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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 691

charmander6000 | Posted 4/26/2009 4:43:53 PM | message detail
If you think that you alone rallied 6-8k votes for Hogger you must be kidding yourself.

Also on a related note how's the hype of WoW forums? Are people talking about this match?
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Mumei | Posted 4/26/2009 4:44:07 PM | message detail
Check "My Games" For both Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3. Even if you count all 3 versions of Starcraft 2, it comes no where near Diablo 3 in terms of "Plan to get"

This is a bit of a break from talking about the contest, but whatever...

I didn't mean on GameFAQs, I meant more generally on fansites for either, on Blizzard's forums, etc.; basically how active they are. I don't really see much of a difference. The crazy fans (e.g. me) post, or at least lurk, and the people who are skeptical or don't much care (e.g. you, or possibly 'kash) aren't interested in the speculation game and are content to wait until you have a demo / beta.

And it has been two years since the announcement of SCII, with only about, oh, a little over an hour of footage (two 20 minute "battle reports," a 20 minute unveiling video for Protoss, 10 minute unveiling video for Terran, a short 2 - 3 minute video unveiling the Zerg, and that's essentially it. Most of the new information is not posted on the main website, for whatever reason, but on Battle.net, under the forums. There's not much reason for there to be a lot of hype right now.

Also, 'kash - C&C? I've never heard that complaint. Trilogy complaints, yes, but nothing about it looking / playing like C&C.

As for the discussion about whether Diablo II is stronger or not - well, there's certainly a good argument for it on GameFAQs. Diablo II is probably around the same sales numbers (~18.5 million for the Diablo series; about 11 million for StarCraft / StarCraft: Brood War), and one would think that a PC Action-RPG would be more up the alley of this site than a PC RTS), so ... we'll see.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/26/2009 4:44:32 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #301
If you think that you alone rallied 6-8k votes for Hogger you must be kidding yourself.

Also on a related note how's the hype of WoW forums? Are people talking about this match?


I didn't rally 6-8k votes. Maybe 1k at max. But its not like I'm the only one who was rallying.
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Master Moltar | Posted 4/26/2009 4:44:46 PM | message detail
not this **** again
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/26/2009 4:47:51 PM | message detail
Plus if you don't believe Hogger was heavily rallied, just look at the graph for that match. He was all over the place; obvious signs of rallies.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/26/2009 4:49:02 PM | message detail
I'm still skeptical on 1k, but it's a full day's rally and I don't want to argue on something we have no information on. btw can you answer the second line?

Also on a related note how's the hype of WoW forums? Are people talking about this match?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/26/2009 4:50:05 PM | message detail
Also on a related note how's the hype of WoW forums? Are people talking about this match?

I wouldn't know, I've quit WoW and haven't checked the forums for months.
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nintendogirl1 | Posted 4/26/2009 4:51:15 PM | message detail

From: MyWorldIsCrono
And the difference with Guybrush is that he won on his own legit strength. Hogger only won due to rallying. Unless you think that the Monkey Island sites were able to rally up 6-8k votes somehow for him.


Actually I personally rallied every single Euro vote for SoMI. I can prove it. When did he start doing well? When I woke up. When did he stop doing well? When I went to work. I rest my case.
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ZFS | Posted 4/26/2009 4:51:23 PM | message detail
Time for WoW to lose so we can be done with this

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nintendogirl1 | Posted 4/26/2009 4:51:55 PM | message detail
*it, not he.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/26/2009 4:52:13 PM | message detail

From: nintendogirl1 | #308
Actually I personally rallied every single Euro vote for SoMI. I can prove it. When did he start doing well? When I woke up. When did he stop doing well? When I went to work. I rest my case.


Funny this is I actually tried to rally for Monkey Island and searched for the biggest Monkey Island fan site there was to post a link on the forum... and the forum hadn't had a post in 5 days.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 4/26/2009 4:53:15 PM | message detail
The difference between Guybrush and Hogger is that Guybrush is friends with Cutthroat Bill. Hogger ain't got **** on that.
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transience | Posted 4/26/2009 4:53:37 PM | message detail
man I thought we were done with this now that we had good matches to talk about argh

how about FFX and MGS2- oh this is gonna be a bad match too? well carry on
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ZFS | Posted 4/26/2009 4:53:57 PM | message detail
Kleenex knows what's up

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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/26/2009 4:54:55 PM | message detail
Man, I wished FFIX and FFVIII had been switched in the brackets. Seeing FFIX beating Starcraft after dealing with what would've been some Starcraft>Soul Calibur upset talk would've been glorious.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/26/2009 4:56:38 PM | message detail
WoW gonna get 40% first round, bank it
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HaRRicH | Posted 4/26/2009 4:57:48 PM | message detail
[BT] Which comes back to my point I've made countless times that games released near the end of the year, closer to the polls will always do much better relative to what they should.
[Dranze] Which doesn't say much for KH2 if it lost to a game that got 30% on Zelda in its best time.


