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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 689

gandalf_storm | Posted 4/24/2009 12:34:18 PM | message detail
fft beating deus ex, yeah right, deus ex wipes the floor with all of those games, esp. fft and pokey-crap, people obviously have no taste
voltch | Posted 4/24/2009 12:39:12 PM | message detail
LA>MMX was idiotic,pac man>Ocelot was idiotic oh and how many gurus had sub-zero>Master chef?

for all we know FFVIII is lttp good...or majora's mask good.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/24/2009 12:41:34 PM | message detail
"lol"

I lost against hochi (great pick on his part) and now everyone is trying to upend him with these awful picks. Stop trying to avenge me! I'll live on!
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hochiminhX | Posted 4/24/2009 12:50:17 PM | message detail
LA>MMX was idiotic


No, that was obvious. For the record, I have FFVI > LA for two rounds.

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voltch | Posted 4/24/2009 12:50:43 PM | message detail
you'll lve on through HOCHI'S ARM!

BTW,does anyone else think that liquid's BRRRROTHEEERRRR,kinda takes the piss out of all these japanese animes where a character will almost inevitably yell out Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii-saaaaaaaaaaan before something horrible happens to one of em.

Sailor Moon had a particularly good example.
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ffmasterjose | Posted 4/24/2009 1:04:52 PM | message detail
Sig bet for 1 week. If FFVIII > SC, you win. When SC beats FFVIII, I win.

Totally thought you were talking about SoulCalibur for a quick second there just because I've never seen Starcraft referred as SC before, and thought "hochi's gone off his rocker!" XD

I lost against hochi (great pick on his part) and now everyone is trying to upend him with these awful picks. Stop trying to avenge me! I'll live on!

Didn't really know anything about this, I just saw hochi's post about the bet and decided "why the hell not?". I haven't gotten involved in any bets this season yet! Time to get a week long sig change aww yeah

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/24/2009 1:06:23 PM | message detail
VGB3 UP AND RUNNING, FOLKS! http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=49220231
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/24/2009 1:11:16 PM | message detail
Am I calling SFF between MGS and RBY? Not really, but I don't see MM losing much% next round, RBY definitely will.

I don't see this. The overlap will hurt, but Pokemon in general has usually done relatively better against tougher competition the last two contests.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/24/2009 1:13:04 PM | message detail
On a side note, this ASV is something else. GSC could end up at 33% if it keeps this up.

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RPGuy96 | Posted 4/24/2009 1:20:01 PM | message detail
Time | Deus Ex | FFTactics | MGS . | GSC
01:00 | 07.25% | 22.51% | 37.41% | 32.82%
02:00 | 07.63% | 24.33% | 37.19% | 30.85%
03:00 | 08.46% | 24.82% | 38.24% | 28.48%
04:00 | 09.14% | 22.50% | 40.17% | 28.19%
05:00 | 11.07% | 21.70% | 39.86% | 27.37%
06:00 | 09.02% | 21.78% | 40.39% | 28.81%
07:00 | 09.07% | 21.19% | 36.13% | 33.60%
08:00 | 08.03% | 22.12% | 37.28% | 32.57%
09:00 | 08.09% | 23.12% | 38.56% | 30.23%
10:00 | 08.57% | 23.48% | 38.60% | 29.34%
11:00 | 07.97% | 23.67% | 39.06% | 29.30%
12:00 | 07.83% | 23.02% | 38.86% | 30.30%
13:00 | 08.61% | 23.46% | 38.84% | 29.09%
14:00 | 08.07% | 24.43% | 38.52% | 28.98%
15:00 | 06.90% | 22.91% | 38.59% | 31.61%
16:00 | 06.38% | 21.90% | 34.34% | 37.38%

I believe the saying is "the kiddies woke up."
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eaglesarebeasts | Posted 4/24/2009 1:23:58 PM | message detail
Starcraft > Soul Calibur tomorrow!
charmander6000 | Posted 4/24/2009 1:28:47 PM | message detail
Wow, I've never seen something down so much and was able to make consistent cuts.
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Mumei | Posted 4/24/2009 1:30:51 PM | message detail
... Well.

I'm impressed.

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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/24/2009 1:35:17 PM | message detail
I'm really disappointed in FFT's performance :/ I always thought Gold/Silver was one of the worse generations. Oh well.
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/24/2009 1:38:14 PM | message detail
So it's customary to have some thinly veiled Ulti contest brag at the top of every topic now?

That's been customary for contest seasons for god knows how long

>_>
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trannyscience | Posted 4/24/2009 1:39:51 PM | message detail
well, I think RBY > MGS is a safe pick at this point unless there's some weird MGS/FFT stuff going on.. which is possible, I guess, but unlikely.

of course, next round should be MGS zone thanks to two Pokemon games. either way, I don't think MGS is top 10 material. I'd put it with FF6, probably, maybe a little bit lower depending on what LA is worth.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/24/2009 1:39:55 PM | message detail
I'm really disappointed in FFT's performance :/ I always thought Gold/Silver was one of the worse generations. Oh well.

