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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 688
| ZFS | Posted 4/23/2009 2:55:39 PM | message detail |
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It wouldn't beat any of the Final Fantasys, none of the Marios,
probably loses to the high tier Metroids, all of the Metal Gears. I
don't know that MM could beat half the bracket, but we'll have to see
how RBY does next round. --- http://i44.tinypic.com/hwh4yo.gif |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/23/2009 2:55:49 PM | message detail |
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From: KamikazePotato | #093 True. FF8's probably one of the most hated games I can remember, but hell if it doesn't have a ton of people that actually liked it as well. Anyway, Majora's Mask VS Wand of Gamelon, with WoG getting a CDi Link pic. Who wins? --- http://gamebros.smackjeeves.com/ http://l33trappacat.smackjeeves.com/ |
| Final_Rocker99 | Posted 4/23/2009 2:56:41 PM | message detail |
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This is not the same FFT that beat MGS in 2004 No way man... MGS was the winner in that match because I remember MGS getting pwned by FFVII in the next round. Well for tomorrow's matchup I'm hoping MGS and FFT goes through but looking at today's match up I don't know what's gonna happen tomorrow. I always thought and loved Gold/Silver/Crystal more than Red/Blue/Yellow.. but Red really thrashed quality opponents today n Gold could get 1st place tomorrow... I expected Perfect Dark and Majora's Mask to get through... with MM in first place. Perfect Dark was nearly equal in strength to SOTN but got a merciless beating here tonight... I guess PD fans have died out |
| ZFS | Posted 4/23/2009 2:56:58 PM | message detail |
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Err, not half, since this is a 128 contest, but yeah -- it's probably not even top 30. --- http://i44.tinypic.com/hwh4yo.gif |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/23/2009 2:57:02 PM | message detail |
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Are you serious? --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: MM > PD - Points: 48/64 Vote: R/B/Y |
| Internet_Warbot | Posted 4/23/2009 2:57:11 PM | message detail |
| In truth even after today I'd take MM to get ~42%
directly on R/B/Y. Those 2 N64 games are masking MM's strength a lot.
And I'll say it straight out that even after today I still expect MM to
beat both Pokemons next round. --- Hey you, get offa my cloud! - Mario |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/23/2009 2:57:45 PM | message detail |
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No way man... MGS was the winner in that match because I remember MGS getting pwned by FFVII in the next round. Screw vote stuffers. FFT won that match. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/23/2009 2:58:20 PM | message detail |
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From: Internet_Warbot | #106 From: MarioSuperstar | #105 --- http://gamebros.smackjeeves.com/ http://l33trappacat.smackjeeves.com/ |
| MetricTrout | Posted 4/23/2009 2:58:54 PM | message detail |
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Also, the idea that there is little SFF in this contest is crap. There
is way more SFF here than in the Character Battles. How else can you
explain the absurd amount of entries that get sub-10%? --- http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147 |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/23/2009 2:59:05 PM | message detail |
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Same Console LFF is about the silliest excuse I've ever heard. Might as
well start considering the Long Title Factor or something. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/23/2009 2:59:15 PM | message detail |
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From: MetricTrout | #109 They suck? --- http://gamebros.smackjeeves.com/ http://l33trappacat.smackjeeves.com/ |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/23/2009 2:59:58 PM | message detail |
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How else can you explain the absurd amount of entries that get sub-10%? Have you seen those entrants? I'd be surprised if more than 10% of casuals had even heard about some of those games. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/23/2009 3:00:02 PM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/15 GSC, FFT, MGS and Xenogears are all behind SFF from Final Fantasy 7. The catch being FF7 > Xenogears was an 80-20 match and FF7 > MGS was a 70-30 match in Snake's worst year. GSC has to get from behind a 60-40 Xenogears match and have grown strong enough over 5 years to overcome a raw-value 70-30 gap against MGS's SFF stat. In English, assuming all 2004 results were legit (roflcakes), GSC has a 40% gap to make up against Metal Gear Solid. Then you add in 2004 being Snake's worst year, which probably bump this up to the 75-25 or even 80-20 range considering wherever you think MGS is now. That's an absolutely ludicrous gap. GSC's hope is for FFT to completely bomb tomorrow (and it might), because beating MGS would be a bigger miracle than the Mario/Cloud 2002 match. --- .,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.~*ST*~.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,. Now Playing: Etrian Odyssey 2, Lunar 2, Devil May Cry 3 |
| Big Bob | Posted 4/23/2009 3:00:32 PM | message detail |
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Here's a thought: Pokemon Red managed to get 28 on The List. Today's performance would suggest much higher. Is it possible that we're dealing with the combined strength of three games here? Or the fact that since R/B/Y were all split up for List nominations, Red suffered as a result? --- http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=49181355 MUCH better use of my sig space. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/23/2009 3:01:29 PM | message detail |
