad Paper Mario isn't going to get stomped!
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The Mana Sword | Posted 4/27/2009 6:07:42 AM | message detail
Whoa, good show for Morrowind. Hopefully this means good things for Oblivion.
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Internet_Warbot | Posted 4/27/2009 6:09:11 AM | message detail
It being the only non-PS2 game in the poll is bound to help it to some degree.
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MnMZero | Posted 4/27/2009 6:11:25 AM | message detail
Bleh, Silent Hill. This brings back memories of the series contest where people called Silent Hill "obscure". This certainly doesn't help. Silent Hill isn't obscure dammit! GameFAQs just doesn't care about the series at all. :(
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/27/2009 6:13:17 AM | message detail
Why do people think that Kingdom Hearts is suppose to have strength? 2004 Sora happened just months after Kingdom Flop and the boost in 2006 was due to Kingdom Hearts II.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/27/2009 6:17:45 AM | message detail
In other news FFX is 62/38 MGS2 which is much better than what Melee did back in 2004. Time to bring Same Console Factor >_>
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Internet_Warbot | Posted 4/27/2009 6:21:11 AM | message detail
Well I don't reckon KH will be particularly strong but I credit Metroid Prime and Vice City with even less strength.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/27/2009 6:35:37 AM | message detail
I'm kinda regretting not putting Metroid Prime first!
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/27/2009 6:59:31 AM | message detail
I don't know, after watching Super Metroid almost lose to Super Mario Kart, especially when people thought it would have a good match with Super Mario 64. I'm betting on Paper Mario causing MP to fall off the map.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/27/2009 7:15:11 AM | message detail
Actually, let me compile a list of all the disadvantages this entire four-pack has going for it.

Metroid Prime
1. Beat Half-Life by 56%. Half-Life just bombed.
2. Lost to Wind Waker, which lost to Starcraft. Which just bombed.
3. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1528
Lost to Super Metroid despite being the only 3-D Metroid game in the poll. Super Metroid just almost got upended by Mario Kart.
4. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1877
Sequel lost to Halo 2 for GotY, despite no one liking Halo 2.

Kingdom Hearts
1. Nearly lost to Soul Calibur, which just bombed.
2. Lost to Starcraft, which just bombed.
3. Sequel couldn't beat out Final Fantasy XII for PS2 GotY, despite no one liking FFXII.
4. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1134
Very very old poll, but not exactly inspiring.

Vice City
1. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1134
Couldn't even beat Metroid Prime back when GTA didn't suck.
2. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2434
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3358
GTA is dead these days.
3. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2881
And Tommy Vercetti didn't even make it into 2k8.

Paper Mario
1. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1870
Sequel lost to Tales of Symphonia.
2. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=769
Extremely old poll, but come on. Conker's Bad Fur Day?


KH and MP have some reasons to increase, but overall I think this four-pack is a lot weaker than people realize.

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Master Moltar | Posted 4/27/2009 7:20:42 AM | message detail
Prime 2 is definitely the worst in the series, while many believe the original is the best.

I still have faith in it, though I'm starting to think KH is going to put up high numbers for some reasons.

And MGS2 is really letting me down today. Terrible showing from it.
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Match 21 - Bracket: FFX > MGS2 - Vote: MGS2 (58/80)
Smurf Alt | Posted 4/27/2009 7:21:35 AM | message detail
I totally agree. Whatever two get out are going to get kicked around the place.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/27/2009 7:22:15 AM | message detail
I'm just saying. Any of those 4 games could make R2, and I'd still give MGS2 an even shot at advancing, even after today's performance. They're just not going to be that strong.

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masseffect90 | Posted 4/27/2009 7:27:20 AM | message detail
For some reason I have KH>Prime tomorrow, but Prime>FFX in R2. But after today, i doubt prime tops FFX, even with KH LFF.
KamikazePotato | Posted 4/27/2009 7:28:30 AM | message detail
FFX is going to murder the next round no matter what kind of splits it has to deal with.

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Smurf Alt | Posted 4/27/2009 7:29:10 AM | message detail

From: Master Moltar | #068
And MGS2 is really letting me down today. Terrible showing from it.


Proves the theory that Snakes recent boost has been all Nintendo.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/27/2009 7:47:26 AM | message detail
Haha, I just realized Persona 4 could beat Street Fighter IV in their poll.

Persona 4's My Games: 887
Street Fighter IV's My Games: 1079 (PS3+360)
Persona 4 stomps it in user ratings too. That's kind of terrible for SFIV, considering the hype that led up to it.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3397
Amount of people who bought it at release date: 8216
Amount of people who bought it assuming all of Europe got it: 23037
Amount of Votes Persona 4 received in its PS2 GotY Poll: 21612
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3352

Sorry stats topic, but this is what you get when I'm bored at home sick with nothing to do!...

