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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 689

trannyscience | Posted 4/24/2009 2:52:40 PM | message detail
Is there any reason to leave Halo out of the top 10 discussion? If the four-way setup can make Master Chief formidable, I don't see why it can't turn a reasonably strong title into a beast.

2008 happened. if this contest happened in 2008 we'd be talking up Halo.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/24/2009 2:53:23 PM | message detail
Is there any reason to leave Halo out of the top 10 discussion? If the four-way setup can make Master Chief formidable, I don't see why it can't turn a reasonably strong title into a beast.

Master Chief only impressed in the first four way contest, when Halo 3 was new. It failed to live up to expectations in the second contest.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/24/2009 2:58:04 PM | message detail
Why do people tier Melee with the other super six? It was a couple of percent below SMB3 and FFVI and if anything Melee was bandwagoned when it lost to FFVII. Of course Melee has gone up since 2004 and can probably go toe for toe with the others.

As for top 10...

Final Fantasy VII
LoZ: Ocarina of Time
LoZ: A Link to the Past
Chrono Trigger
Super Mario Bros. 3
Final Fantasy VI
Super Smash Bros. Melee
Final Fantasy X

Then we have Metal Gear Solid, Pokemon RBY, The Legend of Zelda, Super Mario 64, Super Mario World, Starcraft, Diablo II, World of Warcraft, and Resident Evil 4 fighting for the last two spots. We should really wait for the rest of the round to pass.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: MGS > FFT Points: 51/68
H__RR____H | Posted 4/24/2009 3:05:24 PM | message detail
I'm going to update the MGS/GE/SM64-comparisons from the other day and couple in all of their opponents from this contest. Here are the matches I'm using:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1620
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1643
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3458
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3460
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3463 (as of 6:00 PM)
(I'm NOT using MGS/FFT from 2004)

MGS - 50.00%
SM64 - 47.1%
Pokemon G/S - 45.5%
GE - 38.76%
FFT - 37.68%
SMRPG - 36.33%
C:SotN - 31.57%
RE2 - 30.29%
RE - 29.38%
KSS - 18.44%
Deus Ex - 17.24%
DKC2 - 15.84%

This isn't intended to be fully accurate, considering I've pointed out many of its flaws before and surely more are hidden...but here's a rough sketch from the numbers we have. Discuss.
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BT about Round Two: If Snake gets 43-45%, I'll close my account right now.
www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3285
WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 4/24/2009 3:06:54 PM | message detail
Those numbers make me realize just how badly KSS and DKC2 got wrecked in their matches.
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BeTheMan | Posted 4/24/2009 3:07:46 PM | message detail
I think it's pretty fair to expect Halo to be stronger than MC, though. Weirdness from StarCraft be damned, there's no reason to think that it was considerably weaker than the top titles from its division in '04. The Chief has never shown that kind of strength in his one-on-one matchups.
charmander6000 | Posted 4/24/2009 3:07:55 PM | message detail
...and by adding Perfect Dark Pokemon RBY easily doubles MGS

>_>
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BGE2 - Today's Match: MGS > FFT Points: 51/68
XxSoulxX | Posted 4/24/2009 3:08:56 PM | message detail
The Chief has never shown that kind of strength in his one-on-one matchups.

No game was hyped up more then Halo 3 either.

Last year proved this.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/24/2009 3:11:28 PM | message detail
I think it's pretty fair to expect Halo to be stronger than MC, though. Weirdness from StarCraft be damned, there's no reason to think that it was considerably weaker than the top titles from its division in '04. The Chief has never shown that kind of strength in his one-on-one matchups.

Games from the 128-bit division I would've taken over Halo in 2004 after the contest was over.

SSBM
FFX
LoZ: WW
Starcraft

Maybe GTA: Vice City
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BGE2 - Today's Match: MGS > FFT Points: 51/68
H__RR____H | Posted 4/24/2009 3:13:52 PM | message detail
Why do people tier Melee with the other super six? It was a couple of percent below SMB3 and FFVI and if anything Melee was bandwagoned when it lost to FFVII. Of course Melee has gone up since 2004 and can probably go toe for toe with the others.

