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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 690

transience | Posted 4/25/2009 2:35:57 PM | message detail
FF8 beats FF9 due to the Roman Numeral Factor, damn you IX
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voltch | Posted 4/25/2009 2:36:29 PM | message detail
hey Latin rocks,actually it doesn't that's why i never took up latin,Arabic numbers FTW!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/25/2009 2:37:08 PM | message detail
FFVIII looks fancier than FF8, that's why!
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ffmasterjose | Posted 4/25/2009 2:37:47 PM | message detail
So if FFT and FFIX switched places in the bracket, how would you guys see that playing out? Would FFIX have beaten G/S? Would FFT beat Half-Life tomorrow?

I say "no" for both respects. Though now I want to see IX vs. G/S...

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56/72 points - The Best. Game. Ever 2009 Contest
NP: Final Fantasy VIII > Starcraft | http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=4
voltch | Posted 4/25/2009 2:38:32 PM | message detail
but 8 is symetrical number while VIII looks five bars lined up and someone decided to knock two of em down.
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transience | Posted 4/25/2009 2:38:43 PM | message detail
FF9's a good bit better than FFT. it would have been closer at the very least.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 4/25/2009 2:38:47 PM | message detail
The number of people that mistakened "VIII" for "VII" is so ridiculously small and trivial I doubt it had any impact in this contest at all.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 4/25/2009 2:39:02 PM | message detail
Leonhart:

Brawl vs. Dissidia = Best match pic ever!


...We NEED that match. It has to be the bonus round, just for the sheer Ninty vs. Square and badass factor.
ZFS | Posted 4/25/2009 2:40:03 PM | message detail
Dissidia going to take over GameFAQs soon watch out

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voltch | Posted 4/25/2009 2:40:08 PM | message detail
I'm sure there are over 20 thousand pour souls who voted VIII and thought they were voting VII,only to realise....they would have voted VIII anyway.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/25/2009 2:40:15 PM | message detail
Yeah, no doubt in my mind FFIX is stronger than FFT at this point. I think I would take it over G/S, but we'll see how FFIX does tomorrow. The complete and utter lack of noticeable LFF this contest means that it has no excuses if it loses to Half-Life tomorrow.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/25/2009 2:40:34 PM | message detail
pour souls
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/25/2009 2:41:00 PM | message detail
Squaresoft Headquarters, 1988.

Person 1: In 21 years, the 7th game in this series will be the strongest game in a contest hosted by something called a "website." I don't know why this is so important, but I'm sure it is, so let's think of ways to make the 8th game as strong as popular on this "website."

Person 2: If the 7th game is popular, why don't we use roman numerals? People won't be able to tell the difference.

Person 1: Good plan. We shall name this sequel Final Fantasy II and not Final Fantasy 2.
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/25/2009 2:42:13 PM | message detail
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voltch | Posted 4/25/2009 2:42:21 PM | message detail
oh and Dissidia vs Brawl would be totally one sided,if Zelda can take out the entire FF franchise,what chance do the main villains and Heroes have against the entire roster which will include Sonic and Snake fanbases.
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ZFS | Posted 4/25/2009 2:42:33 PM | message detail
Tough to say about FFIX and GSC. Need to see what happens tomorrow first, but FFIX would have done much better than FFT, I think, no doubts there. FFT's definitely as low tier FF as we'll probably get.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/25/2009 2:44:18 PM | message detail
So you would take FFI and FFIV over FFT?
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hochiminhX | Posted 4/25/2009 2:44:49 PM | message detail
The number of people that mistakened "VIII" for "VII" is so ridiculously small and trivial I doubt it had any impact in this contest at all.


The word you're looking for is "mistook" which came from the Old Norse "mistaka" meaning "to take in error"

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voltch | Posted 4/25/2009 2:45:20 PM | message detail
tomorrow IX will be brilliant cos senile old farts will confuse IX with I and vote thinkings it's FFI,while younger audiences after not sleeping for days will see IX as X see some blonde kid,think it's Tidus and vote for IX thiking it's X.
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ZFS | Posted 4/25/2009 2:45:49 PM | message detail
Yep. I don't expect there to be much difference in strength indirectly between FF, FFIV, and FFIX -- they should all be pretty comparable, though I've got FFIX on top of the three.