Seriously though, I'm starting to think we should've just kept TWEWY. These polls coupled with SFII's bomb spell bad things for STREET FIGHTA FO.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/27/2009 7:48:54 AM | message detail
You know, someone said that KH won't be as weak as 2004.. which I do agree with, but then again, 2004 was also the year we saw Sora possibly as his strongest pre-KH2. One could argue that Sora could have boosted in 2005, but I'm not sure if Alucard's performance on Kratos' first year inspires much on that part.

If Sora stayed constant though, I would figure KH wouldn't have moved a lot, and the only reason Sora boosted againt was because of KH2 which is probably weaker than KH.

MP > KH looks pretty good even with the presence of Paper Mario. Gears of War also might make things interesting.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/27/2009 7:50:18 AM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #074
Amount of Votes Persona 4 received in its PS2 GotY Poll: 21612


That's pretty interesting, though you have to admit that getting 21k votes in a PS2 poll in 2008 doesn't mean a lot. =p
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 4/27/2009 7:52:48 AM | message detail
Don't forget that this is Metal Gear Solid 2, often seen as the black sheep of its series.

I am honestly disappointed in this website. It doesn't really like mature games it seems. Same is true with multiplayer, unless the game in question has Mario or Link in it.

It's just Final Fantasy and Legend of Zelda, with some Super Mario mixed in. Those are my three favorite franchises, but I would have expected more interest in others.

My top franchises (from an unbiased point of view)
1. The Legend of Zelda
2. Super Mario Bros.
3. Final Fantasy
4. Metal Gear
5. Resident Evil
6. Warcraft
7. Castlevania (this is basically tied with WC)
8. Metroid
9. Civilization
10. Pokemon
KamikazePotato | Posted 4/27/2009 7:53:27 AM | message detail
I don't know, I'd say that 22k votes and 44% against horrible competition is better than Street Fighter IV getting 9220 (which is the actual number, forgot to add one of the options) and 12% against itself.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/27/2009 7:58:53 AM | message detail
Let's see, what other matches can I psychoanalyze...

Oblivion/ToS/GoW? Any chances ToS and GoW had of winning just went out the window. I would have trouble seeing God of War doing what Morrowind is doing here, let alone Oblivion.

Galaxy/CoD4/Diamond. With PC games and shooters faltering, LFF not meaning much, and Pokemon the move...I think CoD4/Diamond will be a good battle for 2nd.

Fallout 3>Halo 3 should be a near-lock, but I wouldn't be surprised if Left 4 Dead snuck in there. L4D grows every day, and Halo 3 has had a massive fanbase backlash.

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The Mana Sword | Posted 4/27/2009 8:02:30 AM | message detail
Let's go left 4 dead. Don't forget, weird **** always happens the last match of Round 1.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 4/27/2009 8:17:08 AM | message detail
Kingdom Hearts will most definetely win the match. After that, it's between Metroid Prime and Vice City. Vice City has the x-stat advantage, but Metroid Prime has the list advantage, and Metroid Prime has already beaten Vice City when it won the Game of the Year award from this site (wait, that means it beat Kingdom Hearts too, look how well that's worked out since).

Ultimately I decided to pick Vice City, because I felt that Paper Mario would steal enough votes from Metroid Prime to cause that. Though if Vercetti is a good approximation for Vice City's strength, it could flop there. Plus Kingdom Hearts could casual SFF Vice City.

Here's my favorites bracket for the final four divisions.
ROUND 1
Pokemon Red/Blue > Zelda: Majora's Mask
Metal Gear Solid > Final Fantasy Tactics
StarCraft > Soul Calibur
Zelda: Ocarina of Time > Half-Life
Final Fantasy X > Metal Gear Solid 2
Metroid Prime > Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
Halo > Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
Zelda: Wind Waker > Super Smash Bros. Melee
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas > Oblivion
Metal Gear Solid 3 > Okami
Resident Evil 4 > Shadow of the Colossus
Half-Life 2 > Zelda: Twilight Princess
Grand Theft Auto IV > Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Super Mario Galaxy > Call of Duty 4
Metal Gear Solid 4 > BioShock
Fallout 3 > Halo 3/Left 4 Dead (can't decide)
ROUND 2
Metal Gear Solid > Pokemon Red/Blue
Zelda: Ocarina of Time > Half-Life
Metroid Prime > Final Fantasy X
Halo > Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
Metal Gear Solid 3 > Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Resident Evil 4 > Half-Life 2
Super Mario Galaxy > Grand Theft Auto IV
Metal Gear Solid 4 > Fallout 3
ROUND 3 (and onwards)
Zelda: Ocarina of Time > Metal Gear Solid
Metroid Prime > Halo
Resident Evil 4 > Half-Life 2
Metal Gear Solid 4 > Super Mario Galaxy
Zelda: Ocarina of Time > Metal Gear Solid
Resident Evil 4 > Half-Life 2
Zelda: Ocarina of Time > Metal Gear Solid
Smurf Alt | Posted 4/27/2009 8:17:15 AM | message detail
Left 4 Dead getting less than 2% = confirmed
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Smurf Alt | Posted 4/27/2009 8:18:26 AM | message detail