Between the Nintendo Boost we saw afterward, the massive hype for SSBB, seeing SSB doing as well as it did against SMB3 (though SSBB-hype played a part in that), being essentially a launch game that was very well-received, landing #6 on the Top 100 List, and winning that crazy 128-Division, I think SSBM's earned a spot with the rest of those games as among the best here. I see your concern, but I like SSBM's chances too much.
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BT about Round Two: If Snake gets 43-45%, I'll close my account right now.
www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3285
H__RR____H | Posted 4/24/2009 3:17:45 PM | message detail
...and by adding Perfect Dark Pokemon RBY easily doubles MGS

True, so again -- the numbers aren't all that accurate due to how the poll information jumps around...but MGS will have to hope that those numbers are REALLY inaccurate and/or G/S hurts R/B/Y a lot.
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BT about Round Two: If Snake gets 43-45%, I'll close my account right now.
www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3285
charmander6000 | Posted 4/24/2009 3:17:47 PM | message detail
Well I'd be surprised if SSBM missed the top 10, I just don't think it deserves the title, especially when we haven't seen it perform yet.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: MGS > FFT Points: 51/68
KamikazePotato | Posted 4/24/2009 3:19:56 PM | message detail
I can't wait until we get to that match and MM is somewhat close to MGS

Surprise Top 5 game in RBY book it

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charmander6000 | Posted 4/24/2009 3:20:39 PM | message detail
So who here is liking all these cuts from Pokemon?
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BGE2 - Today's Match: MGS > FFT Points: 51/68
seerNautilus | Posted 4/24/2009 3:20:40 PM | message detail
I hardly ever visit these forums but seriously how the heck is it possible that deus ex, one of the deepest and most excellently balanced both in terms of storyline and gameplay.. has such a low score. Oh wait i know.. this site is being spambotted by 4chan asshat nolifes and ignorant children who have only heard of metlah geah furr for the ps3. Therefore vote metal gear cause honestly now.. metal gear 1 was utter boredom. It was way to short, corny and way to easy. Deus ex on the other hand had you thinking and even had a decent customization feature for its age.

Final fantasy tactics is laughable aswell but the biggest insult is that bunch of boring milktruck of a series pokemon, how can anyone find the pokemon games good for the love of ..man.. Its the same thing over and over and over again, for every battle for every game. The only thing that changed in the games are the drawings and the name of the titpuppets you catch. And the color of the games casing. WOOHOO its almost like voting for obama wooooo!! chaaange!! we got chaaange! RED TO BLUE OH WOW NOW ITS CRYSTAL OOOH ITS POKEMOEN CHRYSTOOOALLLL!!!!

mfffff!!

No im not getting angry over a stupid poll, i am getting dissapointed in the gamer community for not knowing their best games. The way i see this poll is not a matter of opinion but a test. The poll shouldnt be 'what is the best game' but 'what do you know about what the best game is' :l
Instead, it just circles around the hype like usual. A few big names of games that werent good to begin with but have been thrown at your memory section (of your brain yes) for over a indescribable amount of times so you would buy the game in the first place and now can vote on it like a good little slave of commerce. Good job hanky panky shanky flanky icebear cranky owly kitty monkey pumpkinbeetle.

Oh and while im posting anyway... why the heck was suikoden 1 in the polls but not suikoden 2??? If there is any game worthy of the best game ever title suikoden 2 definately deserves.

Anyway, have a nice day im not here to 'converse' about meaningless things i just had to state my thoughts on the appropriate location wich is here. (or else my thoughts would materialise into folklore and force the oblivion upon us all)

And dont make me into some internet hero, im not your hero im just a guy.
WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 4/24/2009 3:22:07 PM | message detail
tl;dr

Because Deus Ex has like a 15% playrate on GameFAQS.
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Tohoya | Posted 4/24/2009 3:22:55 PM | message detail
What in the world is sore thumbs factor?
BeTheMan | Posted 4/24/2009 3:23:19 PM | message detail
No game was hyped up more then Halo 3 either.

Last year proved this.


