GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 691
| Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/25/2009 9:39:09 PM | message detail |
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Adding another game into a poll that shares the same fanbase will
NEVER make it do better. No matter how badly it SFFs it. It's common
sense. Add a game equal to CC's strength in and it and FFIX would be doing slightly better while HL and OoT would be doing slightly worse. Ok, I see your logic. But your telling me that the CC fanbase is directly making FFIX do slightly worse simply because they share the Square fanbase as a whole? I'm not sure I'm buying it. FFIX and CC may be made by the same game company, but they are COMPLETELY different games with very different fanbases I'd wager. The fact that FF9 probably gets a fair share of franchise votes only works against Chrono Cross. Even guys like Ulti stated that he's not buying that Chrono Cross would receive many franchise votes just due to it's name. --- The Straight Up G The Palace of Wisdom Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/25/2009 9:39:37 PM | message detail |
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I just find it hilarious he was freaking out about a 500 post. Especially since I did one on the previous topic that was much more offensive. Seriously, what is that about --- The Straight Up G The Palace of Wisdom Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/25/2009 9:39:45 PM | message detail |
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So HL being more than tripled by OoT is good? Looks like the PC games thrived with lower votals. Also looks like the format doesn't help them worth jack ****. Sucks for my bracket! --- http://gamebros.smackjeeves.com/ http://l33trappacat.smackjeeves.com/ |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/25/2009 9:39:59 PM | message detail |
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But your telling me that the CC fanbase is directly making FFIX do
slightly worse simply because they share the Square fanbase as a whole? Yes. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 4/25/2009 9:40:35 PM | message detail |
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From: Masato_Tanaka | #101 Then you're contradicting yourself. In order to suffer from SFF they'd have to share a similar fanbase. It's not one or the other --- A refusal of praise is a desire to be praised twice. |
| Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/25/2009 9:40:39 PM | message detail |
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A minor correction: adding another game into a poll that shares the
same fanbase will never make a game do better relative to its
competition, assuming the competition is non-static (L-Block). A game's
absolute percentage can go up if the other game is SFF'd hard enough. Thank you. That's essentially the point I'm trying to get across. --- The Straight Up G The Palace of Wisdom Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/25/2009 9:40:41 PM | message detail |
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From: M_e_g_a_6_4 | #103 Aren't the votes actually lower here by game since its 4way? --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png Starcraft >= Diablo 2 > The Lost Vikings 2 >> trash >>>> World of Warcraft |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/25/2009 9:41:22 PM | message detail |
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Like that update. Just try and tell me it wasn't CC stealing some of FFIX's fans. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/25/2009 9:41:41 PM | message detail |
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From: KamikazePotato | #108 It wasn't CC stealing some of FFIX's fans. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png Starcraft >= Diablo 2 > The Lost Vikings 2 >> trash >>>> World of Warcraft |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 4/25/2009 9:42:19 PM | message detail |
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HL2>HL and FFIX>FFXII...but things aren't looking good for Gordon. I dunno... if you put FF12 as the weakest of the FF bunch (and it has a good argument for that), and if you put HL2 at, say, 55% or so on HL, it could happen. Probably would be more helpful if there was something around to bother FF12 like XG/CC, but yeah. The name isn't everything ('sup FFT). --- turnturnturn your brain in http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/25/2009 9:42:24 PM | message detail |
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Aren't the votes actually lower here by game since its 4way? I've seen this brought up. Pretty much every single result so far in this contest disproves it. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 4/25/2009 9:42:42 PM | message detail |
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From: KamikazePotato | #107 Like that update. Just try and tell me it wasn't CC stealing some of FFIX's fans. As it should ! --- I've been waiting for this moment all my life - it's my destiny. http://64.81.113.250/a-kon-12/000177.jpg |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/25/2009 9:43:40 PM | message detail |
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From: KamikazePotato | #111 But its a fact. Starcraft got more votes in every match last time then it did yesterday. We might have more votes overall, but since the votes are being split 4 ways, games get less votes overall. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png Starcraft >= Diablo 2 > The Lost Vikings 2 >> trash >>>> World of Warcraft |
| MetricTrout | Posted 4/25/2009 9:44:14 PM | message detail |
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Wait, Gordon Freeman's lowest percentage in a 4-way match was 17.82%.
