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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 689

M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/24/2009 8:14:16 PM | message detail
Come on SC and RBY advancing in R3!

I don't care what the order is, as long as both advance.
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ZFS | Posted 4/24/2009 8:25:00 PM | message detail
Let's do this FFVIII

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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/24/2009 8:28:52 PM | message detail
Is it wrong that I keep hoping that Final Fantasy VIII gets diagnosed with cancer?
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/24/2009 8:30:17 PM | message detail
Round 1 - Division 5: Match 3

Final Fantasy VIII


Another huge snub from the first contest, can it impress here?

Soul Calibur

lol crappy fighters

Starcraft

Best PC game ever

Xenogears

lol turbofodder

Analysis:

First of all, Xenogears and Soul Calibur is an interesting little side match to see who gets last here. I think it should be pretty close.

That said, the key match for this cluster**** of a division is right here. Whichever game advances here gets a free pass to the division finals, and a likely pass to round 4 if they don't completely suck.

Now a lot of people are taking Starcraft's 2004 run at face value and saying that it will easily go deep because it is a top 10 game. I highly doubt that it is nearly as strong as 2004 makes it out to be, and increased votals probably aren't going to help. But then again, the people that supported it in 2004 will likely support it over other games here as well, which is helped somewhat by the fact that the other people will be splitting between 3 other games.

Other people are saying Starcraft takes second here and gets knocked out next round because 2004 stats are completely inflated. I have disagree with this line of thinking, because Starcraft doesn't need to be strong at all to get to round 4, barring a surprisingly strong FF8.

Final Fantasy 8, like Majora's Mask has a huge range it can fall in. Final Fantasy 8, like Majora's Mask is the next kickass member of each game's series following the most popular games (FF7 and OoT of course). Both are awesome games, but both for some reason don't seem to get as much support from the series fans. And we saw just how badly Majora's Mask did. The one thing FF8 has that MM didn't is the fact that all of the new people that FF7 brought into the series played and enjoyed 8 while Zelda was already mainstream enough.

The other interesting part is how close these 2 games are to eachother, because the results from tomorrow can potentially reverse the resutlts in round 2. If Starcraft takes first by a small margin, and Half-Life advances instead of FF9 tomorrow, Starcraft is likely screwed, and vice-versa.

The reason I took Starcraft here is simply because of Xenogears. I'd peg Starcraft and FF8 to be close to eachother strength-wise, which means SFF is a key factor in this half of division 5.

TuRtLe's Prediction: Starcraft 35%, FF8 30%, Soul Calibur 19%, Xenogears 16%
TuRtLe's Bracket: Starcraft > FF8
TuRtLe's Vote: Tough one, but I can't vote against the game that singlehandedly ruined my social life for the first 2 years of highschool.
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eaglesarebeasts | Posted 4/24/2009 8:35:55 PM | message detail
Can't wait to see Soul Calibur amaze everyone and advance tomorrow.
transience | Posted 4/24/2009 8:36:52 PM | message detail
I want to say Soul Cal will do well because these other two aren't that strong, but SF2 and MK2, not to mention every poll over the last few years, make me think otherwise.
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ZFS | Posted 4/24/2009 8:38:07 PM | message detail
I don't think Soulcalibur's gonna be able to still hang on to what strength it had in the past five years. Remember, it actually didn't get the nominations to get in -- that was all our doing. Calibur as a series has kinda disappeared lately.

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eaglesarebeasts | Posted 4/24/2009 8:39:27 PM | message detail
But it's the ONLY game for the Dreamcast in this tournament. It needs to win.
charmander6000 | Posted 4/24/2009 8:39:48 PM | message detail
You know considering that the ASV ended a while ago Pokemon is still going 50/50 with MGS.
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ZFS | Posted 4/24/2009 8:40:32 PM | message detail
Dreamcast no thanks !

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transience | Posted 4/24/2009 8:40:33 PM | message detail
one Dreamcast game too many
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/24/2009 8:40:46 PM | message detail
But it's the ONLY game for the Dreamcast in this tournament. It needs to win.

Panzer Dragoon Saga was the only Saturn game and that didn't stop it from getting replaced by Deus Ex.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/24/2009 8:41:22 PM | message detail
We thought SC's 30% on Metal Gear in the Series Contest was impressive, but then it got easily topped by Fire Emblem. Yeah, I don't think Soul Calibur is the same game that nearly beat Kingdom Hearts in 2004.
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transience | Posted 4/24/2009 8:44:30 PM | message detail
I think that match was more about KH sucking than Soul Calibur doing anything impressive.. and then I think Starcraft's "true strength" is the KH match - 45% on Soul Calibur.
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Master Moltar | Posted 4/24/2009 8:46:05 PM | message detail

From: ZFS | #310
Dreamcast no thanks !


From: transience | #311
one Dreamcast game too many


bad taste zone
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Match 19 - Bracket: Starcraft > FF8 - Vote: SC (54/72)
KamikazePotato | Posted 4/24/2009 8:46:23 PM | message detail
I would probably take KH>SC to the tune of 60-40 these days.

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charmander6000 | Posted 4/24/2009 8:47:02 PM | message detail
I wouldn't be surprised if Vice City > Metroid Prime happened.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/24/2009 8:47:49 PM | message detail
I would, very much so. Nintendo has increased since 2k4. GTA has gone in the opposite direction.

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transience | Posted 4/24/2009 8:49:31 PM | message detail
yeah, KH has increased bigtime. remember, Sora got doubled by Aeris in 2003.

bad taste zone

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red sox 777 | Posted 4/24/2009 8:51:13 PM | message detail
I wouldn't be surprised either. Metroid Prime has Paper Mario dragging it down, and it's probably weaker than it was in 2004- the GC was big at that time as the current Nintendo console, and it feels like its been sort of left by the wayside in the past few years. In 2004, VC was stronger: 46% on SSBM is something beyond MP's ability. The biggest thing that helps VC here is Paper Mario.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/24/2009 8:52:36 PM | message detail
Considering how little LFF has mattered so far, I'm not buying PM dragging MP down. PM is an N64 RPG, MP is a GC FPS Adventure thing.

