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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 690
| red sox 777 | Posted 4/24/2009 11:04:21 PM | message detail |
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Either or both. FF1 put up 44% on Mario World, so if you think FFIX
> FF1, there isn't much room for Mario Kart to beat it without being
stronger than Mario World. --- Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
| ZFS | Posted 4/24/2009 11:05:23 PM | message detail |
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I'd take MK64 over Half-Life and Chrono Cross and SF64 over Chrono
Cross. FFIX would probably beat everything not named FFVII and OoT from
both packs, though, unless it completely bombs. --- http://i44.tinypic.com/hwh4yo.gif |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/24/2009 11:09:56 PM | message detail |
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From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 4/25/2009 1:22:23 AM | #067 I'm with this. --- .,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,. Now Playing: Etrian Odyssey 2, Lunar 2, Devil May Cry 3 |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/24/2009 11:12:36 PM | message detail |
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I think 50% would be a damn impressive result from OoT. It's going up
against a main-series Final Fantasy game with hardcore fans and a PC
game with hardcore fans. Of the "elite" games we've seen in action so
far, Ocarina's opponents are definitely the toughest. --- I, like clockwork, have been humiliated by hochiminh Hochiminh is better than me. I was a numbskull for thinking I could defy Him. |
| masseffect90 | Posted 4/24/2009 11:13:26 PM | message detail |
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[i]redrocket Posted 4/24/2009 10:41:50 PM message detail Hochi, your grammar is as bad as your predicting skills. I'm pretty sure you've never "decimated" anyone here, unless you literally selected people here by lot, and killed every tenth one. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/decimate dec⋅i⋅mate 1. to destroy a great number or proportion of: The population was decimated by a plague. 2. to select by lot and kill every tenth person of. 3. Obsolete. to take a tenth of or from.[/i] From your own source: Usage note: The earliest English sense of decimate is “to select by lot and execute every tenth soldier of (a unit).” The extended sense “destroy a great number or proportion of” developed in the 19th century: Cholera decimated the urban population. Because the etymological sense of one-tenth remains to some extent, decimate is not ordinarily used with exact fractions or percentages: Drought has destroyed (not decimated) nearly 80 percent of the cattle. |
| ffmasterjose | Posted 4/24/2009 11:25:08 PM | message detail |
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Eh, I'm still thinking hochi. No rush. --- 56/72 points - The Best. Game. Ever 2009 Contest NP: Final Fantasy VIII > Starcraft | http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=4 |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/24/2009 11:45:26 PM | message detail |
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I don't know anything about the two games, but Xenogears should be stronger than Chrono Cross, right? --- I, like clockwork, have been humiliated by hochiminh Hochiminh is better than me. I was a numbskull for thinking I could defy Him. |
| ZFS | Posted 4/24/2009 11:48:37 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, I'd say so. I'd take Xenogears over Chrono Cross in a match. --- http://i44.tinypic.com/hwh4yo.gif |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/25/2009 12:02:11 AM | message detail |
| The only thing we really have to look to is The
List, and the two games are separated by only 11 spots. Coincidentally,
Chrono Cross is right behind FFIX. --- I, like clockwork, have been humiliated by hochiminh Hochiminh is better than me. I was a numbskull for thinking I could defy Him. |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/25/2009 12:03:30 AM | message detail |
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From: PartOfYourWorld | Posted: 4/25/2009 2:45:26 AM | #107 I doubt it. Two weak games, but one has "Chrono" in the title. --- .,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,. Now Playing: Etrian Odyssey 2, Lunar 2, Devil May Cry 3 |
| transience | Posted 4/25/2009 12:06:36 AM | message detail |
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what Ulti said. --- xyzzy http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7033/trannyanalysis.png |
| ffmasterjose | Posted 4/25/2009 12:06:59 AM | message detail |
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2000 vote barrier activated --- 56/72 points - The Best. Game. Ever 2009 Contest NP: Final Fantasy VIII > Starcraft | http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=4 |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/25/2009 12:09:59 AM | message detail |