Here, Half-Life is only scoring 15.33%. Does that mean that Gordon is
actually stronger than his game? Or perhaps he derives all of his
strength from Half-Life 2, not the original. --- I, like clockwork, have been humiliated by hochiminh Hochiminh is better than me. I was a numbskull for thinking I could defy Him. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/25/2009 9:44:33 PM | message detail |
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But its a fact. Starcraft got more votes in every match last time
then it did yesterday. We might have more votes overall, but since the
votes are being split 4 ways, games get less votes overall. Which assumes that fanbases are 100% static. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 4/25/2009 9:45:05 PM | message detail |
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A game's total votes that it receives in a match is lower than it would
be in a 1v1, but each vote is that much harder to get because it's
competing against three options instead of just one - you have to be an
almost completely static entity (ie L-Block) for that to really matter
when the chips are down. --- turnturnturn your brain in http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/25/2009 9:45:07 PM | message detail |
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From: MetricTrout | #114 He does drive most of his strength from Half Life 2 since he was a joke before it... but I figured that those Half Life 2 fans would vote for Half Life, as well. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png Starcraft >= Diablo 2 > The Lost Vikings 2 >> trash >>>> World of Warcraft |
| red sox 777 | Posted 4/25/2009 9:45:29 PM | message detail |
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I've seen this brought up. Pretty much every single result so far in this contest disproves it. What? Votals by game are indisbutably lower here. If we didn't get results that fit expectations for the effect of lower/higher votals, then that just indicates the expectations might be wrong! --- Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
| MetricTrout | Posted 4/25/2009 9:45:54 PM | message detail |
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I think the main problem with Starcraft is that no one gives a damn about it anymore. --- I, like clockwork, have been humiliated by hochiminh Hochiminh is better than me. I was a numbskull for thinking I could defy Him. |
| nintendogirl1 | Posted 4/25/2009 9:46:08 PM | message detail |
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From: MetricTrout Ocarina of ****ing Time. --- Christ. |
| Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/25/2009 9:46:24 PM | message detail |
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Then you're contradicting yourself. In order to suffer from SFF
they'd have to share a similar fanbase. It's not one or the other Not really. They overlap the Square RPG fanbase. But they do NOT necessarily overlap the hardcore fanbase dedicated to each individual game. For instance, one person can hate FFIX and love Chrono Cross, and vice versa. But because the Final Fantasy fanbase as a whole is stronger, it would sap some Chrono Cross votes basically because it is simply the more preferred RPG out of the two. Thus the main section of votes that Chrono Cross is showing here is it's own dedicated fanbase. Augh, I hope SOME of you understand what I'm getting at. --- The Straight Up G The Palace of Wisdom Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/25/2009 9:46:33 PM | message detail |
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From: MetricTrout | #119 This is the big thing. For Blizzard, its all about WoW these days, while in 2004, Starcraft was top dog. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png Starcraft >= Diablo 2 > The Lost Vikings 2 >> trash >>>> World of Warcraft |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/25/2009 9:46:54 PM | message detail |
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From: nintendogirl1 | #120 PC Fanbases don't overlap with Nintendo fanbases often. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png Starcraft >= Diablo 2 > The Lost Vikings 2 >> trash >>>> World of Warcraft |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/25/2009 9:47:25 PM | message detail |
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And on the subject of HL2 vs HL, I said HL2 would 60-40 HL even before
this match. HL2 has very many parallels to RE4; brought the series back
into the public eye, very critically acclaimed, sold a ton, released on
multiple platforms. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| MetricTrout | Posted 4/25/2009 9:47:42 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, I sort of figured. So Half-Life 2 > FF12 is still a possibility? Or perhaps both games are so weak that Phoenix Wright has a chance to sneak through with his static fanbase? That would be the most awesome result in the contest. --- I, like clockwork, have been humiliated by hochiminh Hochiminh is better than me. I was a numbskull for thinking I could defy Him. |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/25/2009 9:47:45 PM | message detail |
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From: MyWorldIsCrono | #107 I don't really have any other good ideas why Starcraft would fall so far. I wouldn't consider Halo, KH, or WW weak, and I definitely wouldn't consider SSBM weak, and Starcraft held up well against those back in 2004. It has a hyped sequel on the way. I don't really see any reason why Starcraft would fall so much in this format, and yet it did (unless FF8 is really just that ****ing powerful). Same with Half-Life, which is disappointing after pulling respectable numbers against MP in 2004 and having The Orange Box to benefit it indirectly since. What sucks is that I have a bunch of Blizzard and Valve games advancing. It probably won't break my bracket since my winner's pick is different from everyone else in Guru, but still disheartening to watch. --- http://gamebros.smackjeeves.com/ http://l33trappacat.smackjeeves.com/ |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/25/2009 9:47:56 PM | message detail |
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PC Fanbases don't overlap with Nintendo fanbases often. Ocarina. Of. Time. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/25/2009 9:49:25 PM | message detail |
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People still shouldn't doubt WoW though; its in the position that
Starcraft was in at 2004. The top Blizzard game that was played a ton
with a rabid fanbase. Its just replaced Starcraft as top dog, so
Starcrafts decline should be to be expected. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png Starcraft >= Diablo 2 > The Lost Vikings 2 >> trash >>>> World of Warcraft |
| red sox 777 | Posted 4/25/2009 9:49:29 PM | message detail |
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It's because Starcraft wasn't all that strong at the beginning of the
2004 contest either. Halo is not in SSBM's league, nowhere close, yet
Starcraft scored within 1% on those games. It was bandwagoned like
