GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 688
| Lopen | Posted 4/23/2009 6:12:21 PM | message detail |
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Twilight Princess Zelda 1 Link's Awakening Wind Waker Majora's Mask Same as where I ranked them before the contest btw. --- So I lost a bet to creativename (yeah...hardly shocking). Like usual, I should've known better! FACT: Halo 3 was 1000% responsible for Master Chief's boost. |
| MetricTrout | Posted 4/23/2009 6:14:52 PM | message detail |
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From: MetricTrout | Posted: 4/23/2009 6:22:22 PM | #144 Actually, wait. I will sig bet anyone that G/S/C wins outright. HAH! Done. Well, I already have a sig bet with hochi. But you can have the other line, I guess. Also, sig bet lasts only for 1 week, like I agreed with hochi. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147 |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 4/23/2009 6:15:39 PM | message detail |
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Twilight Princess Wind Waker The Legend of Zelda Link's Awakening Majora's Mask For now. WW is officially on notice, though we're not going to be a good read on it this contest. LA is ahead of Zelda 1 if you don't think FFVI has fallen off, but I'm not buying that. --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/rpguy96 |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/23/2009 6:15:41 PM | message detail |
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Twilight Princess Majora's Mask=Link's Awakening Wind Waker Zelda 1 Zelda 1 may be stronger indirectly than WW, but see it folding in a 1 on 1 match. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 4/23/2009 6:16:26 PM | message detail |
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Also, does this performance make FFVI's performance on Link's Awakening
look better or worse? Honestly, there's no way Majora's Mask is
stronger than Link's Awakening at this point, at least in my opinion
unless something horribly whacked out happened either here or in that
match. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 4/23/2009 6:17:16 PM | message detail |
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Whoa, Majora's Mask up there with Link's Awakening? Sounds like a RBY fanboy in the hizzouse! --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/23/2009 6:17:30 PM | message detail |
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I still think MM is around the same level as LA. I'm taking the very optimistic route for RBY's strength, aw yeah As for FFVI, no clue. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 4/23/2009 6:18:22 PM | message detail |
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If MM is around the same level as LA, it can't be above Wind Waker or
Zelda 1, in my opinion. MM and LA aren't getting 43% on Mario 3 any
time soon. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 4/23/2009 6:19:41 PM | message detail |
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Worse. FFVI got 56.1% on Link's Awakening and RBY has 63.6% on Majora's
Mask; just for RBY = FFVI Link's Awakening has to beat Majora's Mask
with 58.6%. That's pretty steep. --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/rpguy96 |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/23/2009 6:20:37 PM | message detail |
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I mean really, it's probably horrible logic but I can't stop looking at
how badly Perfect Dark is doing. Even accounting for its 2k4 division
being overrated and dropping over time, MM is destroying it. That
speaks to me that this is less MM being bad and more RBY being kickass Worse. FFVI got 56.1% on Link's Awakening and RBY has 63.6% on Majora's Mask; just for RBY = FFVI Link's Awakening has to beat Majora's Mask with 58.6%. That's pretty steep. In that case, this match definitely makes FFVI look terrible. And, by extension, MMX. =( --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| MetricTrout | Posted 4/23/2009 6:22:03 PM | message detail |
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Twilight Princess Zelda 1 (gap) Wind Waker Majora's Mask (gap) Link's Awakening --- http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147 |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 4/23/2009 6:23:17 PM | message detail |
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Majora's Mask with a gap between LA, and being higher? So I'm guessing you, what, have R/B/Y winning the tournament then --- A refusal of praise is a desire to be praised twice. |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/23/2009 6:23:51 PM | message detail |
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Why do you still deny that LA has strength, MetricTrout? Unlike Majora's Mask, at least it managed 30%. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 4/23/2009 6:27:31 PM | message detail |
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I mean really, it's probably horrible logic but I can't stop looking at how badly Perfect Dark is doing. I think that's the wrong thing to look at, honestly. This match was just asking Perfect Dark to get a mud hole stomped into it. I don't think this match is indicative of its true strength. It just had the unfortunate circumstance of facing THE Pokemon game and a midtier Zelda. And if anything, this match proves to me that Zelda 1 and FFI's strengths are legit and not just franchise-powered. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/23/2009 6:28:33 PM | message detail |
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After this, I have no doubt that Majora's Mask is a lower-tier Zelda in terms of strength. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/23/2009 6:28:54 PM | message detail |