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Hmm... well I figured Xenogears would be stronger because that one at
least gets mentioned from time to time. If CC is actually stronger,
then my faith in Half-Life has once again been brashly emboldened! --- I, like clockwork, have been humiliated by hochiminh Hochiminh is better than me. I was a numbskull for thinking I could defy Him. |
| Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 4/25/2009 12:14:14 AM | message detail |
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CC was pretty huge when it was released. Hasn't aged all that well
though, and it gets a lot of hate around here with all the CT fanatics
who would rather have a true sequel. I don't think it can beat FFIX tomorrow, but I wouldn't be surprised if it competed. That's the biggest difference from today, CC will be far closer than Xenogears is. --- FastFalcon and Solid Snake snapped my neck in the guru contest. |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/25/2009 12:15:03 AM | message detail |
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Well... hmm! --- I, like clockwork, have been humiliated by hochiminh Hochiminh is better than me. I was a numbskull for thinking I could defy Him. |
| ffmasterjose | Posted 4/25/2009 12:22:18 AM | message detail |
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Chrono Cross itself not being included in the last games contest also
adds to the whole unpredictability of how it will do. But I still think
it takes dead last tomorrow without much effort, entirely out of gut
feeling. I wish I had some cool stats to back that up though :( --- 56/72 points - The Best. Game. Ever 2009 Contest NP: Final Fantasy VIII > Starcraft | http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=4 |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/25/2009 12:24:36 AM | message detail |
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I figured it would take last, but I also figured FFIX had the ability
to triple it or something (kind of like what FFVIII is doing to
Xenogears now). If Chrono Cross is indeed stronger than Xenogears, then
I don't have to worry about that happening. --- I, like clockwork, have been humiliated by hochiminh Hochiminh is better than me. I was a numbskull for thinking I could defy Him. |
| ZFS | Posted 4/25/2009 12:39:12 AM | message detail |
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I really doubt Chrono Cross is any stronger than Xenogears. The
'Chrono' name doesn't mean much here, not when it's a sequel that's as
shunned CC. It also won't hold up nearly as well as 'gears would,
unless FFIX is just weak. It definitely won't be competing for a high
percentage in tomorrow's match. --- http://i44.tinypic.com/hwh4yo.gif |
| voltch | Posted 4/25/2009 12:57:09 AM | message detail |
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hmmm,knew i shouldn't have changed my FFVIII>Starcraft pick,always
had a funny feeling,but now it's damage control time,GO FFIX! --- Pearl FC:2450 0974 5734 *shakes fist* |
| voltch | Posted 4/25/2009 1:06:53 AM | message detail |
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oh,btw what the hell does tomorrow's match pic look like? a vivi/zidane combo's bound to do some wonders. --- Pearl FC:2450 0974 5734 *shakes fist* |
| transience | Posted 4/25/2009 1:13:32 AM | message detail |
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in a one-on-one match featuring "Chrono" vs. "Xenogears", Chrono wins
every time. it's also not as hated as this board would have you think. CC should do alright for itself. I'd say it's about comparable to Xenogears, but it won't look as good since there's an OOT in the way. --- xyzzy http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7033/trannyanalysis.png |
| ZFS | Posted 4/25/2009 1:18:06 AM | message detail |
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Don't agree with that. Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross are two
different beasts -- I wouldn't look at the name and end it there.
People disliking CC isn't only a board thing either, just like the hate
surrounding FFXII isn't a board-only thing. At best, I could see the
two being about equal, but CC isn't gonna be stronger than Xenogears.
I'd bet on that one. --- http://i44.tinypic.com/hwh4yo.gif |
| transience | Posted 4/25/2009 1:20:25 AM | message detail |
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Chrono Cross sold more, is better known and has a brand name that
people relate to. Xenogears's advantage is its ridiculously loyal
fanbase. CC's actually got a solid fanbase behind it too, but there's
also a lot of people that throw crap at it. kinda like FF8, really. --- xyzzy http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7033/trannyanalysis.png |
| ZFS | Posted 4/25/2009 1:28:14 AM | message detail |
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'Chrono' isn't much of a brand name, it's not something most people are
going to be 'loyal' to -- it couldn't even get into the series contest.
