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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 691

MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/26/2009 2:15:29 PM | message detail

From: Mumei | #249
Plus theres tons of Diablo 3 hype. Theres like no Starcraft 2 hype. That alone should tell you Starcraft isn't what it used to be.

Er... what?

I wouldn't say that there's a lot of SCII hype right now, but I don't see a lot for Diablo III, either - and I don't really expect to see much until the betas start.


Check "My Games" For both Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3. Even if you count all 3 versions of Starcraft 2, it comes no where near Diablo 3 in terms of "Plan to get"
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 4/26/2009 2:16:25 PM | message detail
Theres like no Starcraft 2 hype. That alone should tell you Starcraft isn't what it used to be.

People arent too thrilled that its looking like Command & Conquer.
also Metzen is being a douche and not brining back the old Voice Actors(some who wanted to come bac)
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/26/2009 2:17:31 PM | message detail

From: Shoenin_Kakashi | #252
Theres like no Starcraft 2 hype. That alone should tell you Starcraft isn't what it used to be.

People arent too thrilled that its looking like Command & Conquer.
also Metzen is being a douche and not brining back the old Voice Actors(some who wanted to come bac)


Don't forget the 3 games BS.
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voltch | Posted 4/26/2009 2:22:08 PM | message detail
i think KHII will be fine,square's doing well recently,if mickey's in the match pic that'll clinch the deal,though i think KHII>KH for some reason,maybe cos there's more screentime of loads and loads of popular characters and it's easy enough for younger audiences to get into.

heck i know quite a few people who never even heard of FF but were introduced to them because of the KH series.
well in the uk at any rate.
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Tohoya | Posted 4/26/2009 2:36:46 PM | message detail
FACT or FICTION: Starcraft is the strongest Blizzard game in the bracket.

FICTION. World of Warcraft has all of its rallying advantages while being more recent and more widely played, especially, I imagine, among the userbase of gamefaqs. I'm still banking on WoW being a monster.
Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 4/26/2009 2:44:28 PM | message detail
The 3 game thing I figure is for the Campaigns.

but its still pretty stupid.




Blizzard is just making really dumb decisions nowadays. No wonder Roper left.
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/26/2009 2:44:58 PM | message detail

From: Shoenin_Kakashi | #256
The 3 game thing I figure is for the Campaigns.

but its still pretty stupid.




Blizzard is just making really dumb decisions nowadays. No wonder Roper left.


Its Activisions influence, I think. They're more about the money then the games.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/26/2009 2:45:20 PM | message detail
Remember that FFXII owned KHII in the PS2 2006 GOTY poll.


Which comes back to my point I've made countless times that games released near the end of the year, closer to the polls will always do much better relative to what they should.

Brawl would have dominated that poll if it released in November.
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eaglesarebeasts | Posted 4/26/2009 2:46:36 PM | message detail
FACT or FICTION: Starcraft is the strongest Blizzard game in the bracket.

Fact. Maybe WoW could compete, but people who say that Diablo II is stronger are way overestimating it.

FACT or FICTION: Pokemon R/B/Y, MGS, and FF8 are each legitimate top-ten games.

Fiction. FF8 and MGS are not in the top 10 but both are probably in the top 15. R/B/Y however is probably right at the 10th spot.

FACT or FICTION: FF12 > HL2.

Fiction: Considering that FF12 is going to be ALOT weaker than FF8, and the fact that HL2 is going to be stronger than HL. Seriously, FF12 is not going to be nearly as strong as FF8.

FACT or FICTION: SSBM > LoZ:WW will be closer than R/B/Y > LoZ:MM

Fact. But I don't really care.
SonicRaptor | Posted 4/26/2009 2:49:40 PM | message detail
Plus theres tons of Diablo 3 hype. Theres like no Starcraft 2 hype. That alone should tell you Starcraft isn't what it used to be.

A lot of it is due to "they are changing it!" by the SC1 fans (if this is true or not is subjective right now). For a game with such a strict attention to game balance, it's a valid concern, but until Blizzard shows something to quell their fears there won't be much hype.

I wouldn't say there is "tons" to Diablo 3 hype right now either, when it was announced last year there was a LOT, but since then it's been pretty quiet.

Of course, I could be wrong and the reason we don't hear much about either is because Blizzard is keeping a tight lid until "it's done" and the fans understand that.
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/26/2009 2:50:43 PM | message detail
I'm surprised how much OOT has gone up with the day vote....53% makes this an impressive performance and a sign that OOT intends to give FFVII a fight. I wish we have end the contest with a 1v1.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/26/2009 2:52:12 PM | message detail
Fact. Maybe WoW could compete, but people who say that Diablo II is stronger are way overestimating it.