To be fair, it's not like the characters that MC failed to impress against didn't have major new titles of their own supporting them. That's not to say that I'd put DMC4 on par with Halo 3 in terms of impact, but MC's opponents had just as much reason as he did to stay relevant, or to become more so than they were previously.

Games from the 128-bit division I would've taken over Halo in 2004 after the contest was over.

SSBM
FFX
LoZ: WW
Starcraft

Maybe GTA: Vice City


Heads up? Sure, I wouldn't argue against the first four. But in this format, the gap between them and Halo should by no means be considered insurmountable.
charmander6000 | Posted 4/24/2009 3:24:57 PM | message detail
This site hates PC games besides anything made from Blizzard and Valve, kind of sad, but that's the breaks.

Oh and while im posting anyway... why the heck was suikoden 1 in the polls but not suikoden 2??? If there is any game worthy of the best game ever title suikoden 2 definately deserves.

Each division designates three years of gaming (except the first), so the top 16 games of each "generation" makes it. Division 4 was easier to get stuff in than division 5.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: MGS > FFT Points: 51/68
H__RR____H | Posted 4/24/2009 3:25:41 PM | message detail
Yeah, this is mainly a console-based site (aside from some big exceptions like Pokemon and Valve/Blizzard-games). Suikoden 2 was in the 2004 BGE though, and Deus Ex also had JC Denton in the 2004 Character Battle. This site just isn't very kind to games like it.
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BT about Round Two: If Snake gets 43-45%, I'll close my account right now.
www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3285
charmander6000 | Posted 4/24/2009 3:26:27 PM | message detail
What in the world is sore thumbs factor?

LFF
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BGE2 - Today's Match: MGS > FFT Points: 51/68
seerNautilus | Posted 4/24/2009 3:28:30 PM | message detail
Wow these forums are live. Ohwell back to playing a ossom game called folklore. Mnyehhh!! (it has quite manly animalesque things who look like silly but also a little bit happy.)

You people should also start the new words btw, from now on no more play but say plah. It sounds more like what you are doing anyway.

Yea sorry for the very little bit offtopic, but ohwell.. i wonder if folklore is in this poll somewhere at all.. so far the game is excellent but to avoid people being a smartass and spoiling the ending now that everyone knows im playing this game im not gonna look on you peoples responses untill i finished it whole ololo.

Greets from one of the last real plah persons.
trannyscience | Posted 4/24/2009 3:29:08 PM | message detail
say what you want about characters not being equal to games, but Chief lost updates to Raiden and Kain after beating Luigi and Ganondorf the year prior. I have a hard time expecting Halo to be as good now as it would have been two years ago.
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trannyscience | Posted 4/24/2009 3:32:19 PM | message detail
whoa, user of the year candidate right there
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jonthomson | Posted 4/24/2009 3:32:31 PM | message detail
tomorrow's make or break for my bracket. if starcraft can't break 40k it's screwed. still somewhat hopeful that the two pokemans will kill each other and let midge ure's mask through in the next round
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 4/24/2009 3:34:25 PM | message detail
That dude is ossom.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/24/2009 3:35:40 PM | message detail
We should start recruiting more people.
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BGE2 - Today's Match: MGS > FFT Points: 51/68
H__RR____H | Posted 4/24/2009 3:37:53 PM | message detail
All you need to know about how far MC dropped when Halo 3 wasn't heavily hyped anymore:

2007: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2924
2008: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3298

Halo would have been a mega-beast in 2007, but now...can't check my main bracket on this account, but I think I have MGS3 > WoW in R1 over Halo. Halo 3 just came at a perfect time for MC in 2007, and if it wasn't for SSBB/MGS4-hype then we would have seen MC make the championship that year.
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BT about Round Two: If Snake gets 43-45%, I'll close my account right now.
www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3285
H__RR____H | Posted 4/24/2009 3:39:14 PM | message detail
Wait, wrong Halo game...pretty certain I have SSBM > D2 > Halo in R2.
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BT about Round Two: If Snake gets 43-45%, I'll close my account right now.
www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3285
Final_Rocker99 | Posted 4/24/2009 3:43:56 PM | message detail
I hardly ever visit these forums but seriously how the heck is it possible that deus ex, one of the deepest and most excellently balanced both in terms of storyline and gameplay.. has such a low score. Oh wait i know.. this site is being spambotted by 4chan asshat nolifes and ignorant children who have only heard of metlah geah furr for the ps3. Therefore vote metal gear cause honestly now.. metal gear 1 was utter boredom. It was way to short, corny and way to easy. Deus ex on the other hand had you thinking and even had a decent customization feature for its age.