Among Pokemon fans its one of their favourites, it fixed a bunch that was wrong with RBY and added a bunch of stuff. Crystal was great as well, then Nintendo expressed its water fetish with RSE (see Super Mario Sunshine and Wind Waker) which fans didn't like though route 224 is probably the most complex route to date while DPP added a lot to the battling meta-game. I still think GSC will hold up better than what some people think next round.
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Silverliner182V | Posted 4/24/2009 1:40:34 PM | message detail
Gold and Silver are like, respected as the best games in the pokemon series.
MGS series as a whole just went crazy from MGS4/Brawl.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/24/2009 1:41:11 PM | message detail
Even if RBY > MGS next round it has GS then in round 3 it has OoT, not really fair IMO.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 4/24/2009 1:41:59 PM | message detail
Well, like I asked last night, if MGS is up there with FFVI and not top ten, what ten games do you take over it?

This isn't a great performance by MGS judging by GSC (45% and falling on second tier Pokeymanz), but we do seem to be running out of top ten games.
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draarrowgant | Posted 4/24/2009 1:42:01 PM | message detail
I'm really disappointed in FFT's performance :/ I always thought Gold/Silver was one of the worse generations. Oh well.

Word.

Makes sense though...

MGS- mature* game
FFT- relatively mature* game ( I just say this because most youngin's wouldn;t have the attention span
DX- mature* game

POKEEEMON! Kid game that people of all ages enjoy... still.... relentlessly....

*and by mature I mean audiance that would enjoy it


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MnMZero | Posted 4/24/2009 1:42:21 PM | message detail
Okay, haven't been paying much attention, but I guess hindsight is 20/20. With the recent Nintendo boost, it should have been obvious that Pokemon undoubtedly is much more popular on this site. I know we always talked about it due to it being "less hated" than before, but I have no idea why it never dawned on me that all the new Nintendo fans on this site probably became so while playing Pokemon on the GB. I feel like an idiot for not seeing the writing right in front of my face.

In 1997-98, while what are now the older gamers on this site where playing FFVII, kids were playing Pokemon. Now that those kids are older and are coming to this site now (20 and under crowd), it should have been obvious that Pokemon is now popular on this site. This game probably has the same intrinsic impact as FFVII, it's just that there was a delay in getting those fans on this site. Now that those fans are here, Pokemon is a beast now. Can you imagine what this site will look like when most of the older gamers leave and have families and stuff? Do you know what this means? It means

We all live,
In a Pokemon World.
(POKEMON!)

I wanna be,
The greatest master of them all!
(Greatest Master!)

We all live,
In a Pokemon world!
(POKEMON!)

Put myself to the test,
Be better than all the rest!

(So you wanna be a master of...
POKEMON!
Do you have the skills to be...
NUMBER ONE!)
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trannyscience | Posted 4/24/2009 1:42:54 PM | message detail
maybe so, but I was talking 1v1 anyway, or at least fourways on a "neutral ground".

I definitely wouldn't count out RBY in round 3 though, assuming it gets there. OOT/RBY overlap is overblown.
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/24/2009 1:43:07 PM | message detail
well, I think RBY > MGS is a safe pick at this point unless there's some weird MGS/FFT stuff going on.. which is possible, I guess, but unlikely.

Gold/Silver won't hold RBY down?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/24/2009 1:44:19 PM | message detail
From what we've seen in Round 1, I would take OoT>RBY in OoT/RBY/MGS/whatever.

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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/24/2009 1:44:32 PM | message detail
Among Pokemon fans its one of their favourites, it fixed a bunch that was wrong with RBY and added a bunch of stuff. Crystal was great as well, then Nintendo expressed its water fetish with RSE (see Super Mario Sunshine and Wind Waker) which fans didn't like though route 224 is probably the most complex route to date while DPP added a lot to the battling meta-game. I still think GSC will hold up better than what some people think next round.

Meh, RBY will always be best as far as I'm concerned. DPP is a close second. RSE is by far the most abysmal though.
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trannyscience | Posted 4/24/2009 1:45:17 PM | message detail
I'll give RBY tentative top 10 status and include the usuals - CT, LTTP, FF7, OOT, SMB3, Melee. from there it's a blend of FF10 (still unproven, but likely), maybe RE4, maybe TP.. let's revisit this in a week.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 4/24/2009 1:49:31 PM | message detail
Fair enough. I'm pretty skeptical of FFX and TP, and I don't think RE4 is even under consideration. And of course there's nothing scary in the newest division, so we should see everything meaningful in the next ten days.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/24/2009 1:51:04 PM | message detail
I forgot about RE4. It should definitely be a contender, I think (although I've always had high hopes for it).

