GameFAQs Contests

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~*creativename's contest site (all things contest!)*~
www.gamefaqscontests.com

~*The Board 8 Wiki (lots of useful contest and board information, including all past Post-Contest Analysis from Ulti, transience, Ed Bellis and others)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/

~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~
http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/
http://thengamer.com/xstats
http://thengamer.com/stats

~*Character Contest Histories (Thanks to Raven 2 for the info transfer)*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Contest_Histories

~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

~*All the match pics*~
http://sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php

~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages

~*Say What? Some Common Stat Topic Lingo Defined*~

SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote, because the Zelda fanbase so clearly sided with him. However, take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make total sense. This has caused a few SFF jokes, with LordOfDabu's "Some Frivolous Factor" being the funniest of them.

X-Stats - Short form of Extrapolated Statistics, aka the mathematical "strength" of a contestant that can be determined based on their performance in any given matchup. See above for a detailed explanation of the x-stat process.

rSFF (Reverse Same Fanbase Factor): An unproven theory that states that an SFF match will feature the expected weaker character receiving more benefit from SFF than the stronger character. For example, all evidence supports Samus being indirectly stronger than Mario, yet Mario blew Samus away during their 2005 match. That's rSFF in action, and the one case we have of the weaker statistical character winning with it.

For other information, surf the contest sites a bit. They have everything.
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I need scissors! 61!!
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Raiden, do you actually enjoy abusing helpless animals?
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I need scissors! 61!!
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"Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia

Order Matters???

That too.

90+% for OoT isn't too unreasonable.

At least over 90% of all users picked OoT to advance here, which is pretty good. Even though only about 63% had it in first.
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3465&region=PH

^ Damn.
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THROUGH THIS ARM!
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62/80 points - The Best. Game. Ever 2009 Contest
NP: Final Fantasy X > Metal Gear Solid 2 | http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=4

Morrowind holding steady. This might be stretching it a bit, but do you guys think it's being aided by being the sole Xbox option? I know it's known as a PC game first, but it was also the second big Xbox after Halo (enjoyed some pretty nice sales). I ask, of course, because KotOR is possibly the only non-Halo Xbox game that fans truly love, so I'm hoping it weakens ol' Chief.
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I, like clockwork, have been humiliated by hochiminh
Hochiminh is better than me. I was a numbskull for thinking I could defy Him.

The Elder Scrolls had a pretty good day vote against Street Fighter, so I'd wager it gets a fair amount of fans from being an XBox game. I guess we'll see what it can do in the day today - everything else here should have pretty crappy day votes.
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Votal watch!

Mario World > Final Fantasy 135889
Zelda: Ocarina of Time > Final Fantasy 9 134087
Final Fantasy 7 > Mario Kart 64 127331
Metal Gear Solid > Pokemon G/S 125186
Goldeneye > Mario RPG 123427
Pokemon R/B/Y > Zelda: Majora's Mask 120730
Final Fantasy 8 > Starcraft 120519
Mario 64 > Castlevania: Symphony 119316
Chrono Trigger > Yoshi's Island 118876
Zelda: Link to the Past > Donkey Kong Country 118447
Zelda > Metroid 118028
Mario 3 > Monkey Island 117883
Mega Man 2 > Pac-Man 117749
Super Metroid > Super Mario Kart 116986
Mario 1 > Ninja Gaiden 114859
Tetris > Donkey Kong 114610
Final Fantasy 3 > Zelda: Link's Awakening 113160
Sonic 1 > Street Fighter 2 111209
Final Fantasy 2 > Mega Man 3 110342
Sonic 2 > Mortal Kombat 2 107767

Unlike SMW's pack I think OoT pack is legitimately that strong.
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I, like clockwork, have been humiliated by hochiminh
Hochiminh is better than me. I was a numbskull for thinking I could defy Him.

so how do we feel about MGS2 potentially finishing closer to Morrowind than FF10?
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yzzyx

Today's match is too obvious.

I'm very intrigued by tomorrow's, though.

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Tomorrow's match is interesting in that all 4 games are pretty close in natural strength. I can see every game except Paper Mario placing either first or second.
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I, like clockwork, have been humiliated by hochiminh
Hochiminh is better than me. I was a numbskull for thinking I could defy Him.

people weren't expecting morrowind to do well after how well fallout 3 did?
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MIA today...
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people weren't expecting morrowind to do well after how well fallout 3 did?

What does Morrowind and Fallout 3 have in common again that would make you think they are connected?
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FFX tearin' it up right now.

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First match in forever that's gone about as I expected. Thought MGS2 would do a little better in comparison to FFX, but it's not far off. Easily explainable by a little SH2 overlap and FFX/SSBM pic factor.
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FastFalcon and Solid Snake snapped my neck in the guru contest.