On top of that, FF12 didn't beat Gears by that much. Then there's also this poll:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2384


Basically, Hogger is a generic enemy from WoW (think Zolomy from FF7 and then how he did).

Hogger didn't have to answer to Cloud.


Honestly, Hogger woulda gotten single digits there without rallying.

The idea of Hogger rallying 9,000+ votes -- 40.5% of its total strength shown -- not just 6,000-8,000 like you said, is foolish. How big do you think the rally effort for Hogger in R2 was, by the way?
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ZFS | Posted 4/26/2009 4:59:54 PM | message detail
I'll say this, if there's one game that isn't going to get close to replicating what it did during a GotY poll, Twilight Princess is it.

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charmander6000 | Posted 4/26/2009 5:00:01 PM | message detail
WoW gonna get 40% first round, bank it

Against Halo 2

>_>

GTA3 > Halo > Diablo II

<_<
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/26/2009 5:00:07 PM | message detail
How big do you think the rally effort for Hogger in R2 was, by the way?

A couple thousand at least. at least what Battletoads did
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swirIdude | Posted 4/26/2009 5:01:11 PM | message detail
VALVEFEAR: Status Update: 0 for 1

Half-Life loses to Final Fantasy IX
Half-Life 2 vs Final Fantasy XIII
Portal vs BioShock

The Gurus picked all 3 Valve games, while I picked all of the opposition. This first result looks bad for HL2, also playing a late-gen FF. Portal vs BioShock can still go either way.

So, how about that ValveFear?
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 4/26/2009 5:02:15 PM | message detail
You forgot about L4D > Halo 3! (yes I have this in my bracket, no I don't know why)
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/26/2009 5:03:10 PM | message detail
L4D beating Halo 3 would be epic.
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swirIdude | Posted 4/26/2009 5:03:16 PM | message detail

From: KleenexTissue50 | Posted: 4/26/2009 8:02:15 PM | #322
You forgot about L4D > Halo 3! (yes I have this in my bracket, no I don't know why)


That's true, I did, however L4D wasn't a guru favorite, that match goes Fallout 3 > Halo 3 in the Guru brackets.
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ZFS | Posted 4/26/2009 5:03:24 PM | message detail
whoops

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 4/26/2009 5:04:07 PM | message detail
And by L4D > Halo 3 I mean Fallout 3 > L4D > Halo 3 > whatever the other game is obviously.
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HaRRicH | Posted 4/26/2009 5:06:28 PM | message detail
I ask you Albion because Hogger did 2.68% better against Dante in R2 than he did in R1 despite rallying so strong in R1 that Hogger deserved single digits. Battletoads did 2,500 rallied votes, which you said Hogger "at least" matched in R2...but that still makes it fall quite short of what it did in R1. Why did Hogger do so much better in R2 than R1 despite huge rallying?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/26/2009 5:07:23 PM | message detail

From: HaRRicH | #327
I ask you Albion because Hogger did 2.68% better against Dante in R2 than he did in R1 despite rallying so strong in R1 that Hogger deserved single digits. Battletoads did 2,500 rallied votes, which you said Hogger "at least" matched in R2...but that still makes it fall quite short of what it did in R1. Why did Hogger do so much better in R2 than R1 despite huge rallying?


-shrug- Maybe the joke votes were more prevelant then I thought in his strength, since he was able to hold on pretty well.
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HaRRicH | Posted 4/26/2009 5:07:47 PM | message detail
As for ValveFear: I think the rest of the reps will lose this round, though I only had Portal > BioShock.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/26/2009 5:08:27 PM | message detail
Plus, he did better on Dante because Leon was taking some of Dantes votes obviously. Without Dante there, I'm sure he would of done about the same or worse.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/26/2009 5:10:51 PM | message detail
I ask you Albion because Hogger did 2.68% better against Dante in R2 than he did in R1 despite rallying so strong in R1 that Hogger deserved single digits. Battletoads did 2,500 rallied votes, which you said Hogger "at least" matched in R2...but that still makes it fall quite short of what it did in R1. Why did Hogger do so much better in R2 than R1 despite huge rallying?

