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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 690

Karma Hunter | Posted 4/25/2009 9:00:41 AM | message detail
Man I had no idea Super Mario Galaxy was the strongest game in the contest seeing as how it quintupled up a Zelda game and all! But I'm guessing MWC is ready to account bet that RBY places in the finals (which it will obviously make) due to OoT/LttP fanbase splitting huh
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/25/2009 9:01:22 AM | message detail
The next round will bring RBY back down to earth.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/25/2009 9:03:49 AM | message detail
I don't really see how it could. We already saw GSC get within 5% of MGS, so we all know RBY would beat it (most likely) in a fair matchup. Anything that happens in R2 is fanbase splitting.

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voltch | Posted 4/25/2009 9:03:55 AM | message detail
what's mwc's new account name?
i don't think i have him on ignore.
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Meeks54 | Posted 4/25/2009 9:05:33 AM | message detail

From: UltimaterializerX | #200
I love people clinging to this notion that Majora's Mask HAS to be strong because of its name.




We have NO reason to believe it is not strong. We have yet to see any Zelda entrant except Tingle that is not strong.


This board has it pegged at WW (LOL) but I myself stand by the fact that it would take apart Link's Awakening in a one on one poll. And look at what LA just did.

OoT
ALttP
WW/TP
LoZ
MM
LA


Even if it is all because of it's name, and not because of its game if MM has any strength at all (and it clearly does being Zelda and all) then RBY is that strong.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/25/2009 9:07:48 AM | message detail
WAND GHAMELON AND ZELDA 2 > STARCRAFT GUYS I MEAN OBVIOUSLY

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Karma Hunter | Posted 4/25/2009 9:08:01 AM | message detail
You see his claims are so self-evident he doesn't even NEED to support them with logic or empirical data!

(ready to take you up on that account bet any time MWC)
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/25/2009 9:08:12 AM | message detail
Wand of Ghamelon doesn't deserve to be spelled correctly.
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transience | Posted 4/25/2009 9:08:29 AM | message detail
holy balls, FF8 went nuts. I've revised my thinking of this being Starcraft sucking to FF8 being very, very legit. (though I still do think that Starcraft sucks.) good show.
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Mumei | Posted 4/25/2009 9:10:10 AM | message detail
Well.

This is disappointing.

Worst case, I was thinking.... 55 - 45-ish, not 60 - 40-ish.

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creativename | Posted 4/25/2009 9:11:24 AM | message detail
What's MWC stand for? I don't recall this user from before.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/25/2009 9:11:46 AM | message detail
I still think Pokemon GS isn't that much weaker than RBY, but RBY should be the favourite to win over MGS in a fair match.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: Starcraft > FFVIII Points: 53/72
voltch | Posted 4/25/2009 9:11:59 AM | message detail
wasn't it michaelwclark?
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transience | Posted 4/25/2009 9:13:10 AM | message detail
this match is pretty crazy as far as vote shifts go

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/images/poll_graph.php?matchnum=3464&type=1&seconds=60&max=0

I blame Starcraft, I guess.
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Mumei | Posted 4/25/2009 9:16:07 AM | message detail
The percentage shift, at least through where I looked, was StarCraft falling off faster than FFVIII did once 3 AM hit.

12:00 - 3:00 it was 56 - 44-ish, and then it suddenly became low to mid-60s to the corresponding 30s.

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transience | Posted 4/25/2009 9:19:03 AM | message detail
Starcraft's currently at 38.7% and dropping

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1662

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 4/25/2009 9:20:02 AM | message detail
RBY > FF8 in the finals get ready for it
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Meeks54 | Posted 4/25/2009 9:21:59 AM | message detail
I agree though.


It is much better idea to base FF VIII's strength on an overrated game thanks to mass cheating in 2004, than it is to base Pokemon's off the one constant this contest has seen the last 8 years......Zelda will kill you and your family and laugh while doing it.


Good call on that one. Lets say MM would lose to WW 60-40 (probably not that much of a blowout honestly) without SFF. WW was about even with the overrated 2004 SC. So put WW in for MM's and Pokemon still beats it by more than VIII is beating SC right now, and that is still going by the archaic thought that 2009SC roughly equals 2004SC. When you factor that SC has died, it becomes even more apparent.

Of the 4 major snubs.

RBY>VIII>SMB>MM.