It's all about Chrono Trigger there. Don't think the sales argument is
worth much either, we're comparing something like 300k to 600k. A
definite difference, but nothing enormous, at least when it comes to a
match on GameFAQs. I expect most people would go CT > Xenogears > CC, but we'll see what happens tomorrow. Don't think we're gonna see it hold up as well as Xenogears is today. --- http://i44.tinypic.com/hwh4yo.gif |
| Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 4/25/2009 2:12:56 AM | message detail |
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Pretty crazy night shift here. 29 straight percentage increases for FFVIII. Was Starcraft not popular in Europe or something? --- FastFalcon and Solid Snake snapped my neck in the guru contest. |
| Smurf Alt | Posted 4/25/2009 2:15:37 AM | message detail |
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Starcraft is pretty unknown in Europe. FF8 is a very big deal here! --- (\__/) Meet Ziggy,the Evil Bunny who wants to take over the world and eat the flesh of the weak. (='.'=] Put Ziggy in your sig to support his cause. |
| voltch | Posted 4/25/2009 3:07:05 AM | message detail |
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looks like we're gonna have to change the FF power rankings again. VII>VIII>X>VI now who's after FFVI? claims that VIII was the strongest game missing from the last contest,were correct,we should have known,Squall's a beast,looks like character=game in strength for ertain cases afterall. --- Pearl FC:2450 0974 5734 *shakes fist* |
| Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 4/25/2009 3:14:52 AM | message detail |
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Soul Calibur and Xenogears are fairly close to cutting Starcraft here. Never would've imagined that happening. --- FastFalcon and Solid Snake snapped my neck in the guru contest. |
| 80Starfire08 | Posted 4/25/2009 3:16:29 AM | message detail |
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IX after VI...i would guess. --- Dance with me, in the STARFIYAHHHHH! Current Contest Leaderboard Position: 40th |
| paulg235 | Posted 4/25/2009 3:17:51 AM | message detail |
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Wow, I thought even if FF8 came first, I didn't expect the game to be
killing StarCraft. Either StarCraft has fallen off the radar in recent
years, the four-ways aren't kind to it, or StarCraft overperformed
simply because it was up against Halo (The same Halo which lost to
Castlevania and Sub-Zero) and because of its bandwagon factor from
defeating a 1 seed after that. --- The Gamer In Me http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=158 |
| voltch | Posted 4/25/2009 3:20:22 AM | message detail |
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Starcraft is probably still very strong,it's just that we expected VIII
to be the majora's mask of the FFs and then it turns out to be it's
LttP. I still can't believe a series that had the strength of VII/X/VIII/VI could lose to zelda in the series contest,another is needed imo to set the record straight. --- Pearl FC:2450 0974 5734 *shakes fist* |
| espio4000 | Posted 4/25/2009 3:56:59 AM | message detail |
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Wow. My bracket randomly has FF8 > Starcraft and I didn't even realize it. Next match OoT > FFIX Next Round OoT > Stacraft due to SFF. That sound right? --- Go Georgia Tech! Congrats to FastFalcon for being the 2008 Guru Winner |
| Smurf Alt | Posted 4/25/2009 4:05:30 AM | message detail |
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nah FF8 is burying Starcraft with Xenogears holding it back, FF9 will
hurt it more sure but not enough. The only benefit Starcraft will get
out of it is enough SFF for it to pass out FF9. --- (\__/) Meet Ziggy,the Evil Bunny who wants to take over the world and eat the flesh of the weak. (='.'=] Put Ziggy in your sig to support his cause. |
| Denzokuken | Posted 4/25/2009 4:06:03 AM | message detail |
| That's what I've got Espio but FF8 is so strong I'm not sure that Starcraft can make up the difference next round even if FF9 gets through. |
| Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 4/25/2009 4:53:03 AM | message detail |
| Lead 1 is about to pass up Lead 2. Went from 2100
behind down to 270 now. Starcraft will be closer to Soul Calibur than