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Eh, we'll see. The one thing I'm certain of is that I have no real idea
of how this plays out, which is awesome. Unpredictability makes for
good contests. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 4/23/2009 6:29:39 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, this is a great result because it throws a lot of things into question. Also, FFVII > OoT confirmed Who's with me? --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| MetricTrout | Posted 4/23/2009 6:29:45 PM | message detail |
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I posted this before, but. Majora's Mask has a total 32011 votes right now. Link's Awakening had 32531 at this time in its match. And Majora's Mask is being subject to SFF. Meanwhile, Link's Awakening benefited from being the only Nintendo game in its match. Total votes are a good measure of the strength of a fourpack. Link's Awakening's fourpack was weak, hence why it drew a better percentage. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147 |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/23/2009 6:33:01 PM | message detail |
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I think you're still in damage control mode. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/23/2009 6:33:54 PM | message detail |
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More like RBY>this contest confirmed. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 4/23/2009 6:34:34 PM | message detail |
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Total votes are a good measure of the strength of a fourpack. Link's
Awakening's fourpack was weak, hence why it drew a better percentage. Total votes are a horrible measure of the strength of a fourpack. Just to use one example, LttP's fourpack drew the same amount of votes as Zelda 1's fourpack. I can't imagine anyone arguing that those were comparable. I thought we realized that votals are an awful measure of strength, like, six years ago. --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/rpguy96 |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/23/2009 6:34:38 PM | message detail |
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Are you seriously comparing them between total votes? --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: MM > PD - Points: 48/64 Vote: R/B/Y |
| SonicRaptor | Posted 4/23/2009 6:35:11 PM | message detail |
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From: Fayt_Esteed | #265 Safe to say, the only other Zelda game I can think of being lower is Zelda 2 because that one is even more of a black sheep than MM. Though I shouldn't count out Phantom Hourglass because that was is usually looked down upon by the Zelda fanbase for it's stupid stealth dungeon. --- Today's Subliminal Thought Is: |
| red sox 777 | Posted 4/23/2009 6:38:03 PM | message detail |
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Total votes are a very unreliable measure of strength. Look at
Tidus/Ganon and Magus/Ganon. Or CT/LTTP and FFVII/OOT. Or
Link/Cloud/Snake/Crono compared with Link/Link/Link/Link. Or hundreds
of other polls. --- Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
| MetricTrout | Posted 4/23/2009 6:38:34 PM | message detail |
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Speaking of votals, I cannot Ocarina of Time's pack not coming outvoting everything that comes before it. The current votal champion is Mario World/Final Fantasy/Battletoads/Prince of Persia, and Ocarina of Time > Mario World Half-Life > Battletoads Chrono Cross > Prince of Persia That leaves FF9 and FF, and while I think that FF is probably stronger, it probably is not going to draw too many more votes than FF9. If OoT's fourpack draws 140000 votes and get about 50% of the vote, it has to be the favorite in a one-on-one format, considering FF7's fourpack only drew 127311 votes. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147 |
| red sox 777 | Posted 4/23/2009 6:41:38 PM | message detail |
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So Mario World > FFVII? --- Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/23/2009 6:41:47 PM | message detail |
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Dude, using votals as a measure of strength is plain dumb. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 4/23/2009 6:41:58 PM | message detail |
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From: MetricTrout | #275 I cannot not coming comprehend this sentence. --- A refusal of praise is a desire to be praised twice. |
| ZFS | Posted 4/23/2009 6:46:11 PM | message detail |
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Twilight Princess Zelda 1 Link's Awakening The Wind Waker Majora's Mask --- http://i44.tinypic.com/hwh4yo.gif |
| MetricTrout | Posted 4/23/2009 6:48:00 PM | message detail |
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Total votes are a very unreliable measure of strength. Look at
Tidus/Ganon and Magus/Ganon. Or CT/LTTP and FFVII/OOT. Or
Link/Cloud/Snake/Crono compared with Link/Link/Link/Link. Or hundreds
of other polls. Close matches tend to draw more votes, obviously. So do matches in later rounds. And Nintendo/Square matchups. This is irrelevant is any case. What matter is that in this contest, the stronger fourpacks are drawing more votes. Take a look: Mario World > Final Fantasy Final Fantasy 7 > Mario Kart 64 Goldeneye > Mario RPG Pokemon R/B/Y > Majora's Mask Mario 64 > Symphony of the Night Chrono Trigger > Yoshi's Island Link to the Past > Donkey Kong Country Zelda > Metroid Mario 3 > Monkey Island Mega Man 2 > Pac-Man Super Metroid > Super Mario Kart Mario 1 > Ninja Gaiden Tetris > Donkey Kong Final Fantasy 3 > Link's Awakening Sonic 1 > Street Fighter 2 Final Fantasy 2 > Mega Man 3 Sonic 2 > Mortal Kombat 2 --- http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147 |