Deus Ex is a very respectable game... I can't properly judge it since I got a copy only after seeing this game as a nominee in the BGE contest... I've beaten the game but I don't think it's better than Metal Gear Solid or Final Fantasy Tactics. It's way better than Pokemon though... and I agree games like these deserve more credibility in contests.

But seriously Metal Gear Solid especially the original is a Top 5 game IMO... Amazing story, Classy characters, The Best Boss fights and freaking incredible replay value. If you don't like or haven't experienced this game enough... trust me mate you have missed out a LOT

Final fantasy tactics is laughable aswell but the biggest insult is that bunch of boring milktruck of a series pokemon, how can anyone find the pokemon games good for the love of ..man.. Its the same thing over and over and over again, for every battle for every game. The only thing that changed in the games are the drawings and the name of the titpuppets you catch. And the color of the games casing. WOOHOO its almost like voting for obama wooooo!! chaaange!! we got chaaange! RED TO BLUE OH WOW NOW ITS CRYSTAL OOOH ITS POKEMOEN CHRYSTOOOALLLL!!!!

FFT is regarded as the best RPG-Strategy game ever and I totally agree on this... I see you don't... because I bet you haven't played the game enough or have you even played it???
Pokemon isn't a bad game but I have to agree with you on this... It's repetitive and not worthy of beating games like FFT or even Deus EX... great game

Oh and while im posting anyway... why the heck was suikoden 1 in the polls but not suikoden 2??? If there is any game worthy of the best game ever title suikoden 2 definately deserves.

Yeah I totally agree on that one... Suikoden 2 beats Suikoden 1 in every aspect except maybe nostalgia. Suikoden 2 is my 3rd fav game after FF7 and FF8... But that's not how things are decided on these contests... I had to find that out the hard way in 2004... I mean come on FF8 sweating CT while easily killing Suikoden 2... Suikoden 2 is like 5 times better than Chrono Trigger

And dont make me into some internet hero, im not your hero im just a guy.

You are one conceited fellow aren't you. You have some good opinions but some are WAAAY over the line.
charmander6000 | Posted 4/24/2009 3:48:29 PM | message detail
Come on Pokemon break that 6000 vote barrier.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 4/24/2009 3:49:23 PM | message detail
Man, I didn't even realize how much Pokemon was rocking the ASV.
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Mumei | Posted 4/24/2009 3:50:15 PM | message detail
I was wondering how long it would take before someone actually responded to it.

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Final_Rocker99 | Posted 4/24/2009 3:50:16 PM | message detail
Who here thinks Red can pull off an upset against OoT??
M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/24/2009 4:09:52 PM | message detail

From: Final_Rocker99 | #230
I hardly ever visit these forums but seriously how the heck is it possible that deus ex, one of the deepest and most excellently balanced both in terms of storyline and gameplay.. has such a low score. Oh wait i know.. this site is being spambotted by 4chan asshat nolifes and ignorant children who have only heard of metlah geah furr for the ps3. Therefore vote metal gear cause honestly now.. metal gear 1 was utter boredom. It was way to short, corny and way to easy. Deus ex on the other hand had you thinking and even had a decent customization feature for its age.

Deus Ex is a very respectable game... I can't properly judge it since I got a copy only after seeing this game as a nominee in the BGE contest... I've beaten the game but I don't think it's better than Metal Gear Solid or Final Fantasy Tactics. It's way better than Pokemon though... and I agree games like these deserve more credibility in contests.