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ffmasterjose | Posted 4/25/2009 2:46:01 PM | message detail
FF1 I'm pretty shaky on and would most likely go with Tactics. I'd consider IV a "cute" upset and cheer for it all the way.
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56/72 points - The Best. Game. Ever 2009 Contest
NP: Final Fantasy VIII > Starcraft | http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=4
voltch | Posted 4/25/2009 2:47:54 PM | message detail
wouldn't FFII&III be the weakest possible mainline FFs?
though FF legend might the weakest overall.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/25/2009 2:49:15 PM | message detail
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/25/2009 2:49:49 PM | message detail
Whoops, darn Roman Numeral Confusion Factor!

So how would everyone rank the FF games in the contest, while we're on the topic?

FFVII >> FFVI >= FFX > FFVIII > FFIX > FFIV > FFI > FFT

FFVI is still in second but it's on notice depending on what FFX does on Monday. I guess I'd have to agree with FFT in last because FFI did better on Mario World than FFT did on G/S, and there's no way I take G/S over Mario World.
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ZFS | Posted 4/25/2009 2:51:31 PM | message detail
FFVII > FFX > FFVIII > FFVI > FFIX > FFIV > FFI > FFT > FFXII is what I'm going with right now.

Hard to place FFXII, but the best it could do is probably only go above FFT.

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transience | Posted 4/25/2009 2:52:01 PM | message detail
FF8 looks stronger than FF6. I see no reason for FF10 to falter there either.

give me 7 > 10 > 8 > 6 > 9, with the rest lagging a good bit behind.
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voltch | Posted 4/25/2009 2:52:35 PM | message detail
FFVII>>FFVIII=FFX>=FFVI>>FFIX>FFIV>FFT=FFI

i think older games rely waaay too much on older fanbases,so while nostalgia can keep an FFVI at top level,in the long run youth will triumph.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/25/2009 3:01:12 PM | message detail
Oh right, I completely forgot about FFXII being in this contest.

I'll give it the benefit of the doubt over FFT, for now. FFT just looked awful yesterday.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/25/2009 3:02:10 PM | message detail
FFXII probably beats FFT due to recency alone, but I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up a tier below every single FF game in the contest.

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SonicRaptor | Posted 4/25/2009 3:03:17 PM | message detail
FF7 > FF8 >= FF10 > FF6 > FF9 >= FF4 > FFT > FF1 > FF12

I don't think there will be much competition for FF12's position, it's even more apathetically received than 9. At least 9 has a sliver of FF support because it is a good game, it's just few really played it in the PS1's final year. There was no time for it to build up a fanbase like 7 or 8 which were released earlier on.

FFT has taken a drop and lives on through portable entries that have yet to be critically received by the fanbase.
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Mumei | Posted 4/25/2009 3:03:59 PM | message detail
Oh right, I completely forgot about FFXII being in this contest.

And really, doesn't that just say it all?

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SonicRaptor | Posted 4/25/2009 3:04:17 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #379
FFXII probably beats FFT due to recency alone, but I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up a tier below every single FF game in the contest.


We won't know if FF12 is below FFT (Good Lord that game bombed this year) until it's match comes up. I believe it is lower because, while FFT still has a fanbase, FF12 is still received with apathy.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/25/2009 3:05:22 PM | message detail
Yeah, unless FFIX like...doubles HL tomorrow I'd say that HL2 beats FFXII until further notice. HL2>HL by a good bit, and FFIX>FFXII by a good bit.

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voltch | Posted 4/25/2009 3:06:13 PM | message detail
star/turd of the round's gonna be hard this year.

FFVIII,R/B/Y,DKC,SMB all surprised us,either by hammering or resisting assigned trends etc,though for turd,i get the feeling some big names are gonna really suck in the second half.

maybe something like RE4 folding,or GoW looking like fodder or the PS2 MGS games getting smacked.
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Master Moltar | Posted 4/25/2009 3:06:23 PM | message detail

From: ZFS | #375
FFVII > FFX > FFVIII > FFVI > FFIX > FFIV > FFI > FFT > FFXII is what I'm going with right now.

Hard to place FFXII, but the best it could do is probably only go above FFT.