| ZFS | Posted 4/23/2009 6:49:10 PM | message detail |
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Do I see vote totals being used to determine strength well then --- http://i44.tinypic.com/hwh4yo.gif |
| red sox 777 | Posted 4/23/2009 6:50:04 PM | message detail |
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Zelda 1 Twilight Princess Link's Awakening The Wind Waker Majora's Mask Not confident at all about Zelda 1 > TP, but hey RBY being a top 10 game worked out, so why not? I can also see WW being weaker than MM, even after today. I doubt WW is as strong as in 2004, when it was the newest Zelda game, and even then it was badly overrated. SSBM will embarass it. --- Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
| MegatokyoEd | Posted 4/23/2009 6:50:22 PM | message detail |
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I still think Wind Waker is higher than Link's Awakening. Any hate Wind
Waker had has died off and it's accepted by the vast majority of the
Zelda fanbase these days. Majora's Mask hatred never really went away
by those who hated it. --- Demyx is better than Axel. |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/23/2009 6:50:49 PM | message detail |
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Close matches tend to draw more votes, obviously. So do matches in later rounds. And Nintendo/Square matchups. This is irrelevant is any case. What matter is that in this contest, the stronger fourpacks are drawing more votes. Take a look: Mario World > Final Fantasy Final Fantasy 7 > Mario Kart 64 Goldeneye > Mario RPG Pokemon R/B/Y > Majora's Mask Mario 64 > Symphony of the Night Chrono Trigger > Yoshi's Island Link to the Past > Donkey Kong Country Zelda > Metroid Mario 3 > Monkey Island Mega Man 2 > Pac-Man Super Metroid > Super Mario Kart Mario 1 > Ninja Gaiden Tetris > Donkey Kong Final Fantasy 3 > Link's Awakening Sonic 1 > Street Fighter 2 Final Fantasy 2 > Mega Man 3 Sonic 2 > Mortal Kombat 2 Again, using votals to determine strength is just plain stupid. No way in hell Zelda 1's forupack is comparable to LttP's. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| red sox 777 | Posted 4/23/2009 6:52:44 PM | message detail |
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Votals aren't an entirely useless means of determining strength.
However, their accuracy is probably somewhere between 2002 x-stats and
flipping a coin. --- Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
| trannyscience | Posted 4/23/2009 6:56:57 PM | message detail |
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today must be nostalgia day if we're voting for RBY and using vote totals to determine winners. TP > WW > LA > 1 > MM head to head; TP > 1 > WW > LA > MM indirectly. --- xyzzy http://i42.tinypic.com/2vbwhn4.jpg |
| MetricTrout | Posted 4/23/2009 7:00:11 PM | message detail |
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There is random variation in votals, but there is random variation in
percentages, as well. Votals give us a good general idea on how strong
a fourpack is. Like I said, if OoT manages to outdo Mario World's fourpack, it should be considered the favorite one-on-one. Then again, Mario World's pack does seem a bit like a statistical outlier, drawing 8000 more votes more than anything else in the bracket. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147 |
| red sox 777 | Posted 4/23/2009 7:03:50 PM | message detail |
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You know what else gives us a general idea of strength as well as
(better, indeed!) votals do? 2002 x-stats. Common sense is pretty good
too. --- Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/23/2009 7:10:26 PM | message detail |
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Match XVIII: Deus Ex vs. Final Fantasy Tactics vs. Metal Gear Solid vs. Pokemon Gold/Silver Information: Name: Deus Ex Year: 2000 System: PC 2004 Performance: Did not enter Name: Final Fantasy Tactics Year: 1998 System: PS 2004 Performance: 76.03% against Dance Dance Revolution, 49.98% against Metal Gear Solid Name: Metal Gear Solid Year: 1998 System: PS 2004 Performance: 70.62% against Resident Evil, 50.02% against Final Fantasy Tactics, 28.70% against Final Fantasy VII Name: Pokemon Gold/Silver Year: 2000 System: GBC 2004 Performance: 42.05% against Xenogears Analysis It’s the rematch that nobody wants to see. Last time Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy Tactics had what was then the second closest match in contest history, now however things have changed and we’re about to witness how much five years can change a game’s strength. Speaking of five years Pokemon GS is going to try to ride the RBY wave into second place. The one sure thing about this match is that Deus Ex is going to come in last. Originally this was Panzer Dragoon Saga’s spot though with add/remove gimmick we were able to trade old fodder for new fodder, which by my book is much better. There were some people that we disappointed because Roller Coaster Tycoon received more nominations for this spot, but in my opinion SBAllen made the right choice. Back in 2004 Metal Gear Solid was in a slump and Solid Snake was about to have his worst contest in his career. Now Snake is probably the fourth strongest character in the contest, however games to not equal characters. Between 2004 and 2009 Snake has received two Metal Gear Solid games and an appearance in Brawl meaning while the character has gone up the first Metal Gear Solid game may necessarily gone up as