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voltch | Posted 4/25/2009 9:23:09 AM | message detail
tchh, 1 vs 1 FFVIII vs R/B/Y,you sure you wanna side with R/B/Y there?
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/25/2009 9:24:00 AM | message detail
Wind Waker would've destroyed Starcraft if it wasn't for rallying, not as much as FFVIII is doing now though.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: Starcraft > FFVIII Points: 53/72
RPGuy96 | Posted 4/25/2009 9:24:46 AM | message detail
No way RBY is strong enough to beat FF8 without some crazy SFF hijinks. People are going overboard on RBY if they think that. FF8 is a legit near-top tier game, RBY is probably not.

Ignoring FFVIII for now, because there's certainly a good argument (that I would subscribe to since FFVIII exploded) for FFVIII > RBY, I'm not sure why you think that latter sentence. RBY decimated (thanks hochi) Majora's Mask, ending up with 63.7% on it. Sure, Majora's Mask is untested, but that's not all we've got - the very next day little brother GS got 46.7% on MGS and 58.7% on FFT. That suggests to me that RBY beats MGS in a fair fight, probably without too much trouble, and MGS' percentage on FFT (61.9%) suggests that it's pretty legit as well. There's only so low I'm willing to go on that RBY/MGS/GS/FFT/MM group.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/25/2009 9:25:59 AM | message detail
Meeks must be a troll or something
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BGE2 - Today: SC > FF8 - Points: 51/72 Vote: FF8
Meeks54 | Posted 4/25/2009 9:26:04 AM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #220
Wind Waker would've destroyed Starcraft if it wasn't for rallying, not as much as FFVIII is doing now though.




But SC is much weaker now. They are not the same game. FF VIII would not be doing this to 2004 SC.



And 1 on 1 I would probably take FF VIII because of franchise voting an anti voting, but in a four way I would take Pokemon without a second thought.
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eaglesarebeasts | Posted 4/25/2009 9:27:42 AM | message detail
Am I the only one who thinks that FFX is going to be disgustingly strong? Like CT level.
voltch | Posted 4/25/2009 9:28:58 AM | message detail
if X is the real no 2 it's gona be a lot stronger than CT imo.
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/25/2009 9:30:48 AM | message detail
We've seen FFX already in 2004; there's no reason for it to have boosted a lot since then.
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voltch | Posted 4/25/2009 9:33:19 AM | message detail
we've already proven that whatever we thought of 04 has been thrown out of the window.
so X might be uber strong if we actually put a character=strength for once.
combine the power of auron/tidus/yuna/rikku that's a lot stronger than say kefka/locke/terra/celes,i expect X to be a strong competitor.
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voltch | Posted 4/25/2009 9:34:08 AM | message detail
also,FFX doesn't get the backlash it used to,that's reserved for XII,i haven't seen a meg ryan joke in years.
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eaglesarebeasts | Posted 4/25/2009 9:34:54 AM | message detail
We've seen FFX already in 2004; there's no reason for it to have boosted a lot since then.

Yeah I know that it wasn't amazingly strong last contest, but I just see it being really strong now. Wasn't there a poll once that had FFX beating all of the other "game of the year" winners from other years?
MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/25/2009 9:35:05 AM | message detail
I guess SSB wouldn't be faring that much better here. I know it'd do better than SC but probably not by a lot to cause any concern for even Starcraft.
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/25/2009 9:37:18 AM | message detail
If you want to go by characters, Crono is stronger than any FFX character, not that this proves anything. But CT is the #2 Square game, and CTDS has cemented this.....maybe FFX would have had a chance there the last 2 years, but not now.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 4/25/2009 9:37:29 AM | message detail
Time for my thoughts.

Pokemon Red/Blue - I seriously think Pokemon just ended up SFFing everything else in the poll. That CAN'T be its true strength. BTW Pokemon placed #28 on the list.
Zelda: Majora's Mask - This is one of the most hated games in the series, so stop thinking it has to be strong. I think Majora's Mask might be a low midcarder. If memory serves me right, Majora's Mask placed #46 on the list.
StarCraft - Okay, I'm somewhat mad at it getting absolutely pwned in today's match (BTW the word "pwned" comes from StarCraft players), but I guess this just means that I have to watch somebody playing Final Fantasy VII on YouTube. I used to say that FF7 was overrated, and then I watched Resobaso's walkthrough on the game and it looked cool (minus my hate towards pre-rendered graphics, though I can understand why they are present in games from that time).
Final Fantasy VIII - If StarCraft was still at its 2004 levels, FF8 should beat Ocarina of Time next round! But I don't think that could happen. It must be noted that FF8 placed #17 on the list while SC placed #18.