Fallout 3 is essentially TES5. it's kinda like how FF10 doing well would make some assume KH will do well.
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xyzzy
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also, FF10 is the original night vote, so I expect something huge overnight, maybe bigger than FF8.
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xyzzy
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Hmm... not a very impressive performance from MGS2 thus far, especially as a representative from a series that's supposed to have grown over the last five years. Assuming Prime goes through tomorrow, it and FFX should be pretty safe for the division finals.
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I, like clockwork, have been humiliated by hochiminh
Hochiminh is better than me. I was a numbskull for thinking I could defy Him.

All the matches in this era were all strangely close in 2004. Don't know what the hell happened but not happening this year.

Although maybe we'll see that trend in the 2007-2009 games.
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All hail FFX BGE 2009 Champ!!!
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So only you obese, bible-thumping Americans actually like Zelda.

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I may be fine and divine, but sometimes even contest know-nothings like Jose make better predictions than I...though not often

Yeah, I was never too worried about FFX not placing in round 2. Need to see how KH and Prime to tomorrow -- I wonder if KH couldn't manage to be 'separate' enough like Sora to possibly slip by in round 2, if it beat MP good enough.

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Mother ****!!! I just noticed I accidentally put MGS2 and FFX in the wrong order. ****! There goes the streak. I had 11 correct matches in a row before this...bah.
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Nice to see Morrowind doing well, I'm actually playing that game right now. Though I voted for FFX, one of my all-time most beloved games.

I had thought people were underestimating Morrowind, but lacked great conviction on it and only predicted 12% for it. I was pretty sure SH2 was going to be worthless though.

so how do we feel about MGS2 potentially finishing closer to Morrowind than FF10?

Great!

I'm also back to leaning a bit towards RE4>MGS4 in the quarters, but I've switched my mind multiple times on that and probably will again a couple times more.


FFX/SSBM pic factor.

Oh god, I had forgotten about one of the most lopsided pics we'd ever seen up to that point.


Assuming Prime goes through tomorrow, it and FFX should be pretty safe for the division finals.

Well people have been talking about Prime flopping, and I don't have that much faith in Prime myself (can't see it dropping the ball to Vice City of all games like some have mentioned though, that game has been completely irrelevant for a while and should be weaksauce). So I could potentially see an SFFed Kingdom Hearts still beating out Prime if Prime does flop. We have seen that Squall/Sora SFF isn't all that extreme; with the games it should be worse (both big PS2 games), but Kingdom Hearts could still do well for itself and capitalize if Prime shows weakness. I'd certainly lean towards Prime but it's not in the clear. If it was Kingdom Hearts 2 then the threat would be even greater - I see KH as more likely to fold than KH2.


All the matches in this era were all strangely close in 2004. Don't know what the hell happened but not happening this year.

Although maybe we'll see that trend in the 2007-2009 games.

Yes exactly. It's about recency. As games get older their strengths get skewed, and also older generations have some built-in intra-generation SFF that newer generations don't have yet (the older the generation, the more the SFF).


Yeah, I was never too worried about FFX not placing in round 2.

What madman would've been worried about this??
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That makes FFX look pretty great, even if you assume that MGS2 didn't benefit any since the last contest.

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I think most of us were figuring FFX>SSBM these days anyway. And hey back in the day I thought the pic might've cost it the match (was a damn close match...and that pic was ridiculous! I mean how could any Nintendo fan not vote for Smash there jeez), so the whole SSBM>FFX might've been a sham to begin with :)
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I know, it's just fun to look at.

SSBM pic factor is so overrated though, I mean this is the exact same picture and SSBM gets that kind of picture for every match so if anything that's part of its intrinsic strength.
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SSBM puzzles me. Its performances against FFX and FFVII look a lot better than its other matches in 2004: 56% against MGS2, 54% against Vice City, 51% against Starcraft. Then it goes and pulls 37% on the entire Super Mario Bros. series in 2006, and seems to be at the very heart of the Nintendo Boost (and Deboost). I think it was probably a top 5 game for 3 years, but has fallen back to earth now.
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That series pull off was at the height of Brawl's announcement.
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BGE2 - Today: FFX > MGS2 - Points: 55/80 Vote: MGS2

Yes exactly. It's about recency. As games get older their strengths get skewed, and also older generations have some built-in intra-generation SFF that newer generations don't have yet (the older the generation, the more the SFF).

Yes, it seems that while the NES/SNES era still has 3 of our top 5, the average strength of games even on the SNES is far below say, the PS2. And, barring some major surprises, we do not have any top 10 games released after 2001.
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I don't see how it could be overrated when it's usually overlooked and rarely mentioned. My guess is the pic factor there is underrated.

