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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 690

MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/25/2009 7:13:33 AM | message detail

From: Tequilla Gundam | #147
Isn't the percentage FF8 is putting on StarCraft akin to what OOT would do? Just saying.


If you buy SC's ranking in 2004 (which is idiotic), no.
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ZFS | Posted 4/25/2009 7:13:45 AM | message detail
MGS still has a good shot at making it out, too. I just meant that FFVIII would be there in the final even if FFIX wins tomorrow.

Though after this, I like FFVIII to be the one to come out of here alive. I thought I was going big by having it win by 10%, but it's well past that now. Good show.

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creativename | Posted 4/25/2009 7:14:29 AM | message detail
RBY may be a top 3 game

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ZFS | Posted 4/25/2009 7:15:38 AM | message detail
RBY may be a top 3 game,

What the

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voltch | Posted 4/25/2009 7:15:45 AM | message detail
Hochi declarations

whenever he makes a grand declaration it will always come true,that is his power.

though if we had mixed divs LttP/FFVIII/random fodder that won't cause lff.
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Meeks54 | Posted 4/25/2009 7:17:25 AM | message detail

From: ZFS | #152
MGS still has a good shot at making it out, too. I just meant that FFVIII would be there in the final even if FFIX wins tomorrow.

Though after this, I like FFVIII to be the one to come out of here alive. I thought I was going big by having it win by 10%, but it's well past that now. Good show.




No, just no you bloody fanboys.


MGS does not have a prayer anymore.

RBY is going to obliterate this game.

VIII is more than likely going to beat this game

OoT is of course going to beat the game.

But VIII becomes irrelevant because RBY is going to rip it apart.



People need to understand that Starcraft's numbers are BS, so this is very impressive, but not as much as some of you are making it out to be.
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Master Moltar | Posted 4/25/2009 7:19:06 AM | message detail
Man, FF8 rocked it overnight/early morning. I always expected either it or Starcraft to bomb here, I just bet on the wrong horse!

Glad I still have FF8 taking second in Round 2. Definitely looking like the 3rd strongest FF here.
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Match 19 - Bracket: Starcraft > FF8 - Vote: SC (54/72)
LinkMarioSamus | Posted 4/25/2009 7:19:10 AM | message detail
*sorry for the double post*

Here are what the top ten are according to the list from 2005.

1. Final Fantasy VII (nothing wrong with calling it the best game ever, to be honest)
2. Zelda: Ocarina of Time (YAY)
3. Chrono Trigger (YAY)
4. Zelda: A Link to the Past (YAY)
5. Super Mario Bros. 3 (YAY)
6. Super Smash Bros. Melee (VERY OVERRATED)
7. GoldenEye (nothing wrong with it being here)
8. Metal Gear Solid (YAY)
9. Halo (uhm)
10. Final Fantasy VI (YAY)

According to the 2004 X-Stats

1. Final Fantasy VII
2. Zelda: Ocarina of Time
3. Chrono Trigger
4. Zelda: A Link to the Past
5. Super Mario Bros. 3
6. Final Fantasy VI
7. Super Smash Bros. Melee
8. StarCraft (not sure if top ten is suitable, but top 20 for sure in my book)
9. Zelda: Wind Waker (VERY GOOD BUT NOT TOP TEN!!!)
10. Halo

If I ran the contest and my vote was supreme

1. Zelda: Ocarina of Time
2. Chrono Trigger
3. Zelda: A Link to the Past
4. Super Mario Bros. 3
5. Super Mario 64
6. Super Metroid
7. Metal Gear Solid
8. Final Fantasy VI
9. Resident Evil 4
10. Half-Life 2
nintendogirl1 | Posted 4/25/2009 7:20:24 AM | message detail

From: Meeks54
RBY may be a top 3 game


Damn. Not even I'd go THAT far. I mean I'd love it for sure and would probably take it over LTTP/CT as an incredibly sexy upset given even slightly favourable circumstances, but I sure as well wouldn't bank on it. Definitely wouldn't go for it 1-on-1.
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nintendogirl1 | Posted 4/25/2009 7:23:17 AM | message detail

From: LinkMarioSamus
If I ran the contest and my vote was supreme

1. Zelda: Ocarina of Time
2. Chrono Trigger
3. Zelda: A Link to the Past
4. Super Mario Bros. 3
5. Super Mario 64
6. Super Metroid
7. Metal Gear Solid
8. Final Fantasy VI
9. Resident Evil 4
10. Half-Life 2


From: LinkMarioSamus
1. Final Fantasy VII (nothing wrong with calling it the best game ever, to be honest)


Umm...
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voltch | Posted 4/25/2009 7:25:08 AM | message detail
this bodes either well for KHII or badly for KH,one game features squall prominantly and KH is roughly equal to soul calibur which got obliterated.
this is actually a match featuring strong games,i think this is more impressive than the r/b/y beatdown.

but this contest just became more interesting,well this division at any rate.
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creativename | Posted 4/25/2009 7:29:24 AM | message detail
DOOM was released on Xbox Live Arcade just like three years ago or something.