If you want to make the percents equal you have to remove 2400 votes from Hogger. Also while previous Dante fans had more to choose from Hogger ralliers only had Hogger to choose from thus inflating his percent in the second round.
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redrocket | Posted 4/26/2009 5:11:02 PM | message detail
Why did you quit WoW anyway?

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/26/2009 5:12:33 PM | message detail

From: redrocket | #332
Why did you quit WoW anyway?


At max level, I got sick of how it was nothing but running the same instances over and over and over again to get gear. I'll probably return at next xpac though.
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HaRRicH | Posted 4/26/2009 5:13:02 PM | message detail
Charmander's explanation makes more sense, but that first requires my trust Hogger rallied that many votes in the first place, and I don't buy it. WoW's just going to need to prove it once and for all.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/26/2009 5:15:28 PM | message detail
I believe that WoW can be more effective rally wise then Hogger for 2 big reasons;

-Hogger only appeals to Alliance players. Alot of Horde players don't even know who Hogger is since he's an Alliance only joke.
-Fans are more likely to rally around the game itself then a generic joke character.
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HaRRicH | Posted 4/26/2009 5:17:05 PM | message detail
Then WoW's gotta prove it can easily outdo your 9,000+ projection for Hogger before I reconsider that.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/26/2009 5:18:10 PM | message detail
Still with only a week before the match and no hype its going to be in a losing battle if MGS3 and Halo 2 take off. One person can only do so much...
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/26/2009 5:19:15 PM | message detail
I just have enough faith in the rallying power if that say, MGS3 is up by 4000 votes going into the asv...

Then WoW might still win it.
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Yesmar | Posted 4/26/2009 5:21:52 PM | message detail
Albion is a cheater too I should add.

Just saying.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 4/26/2009 5:22:52 PM | message detail
Let us please talk about something besides how WoW is going to fail - how's about Ocarina/FFVII?

50.00% Final Fantasy VII
29.98% Mario Kart 64
20.86% Star Fox 64

50.00% Ocarina of Time
28.65% Final Fantasy IX
21.59% Half-Life

I'm thinking FFIX > MK64, so Ocarina looks good enough to beat FFVII one on one to me. It's not doing well enough for me to take Ocarina with LttP in the poll, but this is a pretty impressive performance. I really hope we get a 1v1 match after the "real" final.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/26/2009 5:23:43 PM | message detail
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creativename | Posted 4/26/2009 5:26:49 PM | message detail
I'm getting to the point where I'm thinking of putting anyone who even responds to Albion about WoW on ignore. For the love of all that is good and holy stop this.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 4/26/2009 5:29:06 PM | message detail
creative's got the right idea here!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/26/2009 5:35:21 PM | message detail
If you hate the talk about it, then by all means, bring up a topic that people are more interested in debating.
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swirIdude | Posted 4/26/2009 5:38:18 PM | message detail
Creative really is a genius.
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transience | Posted 4/26/2009 5:38:37 PM | message detail
creative <3
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HaRRicH | Posted 4/26/2009 5:47:59 PM | message detail
Good point -- I never enjoy talking about it anyway.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/26/2009 5:51:23 PM | message detail
creative's got the right idea! And it'd be easier to start up a new topic if people would stop responding to nonsense!

Man, I wished FFIX and FFVIII had been switched in the brackets. Seeing FFIX beating Starcraft after dealing with what would've been some Starcraft>Soul Calibur upset talk would've been glorious.

Then you'd know how I felt yesterday! Like I said, that was the happiest I've been about a poll result in a long time.

As far as what OoT is doing today, I said in my write-up that it's difficult to peg what it was going to do today, and it could even outdo FFVII here today and I wouldn't change my stance on FFVII > OoT. Obviously, when you're dealing with the top two games on the site facing midtier games, large blowouts are going to happen.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/26/2009 5:52:18 PM | message detail
Or better yet, everyone put Albion on ignore.

The non-stupid stuff he says isn't worth reading this.

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transience | Posted 4/26/2009 5:54:42 PM | message detail
I still feel that OOT is better for blowouts than FF7. I'll judge OOT and FF7 by (presumably) FF7/Goldeneye/Mario 64/CT vs. OOT/RBY/MGS/FF8.
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