Today's FFX isn't quite the same pic - this is the cover image, that was the most effeminate Tidus you could get. Also was probably the best pic SSBM has ever gotten. It was a pretty comedic image - the whole cast badassly staring down girly man Tidus :) Anyway who the hell knows if that won it the match, doesn't matter anyway, they were basically of equal strength back then more or less.

Today I'd give it to FFX with some breathing room, although it's not for sure.
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I never really bought match pictures mattering much for favorite games; at least substantially. I personally feel like there's no other way to portray Smash Bros. It really *is* a bunch of Nintendo characters.
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BGE2 - Today: FFX > MGS2 - Points: 55/80 Vote: MGS2

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=988
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Granted, hype played a big factor, but SSB showed that its games could still impress big-time with terrible pictures against "friggin' MARIO" -- seriously, it's hard to pick much worse of a quartet to represent it against SMB and still amazed us.

Use this in the FFX/SSBM discussion as applicable.
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Shorthand, do you speak it?!

I personally feel like there's no other way to portray Smash Bros. It really *is* a bunch of Nintendo characters.

yeah, this. never saw the big deal with a bunch of Nintendo characters being portrayed as a bunch of Nintendo characters.
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xyzzy
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I think the problem with the pic was more on FFX's side rather than Melee's. There's not much you can do to make Smash Bros. something other than a bunch of Nintendo characters, but FFX can do better than a pic of Tidus. Auron up there might have been able to swing a few more votes, which might've been enough to switch the result.

Not a big deal, though. Even if FFX won, it wouldn't have been by much even with a different pic. It would have ended up a lot worse if it had, anyway, since FFVII was there next round.

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next round woulda been Starcraft. besides, we've never really seen anything that suggests that's really a bogus match. you'd have to assume FFX beats Starcraft pretty good to feel any differently.

I guess that's possible, but 2004 FFX let FFTA get 33% on it and couldn't truple Shenmue. it really wasn't that impressive in 2004.
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Oh, yeah, StarCraft. Forgot about that.

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I'm definitely gonna have to see Melee in action before I have any confidence in calling X the stronger game now. People have been bringing up X>Melee only for about six months; for the two or three years before that, everyone thought Melee would have an easier time in a rematch. Of course, the crappy thing here is we might not (and, thanks to more SFarghF, probably will not) got a decent read on Melee for the entire contest. It's got Zelda for two (maybe even three) rounds, and then it'll likely have Metroid Prime as a hindrance when it finally reaches FFX. Once it makes it through all that, it gets Ocarina-stomped.
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I, like clockwork, have been humiliated by hochiminh
Hochiminh is better than me. I was a numbskull for thinking I could defy Him.

Eww Morrowind

Daggerfall is superior.

MGS4 may end up having the best performance in the MGS series. Kind of weird to think about it, a PS3 game and all
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Yeah, Oblivion is definitely taking second in its match.

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From: PartOfYourWorld | Posted: 4/27/2009 3:16:11 AM | #042
I'm definitely gonna have to see Melee in action before I have any confidence in calling X the stronger game now. People have been bringing up X>Melee only for about six months; for the two or three years before that, everyone thought Melee would have an easier time in a rematch. Of course, the crappy thing here is we might not (and, thanks to more SFarghF, probably will not) got a decent read on Melee for the entire contest. It's got Zelda for two (maybe even three) rounds, and then it'll likely have Metroid Prime as a hindrance when it finally reaches FFX. Once it makes it through all that, it gets Ocarina-stomped.

So glad I sucked it up and picked X > Melee in that match.
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Well, in my bracket, I assumed that whatever game takes 2nd in tomorrow's match would be guaranteed for the divisional finals. That could be a mistake.

I hope Metroid Prime defeats Vice City (actually a Metroid Prime victory would fit best for me), but I just decided to go with last contest's x-stats. Gotta watch Resobaso play Kingdom Hearts now I guess.

Talking about a few matches ago, where's the proof that GoldenEye has gotten weaker. According to the (lol) x-stats, GoldenEye should have lost to Mario RPG in that match, but it won.

GOD METROID PRIME SHOULD NOT DIE TOMORROW, THOUGH AT LEAST I WOULD'VE SEEN IT COMING UNLIKE WITH DOOM/FINAL FANTASY TACTICS/STARCRAFT/HALF-LIFE.

The 2004 stats are a complete waste, but anyone can see Goldeneye's match with Ocarina of Time wasn't a result to take seriously.
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Paper Mario > Metroid Prime imho

or at least will LFF it enough to allow GTA to get second assuming GTA doesn't bomb >_>
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Yeah you're right; Metal Gear Solid, GoldenEye, and Xenogears weren't adjusted for SFF methinks.

One of the things I most wanted in this contest was for the Metroid games not to get gummed against other Nintendo stuff, and IT STILL HAPPENED! GRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!