I'm pretty sure XBox Arcade and Wii Arcade releases are pretty meaningless.


And I now just lost every bit of faith I had in Diablo II. Gargh.

Don't abandon that so fast because of this.

Diablo II won't be as much a force as it would have in 2004 (back then, it would have been among the strongest snubs this side of FF8), but Halo actually probably isn't as strong as back then either. A bit odd to say that since overall the franchise has become more successful, but I think in contest terms Halo the game may be weaker. And as we've all known it's strength ranking was overrated anyway.

Also I think Diablo II would have been just as strong as Starcraft back then, I believe stronger. A lot of people may have disagreed with me, but that's what I thought back then; Diablo II was a wildly popular and very famous game. Diablo II has also probably declined a bit less steeply than Starcraft, although it's certainly declined. I still see Diablo I&II packs in Walmart so it must be selling somewhat even today, I haven't seen Starcraft in stores in ages.

And never, ever underestimate the heartlessness of choker. Halo can always find a way to blow it.


MGS still has a good shot at making it out, too. I just meant that FFVIII would be there in the final even if FFIX wins tomorrow.

Ironically I wasn't even responding to you :) I posted before I saw your posted. But I agree with you - FF8 will make it, and right now I'd favor it over MGS, but not by too much. MGS has a good shot.

Best case to me is that MGS pulls out a very close match, that way FF8 does well but it won't ruin poor FFX's chances.

FFX would still have some chance there actually - OoT should hurt SSBM a lot. Also I think the relative strengths of FFX and SSBM has shifted significantly in FFX's favor since last contest. But you can't love FFX's chances there if FFVIII also makes it.
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voltch | Posted 4/25/2009 7:32:48 AM | message detail
anyone else thinks that if say MMs mask went through beating say R/B/Y by less than 100 votes because of never before seen ludicrous LFF,in a situation where OOT is stuck against VIII and MGS while being hampered,is VIII a dark horse here?
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LinkMarioSamus | Posted 4/25/2009 7:33:45 AM | message detail
@nintendogirl1: Chrono Trigger and Super Metroid aren't THAT mainstream.

@creativename: Are you sure that XBLA releases are meaningless? Then what could explain for Duke Nukem's sudden strength surge last contest?
GrapefruitKing | Posted 4/25/2009 7:35:02 AM | message detail
*wakes up and sees result*


whoa Jesus! well... I undershot FFVIII by 10%.... that's nice
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ZFS | Posted 4/25/2009 7:35:53 AM | message detail
FFX would still have some chance there actually - OoT should hurt SSBM a lot. Also I think the relative strengths of FFX and SSBM has shifted significantly in FFX's favor since last contest. But you can't love FFX's chances there if FFVIII also makes it.

Yeah, I agree, though I don't think too many people here are on board with FFX > SSBM, at least not yet. Looking forward to seeing how FFX does against MGS2 soon.

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voltch | Posted 4/25/2009 7:37:38 AM | message detail
FFX will execute MGS2,it'll be ugly.
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creativename | Posted 4/25/2009 7:39:18 AM | message detail
1. Final Fantasy VII (nothing wrong with calling it the best game ever, to be honest)

Umm...


I understand what he's saying. SMB3 wouldn't be remotely near my top 20 games, but I wouldn't argue someone who called it the best ever.


this bodes either well for KHII or badly for KH,one game features squall prominantly and KH is roughly equal to soul calibur which got obliterated.

KH would obliterate Soul Calibur, that match couldn't be less relevant today.


anyone else thinks that if say MMs mask went through beating say R/B/Y by less than 100 votes because of never before seen ludicrous LFF,in a situation where OOT is stuck against VIII and MGS while being hampered,is VIII a dark horse here?

MM isn't near strong enough to cause OoT to lose to FF8 even in a 3-way. Not only is it relatively weak but obviously it couldn't find a worse opponent than OoT, we'd be approaching Link/Ganon levels of SFF here.

I'd hesitate to pick FF>OoT even in a OoT/LttP/FF8 3-way. FF8 has a ton of ground to make up on OoT.


@creativename: Are you sure that XBLA releases are meaningless? Then what could explain for Duke Nukem's sudden strength surge last contest?