FFVIII if the weekend morning vote doesn't change things soon. --- FastFalcon and Solid Snake snapped my neck in the guru contest. |
| voltch | Posted 4/25/2009 6:36:30 AM | message detail |
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looking at the board,wow,now usually people moan about their favourite games getting buried. Here the whining is just on VIII it's worse than with VII. --- Pearl FC:2450 0974 5734 *shakes fist* |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/25/2009 6:39:13 AM | message detail |
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Looks like Starcraft betters are sunk here. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: SC > FF8 - Points: 51/72 Vote: FF8 |
| creativename | Posted 4/25/2009 6:40:06 AM | message detail |
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Hmm, I don't get why some people always have to act like they were
always right even when they were doubting FF8 like crazy for today's
match. Your expectations were incorrect, just deal with it. Nobody's
going to spit on your grave because of it :) Also good to see that FF8 will easily beat Starcraft next round even if FF9 is there. RPGuy Probable division final: RBY/MGS/Ocarina/FFVIII. I think all three games have a shot at that, especially if MGS/FF do bother each other and RBY/Ocarina overlap isn't that bad. No way RBY is strong enough to beat FF8 without some crazy SFF hijinks. People are going overboard on RBY if they think that. FF8 is a legit near-top tier game, RBY is probably not. MarioSuperstar They both seem to have hardcore fanbases to me, personally. I really wish people would just stop with this "hardcore fanbase" stuff. I don't know how this is even discussed - it's so primitive in terms of contest analysis, we should've evolved beyond this long ago. Not only has this never materialized at all, but people's track record at trying to predict which games might actually have hardcore fanbases is beyond horrendous and wildly inconsistent. Just look at this debate - "FF9 has the more hardcore fanbase, no Half-Life does". Come on now! Fanbase Independence matters (something like SMW can disproportionately hurt something like Sonic, because they have much higher overlap than with e.g. SF2), but not "hardcoreness". --- Save_Us.RAT BREAK THE BLOCK DOWN |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/25/2009 6:43:53 AM | message detail |
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Well, maybe not 'hardcorefanbases', but a fanbase that has a higher
chance of sticking with HL. We've observed that with Gordon for a long
while now. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: SC > FF8 - Points: 51/72 Vote: FF8 |
| ZFS | Posted 4/25/2009 6:45:17 AM | message detail |
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Man, FFVIII really killed this poll overnight. I'm feelin' really good
about FFVIII in the division final regardless of what happens tomorrow. --- http://i44.tinypic.com/hwh4yo.gif |
| jonthomson | Posted 4/25/2009 6:53:37 AM | message detail |
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i am somewhat worried about my bracket right now. even counting for a
second korean rush sc's probably only getting 35k tops which won't be
enough next round barring some weird ff8 on ff9 violence --- Jon Thomson - 1:10 pure 1:43 100% - HKP: 179 Super Metroid's Path To Glory: R2 vs. Super Mario Kart, A Link to the Past, Donkey Kong Country |
| jonthomson | Posted 4/25/2009 6:54:24 AM | message detail |
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Starcraft is pretty unknown in Europe. FF8 is a very big deal here! wat --- Jon Thomson - 1:10 pure 1:43 100% - HKP: 179 Super Metroid's Path To Glory: R2 vs. Super Mario Kart, A Link to the Past, Donkey Kong Country |
| voltch | Posted 4/25/2009 6:59:11 AM | message detail |
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it's true,europe only cares about historical RTSs. --- Pearl FC:2450 0974 5734 *shakes fist* |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/25/2009 7:05:45 AM | message detail |
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Dear lord. --- I, like clockwork, have been humiliated by hochiminh Hochiminh is better than me. I was a numbskull for thinking I could defy Him. |
| creativename | Posted 4/25/2009 7:06:02 AM | message detail |