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hochiminhX | Posted 4/24/2009 1:51:38 PM | message detail
It will most likely be MGS > RBY next round. But MM actually *could* in theory win if GSC puts up a fight and doesn't get slaughtered by RBY. If they split somewhat we could see this


RBY: 23%
MM: 24%
MGS: 35%
GSC: 18%


Probably not but it would be a folly to discount the possibility


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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/24/2009 1:53:45 PM | message detail
Thing is, it probably goes more like

RBY: 28%
MM: 23%
MGS: 35%
GSC: 13%

I can't see GSC putting up much of a fight.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/24/2009 1:56:36 PM | message detail
Zelda's only chance would be if it retains a similar percentage (say, 27%) and Poke-mania loses a ton of momentum as a result of two games being the poll. If the two Pokemon games combine for a mere 40% of the vote, RBY is probably safe, as it could easily manage an SFF tripling.
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trannyscience | Posted 4/24/2009 1:57:31 PM | message detail
I'm actually skeptical on Melee. gonna be tough to say much 'til round 3 with that one though, unless it just flattens Zelda. (I feel better about this now that MM bombed.) we've still get the Blizzard trio to gauge though, and that's probably the most critical thing for the rest of r1.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/24/2009 2:20:32 PM | message detail
Now I want to take a sig bet against hochi just so I'd intentionally lose and have to use his sig for a week.
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trannyscience | Posted 4/24/2009 2:27:56 PM | message detail
we could all just randomly adopt it for the rest of the contest and people would wonder what the hell happened.
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/24/2009 2:32:36 PM | message detail
For the top 10:

Our original super seven minus FFVI plus RBY:

FFVII, OOT, CT, LTTP, SMB3, SSBM, RBY

Then for the 3 slots remaining, I'd probably include FFX and MGS for now. MGS currently has over 62% on FFT; that's impressive even if FFT has fallen off a good deal. It's not conclusive or anything, but I'm not expecting much from the newer games. For the last slot, FFVI, Zelda 1, TP, and Mario 64 are all good candidates. Maybe RE4, but I don't like its chances there. Starcraft, if it is rallied and has momentum, can beat any of them (and FFX/MGS) in 1v1 or 4-way.

I bet very heavily on Starcraft, so tomorrow should matter a lot for me, but on second thought, Starcraft can still go really deep even if it loses to FFVIII tomorrow. It's our original static percentage entry after all! FFIX/Half Life is very important, and I really don't understand the reasoning behind Half-Life there. Should be interesting, and it'd be a bonus if Chrono Cross did well (great game, if not as great as Trigger).
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trannyscience | Posted 4/24/2009 2:36:19 PM | message detail
Mario 64 is a good pick for eighth. forgot about that one. it really did well.

RBY needs to show me more than one match before I'm willing to put it in the super seven though. FF6 has 47% on LTTP, Melee has 51% on FFX and 38 or whatever on FF7 along with a very noticeable boost since then, Mario 3 has 48% on CT, CT has 42% on FF7.

RBY has a blowout of Majora's Mask.
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H__RR____H | Posted 4/24/2009 2:36:55 PM | message detail
Pokemon's ASV today is killer. We probably couldn't tell it so well with R/B/Y yesterday due to so much Nintendo/Rare instead of the likes of MGS and FFT, but still...this is impressive all the same. It'll be interesting to see how each of the Nintendo games react to MGS in R2 with the ASV.


As for the top ten games...

FF7
LoZ:OoT
LoZ:LttP
CT
SSBM
SMB3

...those six should be givens until further notice; they've proven themselves in 2004 to be among the best, the Top 100 List has them as the top games, and all of them except SSBM have established that they're still powerful games today (and once SSBM gets a chance, it'll prove it too). From there, hmm...I like...

LoZ:TP
FFX
R/B/Y
MGS

...I like LoZ:TP and FFX since those are the biggest games on the site (aside from probably SSBM) to hit GameFAQs after 2000 and they each came pretty early in their console's life -- each of which appeared on the most popular console of their generation. The GotC-poll was kind to these two games, even with LoZ:TP being held back by LoZ:WW, SMG, and MP. The past day and a half has been VERY kind to any pro-Pokemon arguments and R/B/Y beat two great N64 games AND LoZ:MM (suck it!). MGS slips in partially by default since MGS is my bet for the fourth biggest series and the Top 100 List treating it well, though we didn't get to see a lot of it in 2004 and Pokemon G/S isn't going down without a fight...but hey, it's thrashing FFT in a rematch and has some momentum from MGS4. It gets my benefit of the doubt here.