Well I have no idea if that mattered for Duke or not, but I meant more for entrants with real strength. Duke was going up from being pretty low, lots of little stuff can help you out then.
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voltch | Posted 4/25/2009 7:41:47 AM | message detail
oh i don't know if it's 3 ways and MM steals about 12 thousand votes,do you really think OOT can beat FFVIII by more than 12 thousand votes?
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/25/2009 7:41:50 AM | message detail

From: LinkMarioSamus | #164
@nintendogirl1: Chrono Trigger and Super Metroid aren't THAT mainstream.


I don't think you've visited this site enough to know what you're talking about here.
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Meeks54 | Posted 4/25/2009 7:42:32 AM | message detail

From: voltch | #169
oh i don't know if it's 3 ways and MM steals about 12 thousand votes,do you really think OOT can beat FFVIII by more than 12 thousand votes?




Uh, yeah, easily.


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creativename | Posted 4/25/2009 7:44:17 AM | message detail
Yeah, I agree, though I don't think too many people here are on board with FFX > SSBM, at least not yet. Looking forward to seeing how FFX does against MGS2 soon.

That bodes well for FFX, I think the tag team of Heroic Mario+creativename has done well this contest! :) If I'm not mistaken any time we've agreed on anything that mattered we've been accurate.

I think MGS2 will do decent, but FFX will do very well.

I'd consider 40/30/15/15 close to "expected" - maybe FFX high 30's, MGS2 low 30's. I think FFX has a good shot at breaking 40% though.
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ffmasterjose | Posted 4/25/2009 7:47:32 AM | message detail
@nintendogirl1: Chrono Trigger and Super Metroid aren't THAT mainstream.

lol wut.

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NP: Final Fantasy VIII > Starcraft | http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=4
voltch | Posted 4/25/2009 7:53:02 AM | message detail
i should enter the oracle one day,maybe this summer during the next character battle.
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creativename | Posted 4/25/2009 8:00:49 AM | message detail
You can enter anytime. Kaxon and Morgoth used to give divisional and round leaderboards etc. You could also just rate yourself by your average rather than total points.

@nintendogirl1: Chrono Trigger and Super Metroid aren't THAT mainstream.

lol wut.


I don't think that guy was talking about the contest. And obviously Chrono Trigger is not a true mainstream game anywhere but this site.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/25/2009 8:23:36 AM | message detail
Dear LORD. Every time I look at the poll, this gets more insane. Seriously, a 44-28 beatdown despite Xenogears overlap? Alright, time to ask it: what does Half-Life get here in Starcraft's place? Half-Life 2?
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Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 4/25/2009 8:25:06 AM | message detail
I'd love to see FFVIII and X meet, so we can get a definitive number there. I still say VIII takes it. Would even be worth SSBM beating them both.

The most recent favorite FF poll (unfortunately, from 2k3) had VIII at 9.96% and X+X-2 at 13.49%. Taking FFVII out, VIII only needs 54% of its votes to overcome the gap, which seems perfectly reasonable.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/25/2009 8:27:03 AM | message detail
I did have VIII > X for a while. Not sure if I'd switch it now, but I'd certainly be enticed to; this is easily the second most impressive performance of the contest. Heck, you could probably put together an argument for calling it the first.
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/25/2009 8:28:47 AM | message detail
FFVIII really tore Starcraft apart overnight, and even now, Starcraft's percentage is still falling. Well, if Starcraft can get back up to 40% on FFVIII, I'm not going to abandon all hope for next round just yet, if FFIX can win tomorrow. LFF and any strength increase SC may get from it being round 2 instead of round 1 and facing elimination would only have to push it to perhaps the 47% area on FFVIII, and rallying can take it from there.

By the way, extrapolating through Soul Calibur, FFVIII is currently projected to get 62.46% on FFVII. Starcraft, even in getting mauled like this, is still projected to beat FFVII.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/25/2009 8:28:53 AM | message detail
Yeah, you actually could argue FF8 > FFX considering FF8 has more of a reason to be hurt while FFX has PS2 all to itself just about.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/25/2009 8:31:24 AM | message detail
*wakes up*

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*revises Guest writeup*

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/25/2009 8:32:39 AM | message detail
I just woke up, and... JESUS CHRIST.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 4/25/2009 8:36:34 AM | message detail
lol Starcraft
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Master Moltar | Posted 4/25/2009 8:37:50 AM | message detail
hey speaking of Guest write-ups, the board isn't really stepping up, so i'm hoping you guys can fill some of these!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=49196640
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Match 19 - Bracket: Starcraft > FF8 - Vote: SC (54/72)
PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/25/2009 8:38:39 AM | message detail
Does this diminish Starcraft's 2004 run in your eyes, or does it make it seem even more legendary? Seems pretty damn hokey to me now (even more than before, I mean).
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/25/2009 8:38:57 AM | message detail
Well, I guess Half-Life's changes are getting worse and worse. The only possible way it could win is if FFIX is closer to Tactics than FFVIII.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/25/2009 8:42:56 AM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | Posted: 4/25/2009 11:38:39 AM | #185
Does this diminish Starcraft's 2004 run in your eyes, or does it make it seem even more legendary? Seems pretty damn hokey to me now (even more than before, I mean).