COMPLETELY UNRELATED TO THESE MATCHES - Has anybody else pointed out that this is the first contest where Donkey Kong actually looked good?
LordOfDabu | Posted 4/25/2009 9:38:06 AM | message detail
So who is "uncreative"?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=87810&currentpage=7

Brand new account on that website and linking to graphs on gfaqs contests. The effect will be marginal so I don't see why whoever it is decided to waste their time. :P

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Seeing 43-27 was certainly not what I was anticipating at all. Yikes.

One of the things that was cool (to me) about 2004 was that I was 5 years closer to the average age of the typical voter, so I could more or less pick my own favorites in each match and still do well. That's not the case anymore and it makes me feel much more distant from the way the site thinks. =(
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Mumei | Posted 4/25/2009 9:40:16 AM | message detail
So.

How about Diablo II and WoW? Think they're going to flop as much?

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/25/2009 9:41:10 AM | message detail
WoW I can see flopping, but Diablo II we've never really seen in a contest, and I'd at least argue it's still relevant today.

It's strange how a lot of old 3-D games aren't aging as well as we think they have. Perhaps the trend will continue for a while.
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BGE2 - Today: SC > FF8 - Points: 51/72 Vote: FF8
red sox 777 | Posted 4/25/2009 9:41:50 AM | message detail
I think this is more FFVIII being strong than Starcraft flopping. It's still beating Soul Calibur 64-36.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/25/2009 9:42:33 AM | message detail
Luckily for Diablo, it's up against games that are quite capable of flopping right alongside it.
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/25/2009 9:43:27 AM | message detail
As for the other 2 Blizzard games, Diablo 2 should be fine- it's only up against Halo and we never had the expectations for it we had for Starcraft due to the Melee match. WoW I've thought would flop since the beginning. The only thing that will save it is if Albion is right, and it really can rally 10,000 votes. And even that might not be enough.
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voltch | Posted 4/25/2009 9:43:30 AM | message detail
if we go by characters crono/magus/frog/marle/lavos ain't touching the FFX cast,only crono's worth anything there.
but square is strong this year,honestly if we take MGS/FFVII sff out of equation Cloud might be closer to link than we thought.

him winning again would certainly be great.

come on E3 announce that remake,i don't care if it comes out i 2016,an announcement will generate hyp that'll make brawl hype look feeble.

hype>releases for boosts when it comes to the top guys imo,they work differently cos releases will generate backlash most of the timer.
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LordOfDabu | Posted 4/25/2009 9:44:57 AM | message detail
Clearly this result is just people misreading "VIII" as "VII"!

(It honestly wouldn't realize surprise me if that happens to a small percentage. Roman Numerals are tricky!)
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eaglesarebeasts | Posted 4/25/2009 9:46:08 AM | message detail
FOUND IT!!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2995

Doesn't this poll have to account for something? I mean it looks incredibly strong from that.
XxSoulxX | Posted 4/25/2009 9:47:05 AM | message detail
That poll means nothing. Too much SFF.
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voltch | Posted 4/25/2009 9:48:01 AM | message detail
take out the nintendo games and except twilight princess and i wownder what happens
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 4/25/2009 9:49:48 AM | message detail
Speaking of Twilight Princess, am I the only one here who picked it to lose to Half-Life 2?

I thought Gordon Freeman beating Ganondorf would mean something.
eaglesarebeasts | Posted 4/25/2009 9:50:42 AM | message detail
It still got over a quarter of the vote with 6 other high tier games.
red sox 777 | Posted 4/25/2009 9:52:18 AM | message detail
CT would have done just as well in that poll, or any strong non-Nintendo game.
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voltch | Posted 4/25/2009 9:52:35 AM | message detail
huh,you know there's still link and after seeing the main FFs do well(except tactics)
don't ya think FFXII is in with a shoot,great sales,good position on the FAQs charts,vocal haters,but strong support too vs a PC FPS,i got HL2 but no way am i underestimating this new square.

that FFXIII demo seems to have woken the fanbase up.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/25/2009 9:54:22 AM | message detail
After seeing the Zelda series do so well, people thought MM would easily beat Pokemon. That didn't turn out too well.

Don't be jumping on the FF bandwagon just yet.
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 4/25/2009 9:54:25 AM | message detail
Gordon Freeman has already beaten Balthier Bunansa easily, so there's no way that Final Fantasy XII beats Half-Life 2.

And if Gordon can beat Ganondorf, Half-Life 2 can definetely beat Twilight Princess.
red sox 777 | Posted 4/25/2009 9:56:02 AM | message detail
Gordon only beat Ganondorf because Samus was in the poll. And Gordon would beat Kefka too; doesn't mean Half Life 2 would beat FFVI.
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