well. We won’t really know for sure until round 3 since the games in this half of the division are either in the same boat or are new. On the other side of things we’ve just witnessed Ramza almost lose to Laharl in the previous contest making things look badly for Final Fantasy Tactics. In 2003 Ramza was just above the fodder line, but by 2009 he would only get 40% on that line. Still while Final Fantasy Tactics has probably dropped it’s not like it’s going to be crushed and be in third place by a long shot. After watching Pokemon RBY perform like no one thought it would (I don’t care if you had it winning, no one saw it getting 50%) people think that Pokemon GS will just waltz right through second. First they were three Nintendo games in which we had no idea of their strength, for all we know RBY can be a solid mid-carder or it’s going to win the entire contest. Also people don’t seem to give GS enough credit in this contest, sure it lost to Xenogears, but Xenogears was huge back then and Pokemon has gone a long way since 2004. Also among Pokemon fans the GSC generation is much more popular than the RBY generation and if GS advances here I wouldn’t be surprised if it held its own against RBY next round. The difference between the games is the casual fanbase will probably support RBY over GS giving it the win. I’m not too sure if Pokefear is influencing my decision, but with GS being underrated because of SFF and going up since 2004 and with Final Fantasy Tactics moving down I’m going to go against my bracket and support the upset. This may be the first time I’m going against my bracket, but it won’t be the last. By the way I'm only switching Pokemon and FFT's percents so taking the upset wasn't that big of a stretch for me. charmander6000’s Bracket: Metal Gear Solid > Final Fantasy Tactics charmander6000’s Prediction: Metal Gear Solid – 37.42%, Pokemon G/S – 27.42%, Final Fantasy Tactics – 26.56%, Deus Ex – 8.60% --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls BGE2 - Today's Match: LoZ: MM > Pokemon R/B/Y Points: 49/64 |
| ZFS | Posted 4/23/2009 7:10:54 PM | message detail |
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Battletoads is partly to blame for that. But using vote totals to
figure out what happens between two games in general is a bad, bad idea. --- http://i44.tinypic.com/hwh4yo.gif |
| MetricTrout | Posted 4/23/2009 7:11:55 PM | message detail |
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No one is arguing for 2002 X-Stats. If I was, I would not be taking Pokemon over MGS, would I? --- http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147 |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/23/2009 7:13:30 PM | message detail |
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Man, I'm torn. MGS is my favorite game in the poll, but I love me some
Pokemon. FFT is a great game, too. I don't know who to root for to do
well. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| trannyscience | Posted 4/23/2009 7:14:15 PM | message detail |
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it's too bad - you'd be slightly less wrong than you are right now. I demand some WDF and 45% on Mario arguments --- xyzzy http://i42.tinypic.com/2vbwhn4.jpg |
| ZFS | Posted 4/23/2009 7:14:52 PM | message detail |
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Haha WDF It's been too long. --- http://i44.tinypic.com/hwh4yo.gif |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 4/23/2009 7:15:28 PM | message detail |
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Pfft, WDF is a myth, it was all really due to Link/Mario SFF! --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/rpguy96 |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 4/23/2009 7:16:45 PM | message detail |
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aww yeah WDF also votals clear evidence that FFI beats FFIV tbqh --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. |
| red sox 777 | Posted 4/23/2009 7:17:47 PM | message detail |
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Yep, you don't really believe Sephiroth was stronger than Cloud, right? It was Link/Mario SFF.....unless SMS mattered that
match. But if it mattered so much on the 26th, why not 4 days later on
the 30th? That's right, CRONO > SEPHIROTH YOU KNOW IT TO BE TRUE.
What's even better, Mario/Crono got the 2nd highest vote total of the
contest behind Mario/Cloud.......how did Link win again. --- Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
| MetricTrout | Posted 4/23/2009 7:19:22 PM | message detail |
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Battletoads would have to have rallied 8588 (or 45.6% or its total votes) for SMW's match to fall below FF7's match in votes. I think it has more to do with being the first Nintendo/Square match in the contest, combined with the fact that Mario World and Final Fantasy are much stronger than their percentages indicate. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147 |
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/23/2009 7:50:10 PM | message detail |
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I feel insulted by this WDF bashing, I was part of the group that came
up with that theory and was the one that proposed the name. Also Link may have not SFF Mario or else people from the South division would have been overinflated as well. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls BGE2 - Today's Match: LoZ: MM > Pokemon R/B/Y Points: 49/64 |
| trannyscience | Posted 4/23/2009 7:51:42 PM | message detail |
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it's not even insulting, really. it's just the oldest, deadest argument you can dredge up. --- xyzzy http://i42.tinypic.com/2vbwhn4.jpg |