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I think 'lol List' is all that needs to be said there. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| ZFS | Posted 4/23/2009 3:01:46 PM | message detail |
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Same Console LFF is about the silliest excuse I've ever heard. Might
as well start considering the Long Title Factor or something. It makes sense in some cases, but yeah, not today, I wouldn't think. --- http://i44.tinypic.com/hwh4yo.gif |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/23/2009 3:01:51 PM | message detail |
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The games don't have independent fanbases. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: MM > PD - Points: 48/64 Vote: R/B/Y |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/23/2009 3:02:22 PM | message detail |
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Format should help GSC a bit, but then it should MGS even more. Yeah, GSC sure as hell ain't beatin MGS, as hilarious as it would be. --- http://gamebros.smackjeeves.com/ http://l33trappacat.smackjeeves.com/ |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/23/2009 3:02:39 PM | message detail |
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It's interesting to note that the only two Mario and Zelda games to
fail thus far were both released near the end of their console's life
and were both eclipsed by much more popular earlier releases on the
same system (Mario World and Ocarina, respectively). --- I, like clockwork, have been humiliated by hochiminh Hochiminh is better than me. I was a numbskull for thinking I could defy Him. |
| Final_Rocker99 | Posted 4/23/2009 3:03:21 PM | message detail |
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Screw vote stuffers. FFT won that match. Wat FF7 was the one which eliminated MGS back in 2004... I also wen't through the FFT-MGS match and it was a close one but MGS WON!!! |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/23/2009 3:03:30 PM | message detail |
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Time for FF8 to fail who wants sum. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: MM > PD - Points: 48/64 Vote: R/B/Y |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/23/2009 3:04:24 PM | message detail |
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Same Console LFF is about the silliest excuse I've ever heard. Might
as well start considering the Long Title Factor or something. Why exactly wouldn't the theory make sense? --- I, like clockwork, have been humiliated by hochiminh Hochiminh is better than me. I was a numbskull for thinking I could defy Him. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/23/2009 3:04:28 PM | message detail |
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Goldeneye Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask Mario Kart 64 Super Smash Bros. Let's settle where LoZ:MM is on the N64's food-chain. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| MetricTrout | Posted 4/23/2009 3:04:29 PM | message detail |
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| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/23/2009 3:04:49 PM | message detail |
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Nobody answered my question. Majora's Mask VS Wand of Gamelon w/ CDi Link pic, who wins? --- http://gamebros.smackjeeves.com/ http://l33trappacat.smackjeeves.com/ |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/23/2009 3:05:03 PM | message detail |
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Wat FF7 was the one which eliminated MGS back in 2004... I also
wen't through the FFT-MGS match and it was a close one but MGS WON!!! Screw vote stuffers. FFT won that match. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/23/2009 3:06:49 PM | message detail |
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SSB > MK64 I'm still pissed that SSB got out of the bracket. Complaining about three Smash games in the bracket? How about complaining about three Final Fantasy games in the very division Smash was in? I think Soulcalibur was a good choice to bring in, but we would've been better off ditching BK or Deus Ex or whatever else over Smash. --- http://gamebros.smackjeeves.com/ http://l33trappacat.smackjeeves.com/ |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/23/2009 3:07:14 PM | message detail |
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Heh, that reminds me, SSB would have probably been an even bigger bomb. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: MM > PD - Points: 48/64 Vote: R/B/Y |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/23/2009 3:07:42 PM | message detail |
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I'm still pissed that SSB got out of the bracket. Complaining about
three Smash games in the bracket? How about complaining about three
Final Fantasy games in the very division Smash was in? I think Soulcalibur was a good choice to bring in, but we would've been better off ditching BK or Deus Ex or whatever else over Smash. Personally, I agree. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| MetricTrout | Posted 4/23/2009 3:08:01 PM | message detail |
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All right, sig bet. Pokemon G/S/C scores at least 45% on MGS tomorrow. 1 line, lasts until the end of Round 1. Who wants some? --- http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147 |
| TRE Public Account | Posted 4/23/2009 3:08:23 PM | message detail |
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Is it possible that we're dealing with the combined strength of