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ZFS | Posted 4/24/2009 8:53:43 PM | message detail
Kingdom Hearts is something I'm wanting to see. I think KH2 might be able to give RE4 a run for its money in their match, and I've already got KH > MP in round 1, but I'm not sure what the consensus is there. Kingdom Hearts is probably one of the bigger boosts we'll have seen over the past five years, I think.

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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/24/2009 8:53:50 PM | message detail
And we replaced SSB with it.

Yeah, that was a brilliant move.
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Lopen | Posted 4/24/2009 8:54:25 PM | message detail
Who's ready for some KOREAN RUSH KEKEKE
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/24/2009 8:54:45 PM | message detail
And we replaced SSB with it.

Yeah, that was a brilliant move.


That was seriously the dumbest **** ever
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ZFS | Posted 4/24/2009 8:54:50 PM | message detail
time for some gunblade to starcraft's face

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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/24/2009 8:54:53 PM | message detail
KH2 shoudn't come close to RE4, I think. It just isn't as universally loved among the fanbase as the first.

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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/24/2009 8:54:58 PM | message detail
I don't see KH boosting since 2003 was probably its prime, but it doesn't need to boost to beat MP.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/24/2009 8:55:57 PM | message detail
I'm going into this match semi-conscious!

This should be fun to do while semi-drunk and half-asleep!
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ZFS | Posted 4/24/2009 8:56:07 PM | message detail
Although FFVIII's board vote is going to be horrendous, maybe like third place bad, but we'll see how long it lasts.

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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/24/2009 8:56:30 PM | message detail
Four more minutes until I'll probably want to gag myself.
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/24/2009 8:56:46 PM | message detail
Starcraft will have a pretty great board vote I imagine
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/24/2009 8:57:01 PM | message detail
I don't see KH boosting since 2003 was probably its prime,

Um, in 2k3 Sora was doubled by Aeris. In 2k8 Sora nearly beat Squall twice.

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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/24/2009 8:58:19 PM | message detail
How the **** did Sora almost beat Squall.

Must be a resurgence of the kiddy factor or some ****. Explains why Pokemon's so ****ing strong.
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/24/2009 8:58:36 PM | message detail
Yeah, I'd imagine Kingdom Hearts now blows away Kingdom Hearts 2004. As for GTA, after seeing Pokemon and Mario Kart, I no longer think the series contest match is very relevant. GTA strikes me as another case where the games are stronger than the series (relative to the competition).
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Mr3790 | Posted 4/24/2009 8:58:42 PM | message detail
Voting SC here.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/24/2009 8:58:56 PM | message detail
Yes. Must be the kiddies.

*votes for Sora and RBY*

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/24/2009 8:58:57 PM | message detail

From: Master Moltar | #315
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bad taste zone


I don't know, when the defining attribute of a system is how easily you can pirate the multitude of crappy games on it, you probably don't have a very good system.

MvC2 and Ikaruga are the only good DC games I can think of off the top of my head, and neither were exclusives.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/24/2009 8:59:11 PM | message detail
So what's the expectations for Asia voters? Both are fans of Starcraft and FFVIII.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/24/2009 8:59:58 PM | message detail

From: BlAcK TuRtLe | #338
I don't know, when the defining attribute of a system is how easily you can pirate the multitude of crappy games on it, you probably don't have a very good system.

MvC2 and Ikaruga are the only good DC games I can think of off the top of my head, and neither were exclusives.


Sweet, I'm not the only one who thinks the Dreamcast is overrated.

It's not even King of Homebrew anymore!
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Majin Lou | Posted 4/24/2009 9:00:20 PM | message detail
Final Fantasy VIII 33.33%

4
SoulCalibur 8.33%

1
Starcraft 41.67%

5
Xenogears 16.67%

2
TOTAL VOTES 12
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Just Some Person | Posted 4/24/2009 9:00:22 PM | message detail
Final Fantasy VIII 32.84% 22
SoulCalibur 19.4% 13
Starcraft 32.84% 22
Xenogears 14.93% 10

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Mr3790 | Posted 4/24/2009 9:00:26 PM | message detail
Final Fantasy VIII 26.67% 4
SoulCalibur 6.67% 1
Starcraft 46.67% 7
Xenogears 20% 3
TOTAL VOTES 15

Cool!
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transience | Posted 4/24/2009 9:00:27 PM | message detail
FF8!
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/24/2009 9:00:30 PM | message detail
Final Fantasy VIII 32.1%

26
SoulCalibur 19.75%

16
Starcraft 34.57%

28
Xenogears 13.58%

11
TOTAL VOTES 81

Is he starting the poll earlier or something
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/24/2009 9:00:34 PM | message detail
Yeah, this is over.

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Master Moltar | Posted 4/24/2009 9:00:35 PM | message detail
geez ff8
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Match 19 - Bracket: Starcraft > FF8 - Vote: SC (54/72)
GrapefruitKing | Posted 4/24/2009 9:00:37 PM | message detail
uh oh
where are the mass carriers
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Today's prediction: Starcrap 35.20% - Orphanage 33.55% - Soul Calibur 17.57% - Xenogris 13.68%
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RPGuy96 | Posted 4/24/2009 9:00:42 PM | message detail
Hello there FFVIII.

This is gonna get ugly.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/24/2009 9:00:43 PM | message detail
JESUS CHRIST

WHY DID I STAY UP FOR THIS
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