Well, Diablo 2 did beat Starcraft in that Gamespy Game Battle a couple years back. Not sure how credible that is, but its not out of the question Diablo 2 is stronger.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/26/2009 2:54:53 PM | message detail

From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #258
Which comes back to my point I've made countless times that games released near the end of the year, closer to the polls will always do much better relative to what they should.


Which doesn't say much for KH2 if it lost to a game that got 30% on Zelda in its best time.
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voltch | Posted 4/26/2009 2:56:01 PM | message detail
ya know all those people saying wow has 10million subscribers,hasn't Tetris sold more?
and i dunno GTAIV sold really well but i can't see it excelling.

why do people focus so much on that whole 10million subscribers thing?
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 4/26/2009 2:56:28 PM | message detail
Diablo 2 is probably just as popular if not more than Starcraft among a more general population.

Among GameFAQs though, I doubt it
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/26/2009 2:57:36 PM | message detail

From: voltch | #264
ya know all those people saying wow has 10million subscribers,hasn't Tetris sold more?
and i dunno GTAIV sold really well but i can't see it excelling.

why do people focus so much on that whole 10million subscribers thing?


11.5 million.

And thats because its active players. Do you think there are 11.5 million people who play Tetris on a daily basis? With these contests, recency plays a big part... and for a game people play on a daily basis, it'll be on the forefront of their mind when it comes to votin.
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eaglesarebeasts | Posted 4/26/2009 2:59:26 PM | message detail
Diablo 2 is probably just as popular if not more than Starcraft among a more general population.

I doubt that. I've seen people playing Starcraft on computers and I actually know a decent number of people who play Starcraft. Thats not really the case for D2.
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/26/2009 3:00:47 PM | message detail
I just checked My Games for Both Games...

Starcraft - 510 Currently Playing
Diablo 2 - 506 Currently Playing

Damn close.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/26/2009 3:02:47 PM | message detail
Oops, thats owned I mean. Not currently playing
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voltch | Posted 4/26/2009 3:25:34 PM | message detail
diablo 2 is bound to be stronger round here though
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/26/2009 3:26:26 PM | message detail
Yep, I'd expect an RPG (even if its PC) to be more popular on gamefaqs then a RTS.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/26/2009 3:26:51 PM | message detail
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creativename | Posted 4/26/2009 3:31:55 PM | message detail
I've thought since 2K4 that Diablo II>Starcraft. I think Diablo II would've beaten Halo with room to spare back then, although we'll never know for sure.

Among GameFAQs though, I doubt it

Why so? Diablo II seems more like a GameFAQs-ish type game to me.


I doubt that. I've seen people playing Starcraft on computers and I actually know a decent number of people who play Starcraft. Thats not really the case for D2.

There's not much question that Diablo is more popular among the general populace, especially nowadays (at their respective peaks they were probably similar). We don't know for sure about gamefaqs but among the general public yes.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 4/26/2009 3:35:37 PM | message detail

From: creativename | #273
Diablo II seems more like a GameFAQs-ish type game to me.


I completely agree. Before any contests or polls I would have taken D2 over Starcraft here

But looking at anything poll related with Diablo so far seems pretty disappointing to me.
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/26/2009 3:37:23 PM | message detail
Tomorrow's match looks kind of promising, just to see how FFX and MGS2 will do, if were overrating FFX, that kind of thing.
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voltch | Posted 4/26/2009 3:41:32 PM | message detail
MGS2 has got to be the weakest MGS game,it's a fantastic game,but i just don't see how it could be above any of the other three.
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/26/2009 3:42:36 PM | message detail
I'm willing to wager the first line of my sig that MGS2 will do slightly better in the stats than MGS3 by the time it's all said and done, honestly.
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eaglesarebeasts | Posted 4/26/2009 3:53:18 PM | message detail
^ yeah I think that wold make sense
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/26/2009 3:56:33 PM | message detail
Remember how Diablo blew out Elder scrolls for top PC RPG series on gamefaqs?

If Morrowind looks good tomorrow (like seperates itself from Silent Hill), I'd say Diablo could be pretty strong
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Tohoya | Posted 4/26/2009 4:01:34 PM | message detail
ya know all those people saying wow has 10million subscribers,hasn't Tetris sold more?
and i dunno GTAIV sold really well but i can't see it excelling.

why do people focus so much on that whole 10million subscribers thing?


Tetris is teh casual.