But seriously Metal Gear Solid especially the original is a Top 5 game IMO... Amazing story, Classy characters, The Best Boss fights and freaking incredible replay value. If you don't like or haven't experienced this game enough... trust me mate you have missed out a LOT

Final fantasy tactics is laughable aswell but the biggest insult is that bunch of boring milktruck of a series pokemon, how can anyone find the pokemon games good for the love of ..man.. Its the same thing over and over and over again, for every battle for every game. The only thing that changed in the games are the drawings and the name of the titpuppets you catch. And the color of the games casing. WOOHOO its almost like voting for obama wooooo!! chaaange!! we got chaaange! RED TO BLUE OH WOW NOW ITS CRYSTAL OOOH ITS POKEMOEN CHRYSTOOOALLLL!!!!

FFT is regarded as the best RPG-Strategy game ever and I totally agree on this... I see you don't... because I bet you haven't played the game enough or have you even played it???
Pokemon isn't a bad game but I have to agree with you on this... It's repetitive and not worthy of beating games like FFT or even Deus EX... great game

Oh and while im posting anyway... why the heck was suikoden 1 in the polls but not suikoden 2??? If there is any game worthy of the best game ever title suikoden 2 definately deserves.

Yeah I totally agree on that one... Suikoden 2 beats Suikoden 1 in every aspect except maybe nostalgia. Suikoden 2 is my 3rd fav game after FF7 and FF8... But that's not how things are decided on these contests... I had to find that out the hard way in 2004... I mean come on FF8 sweating CT while easily killing Suikoden 2... Suikoden 2 is like 5 times better than Chrono Trigger

And dont make me into some internet hero, im not your hero im just a guy.

You are one conceited fellow aren't you. You have some good opinions but some are WAAAY over the line.


Jesus Christ, dude.

Seriously.
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/24/2009 4:25:38 PM | message detail
Pokemon closing in on 46% on MGS now. It's had a very impressive ASV indeed. MGS vs. RBY looks to be a good fight for first next round.
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ZenOfThunder | Posted 4/24/2009 4:32:35 PM | message detail
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/24/2009 4:32:56 PM | message detail
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/24/2009 4:33:01 PM | message detail
I'm probably going to give MGS 37% next round as well. Every disadvantage it has now gets turned into an advantage.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 4/24/2009 4:33:16 PM | message detail
my chrono cross was better this is lame
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/24/2009 4:34:55 PM | message detail
I'm not sure if this is alright for Half-Life or a death wish for Half-Life, but I'm going to call Bacon biased regardless.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/24/2009 4:36:04 PM | message detail
What other pic can Half-Life get? I scoured the internet for HL1 pictures of Gordon last contest, and for some reason they're extremely rare.

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ZenOfThunder | Posted 4/24/2009 4:36:46 PM | message detail
Naw that's not my starcraft, it just looks exactly like it.

That's my soulcalibur though
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/24/2009 4:37:28 PM | message detail
Hmm.....if you set Final Fantasy Tactics = Majora's Mask, RBY is projected to get 52% on MGS. If they're that close, MGS should win easily after the triple LFF. So what do people think about MM vs. FFT now that we've seen both?
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/24/2009 4:38:14 PM | message detail
Why not a HL2 picture? It's the same Gordon in the same suit, only in a higher resolution. Also, I think the official Half-Life box art had Gordon's picture on it.
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trannyscience | Posted 4/24/2009 4:38:34 PM | message detail
I thought that was a great Half-Life picture. *shrug*
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ffmasterjose | Posted 4/24/2009 4:38:51 PM | message detail
I'd uncomfortably take MM
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/24/2009 4:39:24 PM | message detail
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/archive/f/fa/20080622103059!Half-Life_Cover_Art.jpg

Now that's the face of a man determined to kill a popular RPG series.
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/24/2009 4:39:37 PM | message detail
I thought having that symbol in the picture was supposed to give Gordon a large boost! It's a bad thing now?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/24/2009 4:39:48 PM | message detail
Considering he rejected like 4 improved REmake pics, I think Bacon wants to use pics that only take stuff from the original source.

http://www.daveanddi.com/assets/images/Half-Life-Box.gif

I guess this could've worked. Dunno, just blame whoever made the pic, I guess.

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