three games here? Or the fact that since R/B/Y were all split up for
List nominations, Red suffered as a result? I believe it was listed as Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow in the drop down list. --- Not even a spread of 197 points would allowed me to defeat FastFalcon05! Congrats on winning the Character Battle 7 Guru Contest! |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/23/2009 3:09:17 PM | message detail |
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SSB/FF8 would've been heavily debated, especially after we see games
like SMB1, DKC, Sonic 1, and SMK show that series starters have a lot
of strength in themselves, favoring SSB. Ah, what could have been. --- http://gamebros.smackjeeves.com/ http://l33trappacat.smackjeeves.com/ |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/23/2009 3:09:50 PM | message detail |
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Why exactly wouldn't the theory make sense? Considering we've seen LFF and SFF not matter much at all up until now, I seriously doubt the console thing makes anything more than a negligible difference. Especially for this match. If it was 3 Xbox games versus Pokemon, there might be a case, but every game in this match is Nintendo. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/23/2009 3:15:06 PM | message detail |
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How else can you explain the absurd amount of entries that get sub-10%? That is probably because we aren't getting the 128 most nominated games -- we're getting the sixteen most nominated games from each era. Let's look at the games that have gone under 10% so far: Space Invaders Galaga Dragon Warrior 3 Castlevania 3 Secret of Monkey Island SimCity Tecmo Super Bowl Prince of Persia Crystalis Gunstar Heroes Streets of Rage 2 Phantasy Star 4 Shining Force 2 Donkey Kong Country 2 Suikoden Lufia 2 Banjo-Kazooie How many of those games do you think were legitimately in the top 128 games nominated? Not very many, and there's more where they came from. From R2 onward, most of these scrubs will be completely gone and you'll stop seeing such blow-outs...this is just a flaw of dividing by eras; you have to give each division equal representation when it's not deserved. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/23/2009 3:15:33 PM | message detail |
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Considering we've seen LFF and SFF not matter much at all up until
now, I seriously doubt the console thing makes anything more than a
negligible difference. Especially for this match. If it was 3 Xbox games versus Pokemon, there might be a case, but every game in this match is Nintendo. Which is why any such effect could be negligible for this match, but the underlying theory behind could still prove to be true. It all has to do with fanbase splits and conflicts in the fanbase interest. If you throw three FF games against a Mario game, the Mario game obviously looks better because the FF fans are conflicted. Theoretically, the same would hold true with consoles, although to an admittedly lesser extent. Throw three PS1 games against a Nintendo game, and the Nintendo game may very well overperform and look stronger. You really don't need to look further than tomorrow's match. Pokemon is a decently popular upset pick against Final Fantasy Tactics. If we replace the poll's big PS1 game, MGS, with a Nintendo game of perceived similar strength (say, Goldeneye), would Pokemon have been as popular an upset pick? I really doubt it, and Pokemon/Goldeneye are two games that have nothing in common outside of the parent company. Not even the console. It's all splitsville, baby! --- I, like clockwork, have been humiliated by hochiminh Hochiminh is better than me. I was a numbskull for thinking I could defy Him. |
| Big Bob | Posted 4/23/2009 3:15:59 PM | message detail |
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The whole idea of LFF is "How likely is it that people have played both of these games"? Sometimes, company SFF makes sense; after all, FF fans on the SNES migrated to the Playstation, while Zelda fans migrated to the N64. But people have thrown around stuff like Mega Man / Leon being SFF, and that makes no sense. Same system LFF would make sense, because if you've played the more obscure of the titles, then odds are you've played the more mainstream one as well. Games may have independent fanbases, but if there's a large section of gamers who have played both titles, both titles are going to suffer (in 4-ways, anyway). --- http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=49181355 MUCH better use of my sig space. |
| MetricTrout | Posted 4/23/2009 3:16:29 PM | message detail |
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SFF has mattered more in this contest than character battles. Look at say, Zelda/Metroid/Contra/DW3. Metroid scored 23.3% on Zelda. Contra scored 17.1% That means that if Zelda was to score, say 55% on Final Fantasy, Metroid would score 25.63% and Contra would score 18.81%. Did you think that Zelda would SFF Metroid enough for Contra to win? No, because all NES games share the same fanbase. Zelda SFFed Contra just as much as Metroid. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147 |
| Internet_Warbot | Posted 4/23/2009 3:17:53 PM | message detail |
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Monkey Island should have some fun next round, if it couldn't break 10%
with fodderific Tecmo and Sim City there it should be fun to see how it
copes with Sonic and SFII. --- Hey you, get offa my cloud! - Mario |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/23/2009 3:17:58 PM | message detail |
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From: PartOfYourWorld | #135 I'd certainly pick GSC over Goldeneye! --- http://gamebros.smackjeeves.com/ http://l33trappacat.smackjeeves.com/ |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/23/2009 3:18:30 PM | message detail |