RE4 is a major contender I have faith in too (for largely the same reasons I like LoZ:TP and FFX), and it has room to be up there with LoZ:TP and FFX if it was hurt by all the Nintendo-titles in the GotC-poll (and it almost certainly was; compare Leon to Dante with Pikachu, with Kirby, and without either Nintendo character)...but its franchise just isn't as big as some others and neither RE1 or RE2 impressed (though it's a bit unfair to couple RE4 with them, RE4 needs to prove it's completely unfair). FF3/6 just wasn't that impressive so far, and we saw it start to fall away from the first six games I mentioned in the Top 100 List. SM64 is my favorite game of all time and did well considering its expectations, but it's hard to argue it being much better than Pokemon R/B/Y when R/B/Y beat LoZ:MM/PD/BK combined -- I don't know that's within SM64's power. GE needed to distance itself from SMRPG more than it did. I only like Starcraft/Diablo 2 doing particularly well in this contest due to the format and outside strength -- go back to one-on-ones and I won't find them to be as credible of contenders for such high ranks, plus they won't always show top ten strength anyway.
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voltch | Posted 4/24/2009 2:38:30 PM | message detail
Can't take it anymore,i want to see some pawapuro action in the character battle,i can guarentee that out of the 4k asian votes 80% would vote for him.
it's the best franchise to never properly get any sort of overseas acclaim until very,very,very recently.
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trannyscience | Posted 4/24/2009 2:40:04 PM | message detail
I think this buildup is amazing though. this contest was lamented for its awful bracket and format, but we're measuring up five years of questions every single day. I'm loving the second half of this first round. the top 10-15 argument shapeshifts every day.
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H__RR____H | Posted 4/24/2009 2:43:13 PM | message detail
This is the charm of having this contest after a five-year break !!
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/24/2009 2:47:15 PM | message detail
A potential top 10 game no one is mentioning: Super Mario Bros.

Think about it, it has the same things going for it as Pokemon RBY, but instead of revolutionizing handhelds it revolutionized video games.

We don't have a good read on it considering its four pack really sucked, but don't be surprised if it blows LoZ out of the water next round.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 4/24/2009 2:48:44 PM | message detail
A lot of the bracket complaints are still valid, though. FFVI bombed hard, but it doesn't matter because everyone has it in second against LttP anyway. CT did great, but it doesn't matter because it doesn't stand a chance in LttP/FFVI/FFVII/CT. With a decent bracket design, we could've had one big upset succeed (Mario 64/FFVI?) and another fail (Mario 3/CT?), instead we just resolve some questions.
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/24/2009 2:48:56 PM | message detail
Oh, I wasn't implying that RBY was on the level of the super seven, just that it is fairly safe for inclusion in the top 10, along with them.

What are Starcraft's trends going to be like now? Last contest, it did well but not amazing with the first night vote, lost the day vote, and then went berserk from 9 PM to 3 AM. It's comeback time at the end is now cut in half if it still starts at 9....does it, and does Starcraft gain any compensation at the beginning of the match if not?
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hochiminhX | Posted 4/24/2009 2:49:29 PM | message detail
I have SMB > LoZ next round. Seemed like an easy pick to me.

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trannyscience | Posted 4/24/2009 2:49:41 PM | message detail
Mario 1 is interesting, but at the same time it's also kind of a pointless exercise cause it's gonna be measuring up against another ancient game before getting fed to Mario 3. I agree though, Mario 1 could be huge.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/24/2009 2:51:36 PM | message detail
I have SMB > LoZ too and considered taking it over SMB3 in the Quarter Finals, but wussed out on it.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/24/2009 2:51:42 PM | message detail
This entire second half of the bracket is going to be amazing.

How are you guys feeling about SMG/DP/CoD4? I had CoD4>SMG, but with LFF not mattering, Pokemania taking over, and shooters in general not doing well, DP has a definite shot at second.

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BeTheMan | Posted 4/24/2009 2:52:02 PM | message detail
Is there any reason to leave Halo out of the top 10 discussion? If the four-way setup can make Master Chief formidable, I don't see why it can't turn a reasonably strong title into a beast.
trannyscience | Posted 4/24/2009 2:52:08 PM | message detail
A lot of the bracket complaints are still valid, though. FFVI bombed hard, but it doesn't matter because everyone has it in second against LttP anyway. CT did great, but it doesn't matter because it doesn't stand a chance in LttP/FFVI/FFVII/CT. With a decent bracket design, we could've had one big upset succeed (Mario 64/FFVI?) and another fail (Mario 3/CT?), instead we just resolve some questions.

totally agreed, but that doesn't mean we aren't having a ball trying to measure each one against each other based on assumptions. (which are very likely to be wrong, but at least it's something)
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