There's certainly not a linear causal effect between sales and contest strength, but denying a correlation is just asinine.
SonicRaptor | Posted 4/26/2009 4:04:34 PM | message detail
why do people focus so much on that whole 10million subscribers thing?

Because WoW gamers are very tight-knit and communities outside of the game are very numerous. Out of all of the games that could benefit from external rallying, WoW seems to be the most likely candidate.
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Tohoya | Posted 4/26/2009 4:05:55 PM | message detail
I mean, no one gives a crap about Hogger and he still managed to do reasonably well last contest thanks to rallying and WoW votes. He means even less to WoW players than Kerrigan does to Starcraft players, considerably less in fact. The ratio of WoW's strength: Hogger's strength is likely to be double that of the ratio between Starcraft's strength: Kerrigan's strength.
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/26/2009 4:06:57 PM | message detail
Basically, Hogger is a generic enemy from WoW (think Zolomy from FF7 and then how he did).

Thats why to fear WoW.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 4/26/2009 4:09:44 PM | message detail

From: MyWorldIsCrono | #279
Remember how Diablo blew out Elder scrolls for top PC RPG series on gamefaqs?


You mean the 36-33% victory that you can barely even call a victory?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/26/2009 4:11:00 PM | message detail
Huh you're right, I thought I remembered it being 40-31 for some reason
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RPGuy96 | Posted 4/26/2009 4:23:22 PM | message detail
I suppose if 57% is an Ulti-blowout, 52% can be an Albion-blowout.
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ZFS | Posted 4/26/2009 4:26:35 PM | message detail
Man, Hogger beat Ramza and Laharl. It's like saying Monkey Island beating SimCity was impressive and we should watch out for Guybrush.

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The n00b Avenger | Posted 4/26/2009 4:28:05 PM | message detail
Still more impressive than Kerrigan. An enemy from WoW would beat an integral character from Starcraft

lol
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ZFS | Posted 4/26/2009 4:30:05 PM | message detail
Hey, Kuja got beat by a Hand. Fodder is crazy like that!

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/26/2009 4:30:57 PM | message detail
HM, Hogger is a random monster from WoW.

If a random monster from any top game won a match, I'd be impressed. Zolomy couldn't even look any better then uber fodder.
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ZFS | Posted 4/26/2009 4:33:03 PM | message detail
Zolom also had Cloud in the poll. This isn't surprising!

Seriously, Ramza and Laharl -- these are not beacons of strength. The fact he had to rally to win that one kinda says it all, ignoring that someone down the line like Dante was able to put up 50% on 'em.

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red sox 777 | Posted 4/26/2009 4:33:38 PM | message detail
Zolomy would triple Hogger 1v1, book it.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/26/2009 4:34:08 PM | message detail

From: ZFS | #291
Zolom also had Cloud in the poll. This isn't surprising!

Seriously, Ramza and Laharl -- these are not beacons of strength. The fact he had to rally to win that one kinda says it all, ignoring that someone down the line like Dante was able to put up 50% on 'em.


Of course he needed rallying. Thats why WoW has strength. IF it has the strength to have a random monster win a match, regardless of competition, then the WoW rallying power is something to be feared. Honestly, Hogger woulda gotten single digits there without rallying.
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ZFS | Posted 4/26/2009 4:35:43 PM | message detail
Whatever gives you hope, I guess.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/26/2009 4:37:26 PM | message detail
Hope? I love how you always ignore facts. I bet you think Starcraft in 2004 was totally legit and had no rallying.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/26/2009 4:38:10 PM | message detail
Haha, what is this. Are you seriously bringing up Hogger to argue for WoW.

Be quiet.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/26/2009 4:38:30 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #296
Haha, what is this. Are you seriously bringing up Hogger to argue for WoW.

Be quiet.


Its an example of 6-8k rallied votes.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 4/26/2009 4:40:18 PM | message detail
From: ZFS | #276
Man, Hogger beat Ramza and Laharl. It's like saying Monkey Island beating SimCity was impressive and we should watch out for Guybrush.

If only!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/26/2009 4:41:34 PM | message detail
And the difference with Guybrush is that he won on his own legit strength. Hogger only won due to rallying. Unless you think that the Monkey Island sites were able to rally up 6-8k votes somehow for him.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 4/26/2009 4:42:02 PM | message detail
Considering Albion knows as much about rallying about anyone else, I believe him when he says that WoW will have excellent rallying power. That's not to say WoW will make it past R2 (or R3 if it gets super lucky), but I wouldn't doubt it winning at least one match, that's for sure.