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Three weeks ago? --- I, like clockwork, have been humiliated by hochiminh Hochiminh is better than me. I was a numbskull for thinking I could defy Him. |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/23/2009 3:18:59 PM | message detail |
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From: MetricTrout | #137 Or Contra's just weak. --- http://gamebros.smackjeeves.com/ http://l33trappacat.smackjeeves.com/ |
| creativename | Posted 4/23/2009 3:19:01 PM | message detail |
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hochi: Final Fantasy Tactics might flop, or it might not. I will sig bet you are completely wrong! (*sig bet not valid in countries with vowels in their name) Ulti: and this is also true for Final Fantasy 1. That game has legitimate strength. I don't know how many times it has to be in a poll before people agree with this. I've been trying to tell people for ages that the original Final Fantasy is a legit game. I don't get why anyone would expect it to be otherwise - it's a pretty legendary game. Not SMB3 legendary, but for mere mortal type games it's up there. Until then, it just looks like people making up factors to justify dumb picks. Well there's definitely something to franchise votes (external to the fact that being part of a franchise means you'll get sales and attention). But individual game strength is a bigger deal, as I've been harping on myself. It's be wrong to not account for some sort of franchise strength for games though. KamikazePotato Neither MM, FFIX, Yoshi's Island, MGS2 or whatever black sheep you can think of is generally disliked. They're just not liked as much. They still have a good number of fans. When Majora's Mask and MGS2 came out, I remember them being very widely disliked. Don't know if that qualifies as "generally", but there's no doubt intense dislike was widely spread. MetricTrout Also, the idea that there is little SFF in this contest is crap. There is way more SFF here than in the Character Battles. How else can you explain the absurd amount of entries that get sub-10%? Oh my god! You actually said something correct :) But then who's disagreeing with this? (proceeds to see posters who actually disagree o_O) Um...what the. Generational SFF for older games has been massive so far, just like completely expected. This is like...duh? I don't even know what to say here. HM It makes sense in some cases, but yeah, not today, I wouldn't think. Well if they're talking about today, then yes I doubt being with a couple weak N64 games is hurting Majora's Mask. Maybe MM is hurting Perfect Dark a bit, but it's not worth talking about. --- Save_Us.RAT BREAK THE BLOCK DOWN |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/23/2009 3:22:09 PM | message detail |
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Slight problem, creativename: take a look at the entire list of titles
that scored sub-10% so far. How many of those were in the top 128
nominated games? --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| MetricTrout | Posted 4/23/2009 3:22:22 PM | message detail |
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Actually, wait. I will sig bet anyone that G/S/C wins outright. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147 |
| Final_Rocker99 | Posted 4/23/2009 3:22:31 PM | message detail |
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SSB/FF8 would've been heavily debated, especially after we see games
like SMB1, DKC, Sonic 1, and SMK show that series starters have a lot
of strength in themselves, favoring SSB. FF8 wiped the playground with SSB in the game of the year poll back in 2000. I don't think it will fare that well now since FF8 has gained tons of loyal fans over the years |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/23/2009 3:23:32 PM | message detail |
| I'd love to do another sig bet, but mine is
currently occupies. Such a shame, because I always give people the most
beautiful sigs. --- I, like clockwork, have been humiliated by hochiminh Hochiminh is better than me. I was a numbskull for thinking I could defy Him. |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/23/2009 3:24:58 PM | message detail |
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FF8 wiped the playground with SSB in the game of the year poll back
in 2000. I don't think it will fare that well now since FF8 has gained
tons of loyal fans over the years Except that we can't rely on old polls like that. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/23/2009 3:27:41 PM | message detail |
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FF8 wiped the playground with SSB in the game of the year poll back
in 2000. I don't think it will fare that well now since FF8 has gained
tons of loyal fans over the years Old polls like that are not really to be relied upon except. --- I, like clockwork, have been humiliated by hochiminh Hochiminh is better than me. I was a numbskull for thinking I could defy Him. |
| Final_Rocker99 | Posted 4/23/2009 3:29:28 PM | message detail |
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Except that we can't rely on old polls like that. Maybe we can or maybe we cannot... but a lot of ppl are underestimating FF8. FF8 is just marginally weaker than FF10 and I expect FF10 would kill the original SSB in a one on one poll. |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/23/2009 3:30:53 PM | message detail |
| I'm pretty sure we cannot, my friend. FFX got like
a trillion percent on SSBM in the 2001 polls, and that was only 2.5
years before their contest match. --- I, like clockwork, have been humiliated by hochiminh Hochiminh is better than me. I was a numbskull for thinking I could defy Him. |