This, but I think FF12 has a shot of ending up higher than that. At least above FFT and at best a little above FF4.
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Match 19 - Bracket: Starcraft > FF8 - Vote: SC (54/72)
RPGuy96 | Posted 4/25/2009 3:06:43 PM | message detail
FFVII > FFVIII > FFVI > (FFX) >> FF > (FFIX) > FFIV > FFT > (FFXII)

I wouldn't take much for me to put FFX over FFVI, but I want to see it in action first. FFIX could go up one if it beats up Half-Life or down two if it flops, and I don't expect much from FFXII at all.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 4/25/2009 3:15:51 PM | message detail
I find it interesting that now we are talking about if FFT will be the lowest FF game on the contest tier right now (at least, in terms of games that have made an appearance).
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/25/2009 3:18:44 PM | message detail
Well before the contest I always though Tactics was in the same tier as IX, IV and I.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: Starcraft > FFVIII Points: 53/72
SonicRaptor | Posted 4/25/2009 3:24:24 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #388
Well before the contest I always though Tactics was in the same tier as IX, IV and I.


Yeah, but now we are talking about it being below FF12 which would have been insane at the time.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/25/2009 3:39:39 PM | message detail
And really, doesn't that just say it all?

Yes, it does, especially considering I actually like FFXII.

Still think FFXII's got a great shot at beating HL2 though.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/25/2009 3:44:31 PM | message detail
Still think FFXII's got a great shot at beating HL2 though.

As long as FFIX easily wins tomorrow it's possible.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: Starcraft > FFVIII Points: 53/72
LeonhartFour | Posted 4/25/2009 3:45:17 PM | message detail
Yeah, if FFIX loses tomorrow, FFXII can forget winning. Of course, I can always blame it on CC!
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transience | Posted 4/25/2009 3:49:52 PM | message detail
Of course, I can always blame it on CC!

no you can't. not after Xenogears today.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/25/2009 3:50:25 PM | message detail
Denial mode initiated
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/25/2009 3:51:32 PM | message detail
Hey, I like FFXII too and there's absolutely no way it deserves to advance in that match. Twilight Princess? Half-Life 2? Phoenix Wright? Tough luck.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/25/2009 3:54:09 PM | message detail
Oh wow, I just realized Seifer is in the background of FFVIII's pic.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/25/2009 3:54:24 PM | message detail
Chrono Cross is going to get beat into the ground by FF9, which will then get beat into the ground by FF8. Chrono Cross being at the bottom of the x-stats is something I can definitely live with.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/25/2009 4:00:21 PM | message detail
Oh right, totally forgot about yesterday's stuff!

Yesterday's chart:

Time | Deus Ex | FFT | MGS | Gold/Silver | Demographic
EBV | 6.71% | 22.66% | 35.77% | 34.86% | (0:00-0:05)
PHV | 7.25% | 22.51% | 37.41% | 32.82% | (0:00-1:00)
FNV | 8.75% | 23.43% | 38.74% | 29.08% | (1:00-6:00)
BSV | 8.34% | 22.24% | 37.45% | 31.97% | (6:00-9:00)
DSV | 8.11% | 23.66% | 38.72% | 29.51% | (9:00-14:30)
ASV | 6.73% | 21.94% | 35.14% | 36.20% | (14:30-22:00)
SNV | 7.03% | 23.20% | 34.38% | 35.38% | (22:00-24:00)

MGS does great until the ASV, where it loses the rest of the match outright to G/S. That's just a huge jump in the ASV for G/S, one of the biggest jumps I can remember seeing. FFT does best at night and the during school hours. Deus Ex is a night game through and through. It got hit hard during the ASV.

Yesterday's stats:

Metal Gear Solid – 50.00%
Pokemon Gold/Silver – 46.67%
Final Fantasy Tactics – 38.07%
Deus Ex – 17.15%

What a difference five years makes, eh?
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 4/25/2009 4:01:46 PM | message detail
Then again, Xenogears escaped fodderization (sure, it doesn't have good numbers, but its WAY better than, say, Phantasy Star IV, and a bit better than SoR2), which means CC will probably end up looking better than the turbofodder we've seen for so many divisions.
Mac Arrowny | Posted 4/25/2009 4:11:41 PM | message detail
Chrono Cross gonna beat Half-Life tomorrow
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