From: LinkMarioSamus | #081
Plus Kingdom Hearts could casual SFF Vice City.


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Yeah I don't think the Disney and GTA fanbase overlap that much.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/27/2009 8:19:06 AM | message detail
Vice City is going to bomb. I have a feeling it gets last.

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charmander6000 | Posted 4/27/2009 8:25:24 AM | message detail
Plus Kingdom Hearts could casual SFF Vice City.

I'd sooner believe that Kingdom Hearts SFF Metroid Prime or Paper Mario than I would with Vice City.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/27/2009 8:27:07 AM | message detail
Fallout 3 is essentially TES5. it's kinda like how FF10 doing well would make some assume KH will do well.

It's an entirely different genre and time frame. How does that make it TES5?
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ffmasterjose | Posted 4/27/2009 8:27:27 AM | message detail
Yeah, I'm on the "Vice City is probably going to bomb" bandwagon as well. The only GTA games I think will do well are San Andreas and IV. And I'm really not putting too much stock in them even.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/27/2009 8:31:18 AM | message detail
Vice City was far from a bomb, it easily defeated KotOR and lead against Melee in 2004.

Though that was then and this is now and out of the three it does have the highest chance to flop.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 4/27/2009 8:35:13 AM | message detail
@XsSoulxX: No, Fallout 3 is the same genre; it in fact plays the same way.

I hope Metroid Prime doesn't bomb.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/27/2009 8:36:09 AM | message detail
@XsSoulxX: No, Fallout 3 is the same genre; it in fact plays the same way.

Do you consider Zelda and Half-Life the same genre as well? They play the same way too.
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The Mana Sword | Posted 4/27/2009 8:36:59 AM | message detail
Uh.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/27/2009 8:37:05 AM | message detail
Fallout 3 and Oblivion are very similar styles of games.

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creativename | Posted 4/27/2009 8:40:56 AM | message detail
Fallout 3 and Oblivion definitely have big similarities, that's not up for debate. Correlating their strengths is more speculative but it makes sense to me.

As for this weird faith some people have in Vice City. Are people completely forgetting that the year is 2009 and the game is

VICE CITY

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VICE. CITY.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/27/2009 8:45:49 AM | message detail
I think it's because people have seen the top half of the 128-bit division fail and don't think the same won't happen to the bottom or something. Also FFX is doing quite well today (though people should be comparing Vice City to MGS2's performance IMO)
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/27/2009 8:51:07 AM | message detail
Fallout 3 and Oblivion are very similar styles of games.

They are similar, but they are not connected at the hip. Just because one does good, does not mean the other will.

Of course, I'm not saying that Fallout 3 will perform bad, I'm just saying that if it does, it will be because of it's own strength, not because of TES doing good.
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HaRRicH | Posted 4/27/2009 8:57:58 AM | message detail
The only correlation I'm going to make for sure is that I certainly expect Oblivion > Morrowind and don't see why FO3 wouldn't beat Oblivion. I've never played FO3 though, so I can't say much about their similarities...but strength-wise, that's what I'm expecting. Morrowind's putting on a good show for Oblivion and FO3 to improve upon.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/27/2009 8:59:29 AM | message detail
Consider me on the "VIce City is going to bomb" train as well.

Seriously though, I'm starting to think we should've just kept TWEWY. These polls coupled with SFII's bomb spell bad things for STREET FIGHTA FO.

Hmm...I'd laugh my ass off if GTA4 lost to Persona 4.
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hochiminhX | Posted 4/27/2009 9:08:52 AM | message detail
I too am on the "Vice City is going to bomb" train. I guess that makes me the conductor of this particular train.

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GrapefruitKing | Posted 4/27/2009 9:11:20 AM | message detail
Vercetti looking absolutely pathetic in 2k7 makes this even more plausible. He was closer ot Parappa than to Yuna, for christ's sakes
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