It makes it more impressive than L-Block, quite frankly. L-Block rallied in a contest no one gave a crap about.
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redrocket | Posted 4/25/2009 8:44:25 AM | message detail
Uh, you guys know this is much more due to Starcraft dropping than a lack of rallying, right?

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Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 4/25/2009 8:44:32 AM | message detail
Starcraft's late night comebacks seem a bit more legitimate. Looking at these trends, its 12-3am hours really are far and away better than anything else it has, even without the end of match rallying.
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voltch | Posted 4/25/2009 8:50:07 AM | message detail
gelocation,i'm looking forward to assessing you.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 4/25/2009 8:50:33 AM | message detail
RBY a top three game eh MWC/BT/Albion Stats & Discussion continues to soar to new heights
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/25/2009 8:51:35 AM | message detail
Unfortunately, I think RBY is done now. This performance beats out its, and there is an OoT in the way anyway.

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red sox 777 | Posted 4/25/2009 8:52:07 AM | message detail
Well, it looks like the day vote has finally arrived, and Starcraft has stopped FFVIII's percentage gains. Hopefully it can make this a little more respectable over the next 12 hours so I can cling to what little hope I have left for next round.
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xp1337 | Posted 4/25/2009 8:52:20 AM | message detail
Does this diminish Starcraft's 2004 run in your eyes, or does it make it seem even more legendary?

No real change. 2k4 was just far too different for this match to change my view on it. 1v1, a lot less votes (12 hours in now, compared to 12 hours in on Halo/Starcraft is somewhere around 20,000 extra votes or so. Different start times, I know, but still, you start adding that many votes and I don't see how PC Games aren't going to get buried disproportionately.)
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/25/2009 8:55:32 AM | message detail
FFVIII has about as much chance of not advancing next round as RBY does.

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Meeks54 | Posted 4/25/2009 8:56:21 AM | message detail

From: Karma Hunter | #191
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How many games in this contest near double up any Legend of Zelda game?


OoT and ALttP obviously, but that is because of SFF in ALttP's case.

FF VII almost assuredly.

But does anyone here really think Chrono Trigger, Super Mario 3, Melee or anything else could have done that to a Legend of Zelda game?

Of course not. I said for ever that Pokemon was the strongest game left out of 2004, even though everyone here thought it was Majora's Mask or FF VIII.

Besides, since everyone here for some ungodly reason thinks MM=WW<LA, that means that Pokemon would actually be stronger than what I have it at, because no game except Ocarina of Time could double up Wind Waker.

As of right now, I don't see how anyone can argue Chrono Trigger is stronger than Pokemon RBY. And this is coming from a huge CT fanboy, Pokemon would beat it in this format.
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ffmasterjose | Posted 4/25/2009 8:56:54 AM | message detail
Alright hochi, I wanted to wait before declaring it over for Starcraft since I thought it was a bit early to just give up two hours into the poll, but yeah this one was over then. Final Beast VIII m i rite

Overlord hochi, this is what your sig will be for one week. Don't expect anything too compelling/creative:

"I may be fine and divine, but sometimes even contest know-nothings like Jose make better predictions than I...though not often"

Also, I hate to rub things in people's faces. But this deserves a mention:

UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/24/2009 3:32:22 PM | message detail
FF8 > Starcraft in Round 1 is an idiotic bet to take.


Hah-hah! </Nelson>

I won't gloat too much Ulti. After all, you were the one who led me to discover Acid Bath :D. 'tis also somewhat ironic to me because it was a post of yours made before the contest started that led me to switch to FF8 for second in R2, and ultimately reconsider this match too!

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ZFS | Posted 4/25/2009 8:58:51 AM | message detail
But does anyone here really think Chrono Trigger, Super Mario 3, Melee or anything else could have done that to a Legend of Zelda game?

A Zelda game as relatively weak as Majora's Mask? Sure, don't see why they wouldn't.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/25/2009 8:59:09 AM | message detail
Hey I called Starcraft being a flop, just one round too late =p

Scream of the Butterfly > most
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/25/2009 8:59:42 AM | message detail
I love people clinging to this notion that Majora's Mask HAS to be strong because of its name.
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