nothing else until L-Block. --- Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/25/2009 9:49:49 PM | message detail |
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From: KamikazePotato | #127 And? I wouldn't expect hardcore PC gamers to be into Nintendo games. Totally different types of games. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png Starcraft >= Diablo 2 > The Lost Vikings 2 >> trash >>>> World of Warcraft |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 4/25/2009 9:51:04 PM | message detail |
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Yeah how dare people doubt an unproven entity shouldn't they know better --- turnturnturn your brain in http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/020/b/f/Ariel_by_lolita_art.jpg |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/25/2009 9:51:23 PM | message detail |
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From: MyWorldIsCrono | #130 Don't you see? OoT is clearly SFFing Half-Life, just as it's SFFing FF9 and Chrono Cross! Hey, maybe that's why Starcraft bombed! FF8 just SFFed the hell out of it! --- http://gamebros.smackjeeves.com/ http://l33trappacat.smackjeeves.com/ |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/25/2009 9:52:11 PM | message detail |
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This is GameFAQs. There is just not a
large PC contingent here. If you've played any PC games, it was
probably just a few of the big ones on the side when you get bored with
your consoles. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/25/2009 9:52:44 PM | message detail |
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From: M_e_g_a_6_4 | #132 Seriously. Claiming OoT is sffing Half Life makes anything sff anything else. Its about as opposite of games as they come. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png Starcraft >= Diablo 2 > The Lost Vikings 2 >> trash >>>> World of Warcraft |
| ZFS | Posted 4/25/2009 9:53:10 PM | message detail |
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Whoa, Half-Life bombing hard. Anyone who called out PC failing to anything before was dead on here. --- http://i44.tinypic.com/hwh4yo.gif |
| red sox 777 | Posted 4/25/2009 9:53:11 PM | message detail |
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Really people? OOT isn't SFFing Half-Life, and this doesn't prove
Gordon is stronger than his game. OOT is way stronger than any of
Gordon's opponents!!! It's that simple! --- Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/25/2009 9:53:23 PM | message detail |
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From: KamikazePotato | #133 If what you say is true, then OoT is sffing FF9 and CC way harder then Half Life, regardless. At least they appeal more to a typical Zelda player then Half Life would. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png Starcraft >= Diablo 2 > The Lost Vikings 2 >> trash >>>> World of Warcraft |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/25/2009 9:54:06 PM | message detail |
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...OoT isn't SFFing anything here. Good god, I thought "Strong entity = makes competition weaker" was a universally understood concept. whoops --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| MetricTrout | Posted 4/25/2009 9:54:20 PM | message detail |
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Look what happened to OoT in this PC-dominated contest: http://archive.gamespy.com/titlefight/matches/0403.shtml --- I, like clockwork, have been humiliated by hochiminh Hochiminh is better than me. I was a numbskull for thinking I could defy Him. |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/25/2009 9:55:20 PM | message detail |
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From: MetricTrout | #139 I like their taste. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png Starcraft >= Diablo 2 > The Lost Vikings 2 >> trash >>>> World of Warcraft |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/25/2009 9:57:38 PM | message detail |
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So does this mean Oregon Trail > Half-Life? --- http://gamebros.smackjeeves.com/ http://l33trappacat.smackjeeves.com/ |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/25/2009 9:58:01 PM | message detail |
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http://archive.gamespy.com/titlefight/matches/0117.shtml haha pokemon was even anti voted to hell on gamespy --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png Starcraft >= Diablo 2 > The Lost Vikings 2 >> trash >>>> World of Warcraft |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/25/2009 9:58:19 PM | message detail |
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From: M_e_g_a_6_4 | #141 I like the sound of that. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png Starcraft >= Diablo 2 > The Lost Vikings 2 >> trash >>>> World of Warcraft |
| MetricTrout | Posted 4/25/2009 9:59:14 PM | message detail |
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Half-Life won, by the way. Also, they had our 2004 contest final in the first round. http://archive.gamespy.com/titlefight/matches/0120.shtml And the winner got knocked out by a PC game next round pretty decisively, too. --- I, like clockwork, have been humiliated by hochiminh Hochiminh is better than me. I was a numbskull for thinking I could defy Him. |
| Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/25/2009 9:59:19 PM | message detail |
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Oregon Trail/Half-Life/Xenogears/Punchout would be an interesting match >_> --- The Straight Up G The Palace of Wisdom Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/25/2009 9:59:34 PM | message detail |
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Boring match, boring topic, boring people. I'm done for the night. --- http://gamebros.smackjeeves.com/ http://l33trappacat.smackjeeves.com/ |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/25/2009 10:01:08 PM | message detail |
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http://archive.gamespy.com/titlefight/matches/0306.shtml Makes me wish we had Diablo 2 in 2004! --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png Starcraft >= Diablo 2 > The Lost Vikings 2 >> trash >>>> World of Warcraft |
| ZFS | Posted 4/25/2009 10:01:51 PM | message detail |
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This does make me feel great about FFXII over HL2, though! --- http://i44.tinypic.com/hwh4yo.gif |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/25/2009 10:02:57 PM | message detail |
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Assuming HL2 60-40s HL, then it would be winning here. FFXII watch out --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/25/2009 10:04:02 PM | message detail |
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From: KamikazePotato | #149 nah OoT would just completly sff HL2 into oblivion giving ff9 the easy win --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png Starcraft >= Diablo 2 > The Lost Vikings 2 >> trash >>>> World of Warcraft |