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I don't think FF8 is guaranteed to escape this division, MGS could beat it. That's very much up in the air. Sucks for FFX though if FF8 cripples it against SSBM. FFX would be stronger, but it would kill FF8. RPGuy Oh, and hey, we have another example of LFF not mattering. In fact, even with FFVIII beating up StarCraft, Xenogears is fighting with Soul Calibur. You're jumping the gun on this. SFF mattered quite a bit in the early generation games, and we've not seen a serious LFF situation yet. If people think LFF doesn't matter, they're in for a rude awakening when two games with serious power and major overlap compete together against another game with serious but independent power. There's only so much you can base off the performances of weak games. (though again, this doesn't matter for FF8/FF9 next round, Starcraft doesn't have enough strength to compete regardless) therealmnm Wait... so this result is surprising in this topic? I think you have to be surprised at the utter decimation, but FF8 was being underrated by most. HM Part of Vivi's strength comes from his appeal and design. Black Mages are about as Final Fantasy as Chocobos and Moogles. Except Black Mages are badass and would decimate Chocobos and Moogles in a poll. voltch a vivi/zidane combo's bound to do some wonders. A Vivi/Zidane combo would do worse than just Vivi, because Zidane sucks. --- Save_Us.RAT BREAK THE BLOCK DOWN |
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/25/2009 7:06:06 AM | message detail |
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I'm assuming little to no rallying is going on for Starcraft. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls BGE2 - Today's Match: Starcraft > FFVIII Points: 53/72 |
| Tequilla Gundam | Posted 4/25/2009 7:10:15 AM | message detail |
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Isn't the percentage FF8 is putting on StarCraft akin to what OOT would do? Just saying. --- Feel my truth. |
| Meeks54 | Posted 4/25/2009 7:10:49 AM | message detail |
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From: creativename | #138 BS. RBY may be a top 3 game, it mauled a Zelda game, do you think VIII would be doing this to any Zelda game, hell no. FF VIII is of course a top 10 game, it was always obvious it was going to be, but it was obvious RBY was going to be too. What was not seen from a mile away was RBY putting up numbers that overshadowed FF VII's, let alone VIII's. In the OoT, FF VIII, MGS, RBY match, unless OoT crushes Pokemon as well, which seems to be more independent for Nintendo, than VIII has no chance. --- Gunner is, what is the word... passionate. but i think that MichaelWClark dude is far crazier than anything Gunner has posted. Posted by Mark Milton |
| LinkMarioSamus | Posted 4/25/2009 7:11:45 AM | message detail |
| It's also odd that PC games have been doing poorly
in this contest despite PC characters doing extremely well (compared to
their former selves, especially with Duke Nukem and Gordon Freeman)
last contest. Maybe PC games that have a recent release related to them
do well, while they are otherwise suffering. Hold on, that doesn't make
sense; DOOM was released on Xbox Live Arcade just like three years ago
or something. And I now just lost every bit of faith I had in Diablo II. Gargh. And franchise voting has been confirmed. The only two games it has worked against so far are Majora's Mask and Final Fantasy Tactics, both of which are very different from what their respective franchise usually offers. |
| creativename | Posted 4/25/2009 7:12:58 AM | message detail |
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Woah I just used the word decimate twice without even intending to. More proof of how much hochi decimates the nonbelievers. Well, maybe not 'hardcorefanbases', but a fanbase that has a higher chance of sticking with HL. We've observed that with Gordon for a long while now. If by that you mean independence (lack of overlap), then yes. But "loyalty" is not a factor in any other sense. Against stronger competition, a game will get beat, regardless of whether the fanbase is "hardcore" (something people rarely consistently agree on to begin with) - unless the stronger game is held back by disproportionate overlap. A weaker game will not advance over a stronger game just because some monster game has dropped the percentages lower. It needs the monster game to have that disproportionate overlap. --- Save_Us.RAT BREAK THE BLOCK DOWN |
