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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 687

nintendogirl1 | Posted 4/22/2009 10:08:20 PM | message detail
Calmed down now, having the Pokemon Theme pumped into my head on a loop probably didn't help. I will be bragging about this pick for ages, since missing one game doubling another so spectacularly says a lot about predictive skill.

Ah ****. I can't even take the crap out of you guys at the moment.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/22/2009 10:09:12 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #199
Keep in mind that the bottom three today kill, and I mean absolutely obliterate, the trio Chrono Trigger was up against yesterday. And we thought that was a good performance.

I just... can't get over this. It's amazing. I'd be a lot happier if ****ing ratface wasn't in the match picture, though. I can't believe he did this to me again.


Earthbound > Banjo Kazooie and probably Perfect Dark too
SMW2 might be better than MM at this point as well.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/22/2009 10:09:51 PM | message detail
Somewhere deep in my ego, I can claim that my RBY pic helped bring about this result.

Yes, but that in no way assures that these people are more likely to go to SSBM. The games are completely different, on different systems. Basically I think the only votes it loses in this case are the "I don't know the game but Marth was cool" votes. I think you'll be hard pressed to find fans of any of the three other games that haven't played SSBM.

You'd just be hard-pressed to find anyone who was introduced to FE through Melee while also liking FE more than Melee. It's just a very weird overlap.

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yoshifan823 | Posted 4/22/2009 10:10:03 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #197
Also, saying this now:

None of the other Pokemon games will even come close to this. They'll do better than we expected, but RBY is *the* Pokemon game.


Oh, absolutely. GSC gets out of the second round if the fates align, then that's that, and DPP... Wait. Who says that DPP can't surprise? If RBY is doing this to a lower tier Zelda game, who's to say that DPP can't to a lower tier Mario game and jump with Brawl to round 3? Though, MGS4 and SSBB will probably take care of it after that. We could have 3 Pokemon games in the third round, if the Gods smile on them.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/22/2009 10:10:17 PM | message detail
So third round is likely this:

Metal Gear Solid
Pokemon R/B/Y
Starcraft
Zelda: Ocarina of Time

Who you got?
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 4/22/2009 10:10:23 PM | message detail
Come on Banjo, go for the cut!


I'm still laughing at this beastly Pokemon performance. Certainly makes Metal Gear Solid > Pokemon Gold/Silver look somewhat possible.
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Gr8CyberMonkey | Posted 4/22/2009 10:10:27 PM | message detail

From: nintendogirl1 | Posted: 4/23/2009 1:08:20 AM | #201
Calmed down now, having the Pokemon Theme pumped into my head on a loop probably didn't help. I will be bragging about this pick for ages, since missing one game doubling another so spectacularly says a lot about predictive skill.


I never once pretended to be good at this. Even the time I was one match a way from a perfect bracket, because that one match was Sora > Snake. Don't ask me how that happened.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/22/2009 10:10:36 PM | message detail
ngirl, get on AIM for a second, please?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/22/2009 10:10:39 PM | message detail
Earthbound > Banjo Kazooie and probably Perfect Dark too
SMW2 might be better than MM at this point as well.


As a big EB fan, Banjo would clobber it, and Perfect Dark would too. And no way is SMW2 anywhere near MM.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 4/22/2009 10:10:47 PM | message detail
Holy crap, R/B/Y - forget what I said about being skeptical of a game going up to FF6 level in such a short time. I said I was confident in G/S > FFT tomorrow, now it seems like a foregone conclusion (though I still say it beating MGS is ludicrous unless that series' progenitor just outright flops tomorrow). Still, MGS could have its hands full even with both Pokeygames in the match, if only because RBY is gonna flatten GS.

...but to temper this, tran basically took the words out of my mouth with Tifa/Vyse. Yes, this percentage on PD is downright scary - but this PD is, at face value, a half-step or so above Banjo-Kazooie. It's looking more and more like Goldeneye didn't get SFFed nearly as much as many of us thought, and that trifecta has fallen some to boot.

Though if that parallels any with MGS's performance against FF7, both it and FFT may be in for a rude awakening tomorrow...
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 4/22/2009 10:10:52 PM | message detail
We should get Gengar and Nidorino in next year.
KamikazePotato | Posted 4/22/2009 10:11:36 PM | message detail
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/22/2009 10:11:44 PM | message detail
I'm not sure what you're suggesting. Of course Xenogears was strong enough to get 58% on GSC- it did. Did it benefit from anti-votes, yes, of course it did. Would anti-votes be hurting RBY now? Yes, they would! I compared the RBY/GSC relationship to OOT/MM a couple hours ago, and I'll hold to that for now.
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ZFS | Posted 4/22/2009 10:11:57 PM | message detail
Do I see people putting Pokemon in the top 10 already? Sounds like overreaction zone.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/22/2009 10:12:03 PM | message detail
Metal Gear Solid
Pokemon R/B/Y
Starcraft
Zelda: Ocarina of Time

Obviously we haven't seen MGS or Starcraft yet...but if my theory about RBY holding up better against tougher competition holds true, I would take OoT>RBY.

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Tohoya | Posted 4/22/2009 10:12:20 PM | message detail
Much as I'd love to believe that RBY is elite on this site, I really think this is Majora's Mask being considerably weaker than we thought. I'd take LA over it in a 1-on-1 easily at this point.

I don't think that OoT is going to SFF it all too much. Do we have any definitive proof of Nintendo SFFing or even LFFing Pokemon games? I know they're by the same company, but they seem to have a considerably different demographics about them. Pokemon was a series that didn't achieve its popularity until much later on than most of its Nintendo brethren, and most importantly, its most important games were on a system that was nearly universally owned. I'm certain that there are a bunch of Playstation owners who loved FFVII and also fondly remember trading and battling on the playground in 5th grade.

In short, I don't think there's any more overlap of the Pokemon fanbase with the Nintendo fanbase than there is of any other title.
Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/22/2009 10:12:38 PM | message detail
As a big EB fan, Banjo would clobber it, and Perfect Dark would too. And no way is SMW2 anywhere near MM.

Why? I just can't see Ness losing to Banjo...
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 4/22/2009 10:12:55 PM | message detail
From: ZFS | #213
Do I see people putting Pokemon in the top 10 already? Sounds like overreaction zone.

Sounds like damage control zone!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/22/2009 10:13:43 PM | message detail

From: ZFS | #214
Do I see people putting Pokemon in the top 10 already? Sounds like overreaction zone.


how is it NOT top 10?
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ff6man | Posted 4/22/2009 10:13:44 PM | message detail
GS over MGS book it
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/22/2009 10:13:53 PM | message detail
Well maybe clobber was a bad choice of word, but I would've definitely taken Banjo/Kazooie over it. It was always going to be a lot stronger than Banjo. I think people were underestimating it.

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yoshifan823 | Posted 4/22/2009 10:14:28 PM | message detail
Characters =/= Games. Banjo just got a sequel and a rerelease, as well as a rerelease of a sequel coming soon. Earthbound has a Japanese exclusive sequel. I'm surprised that PD is beating Banjo.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/22/2009 10:14:33 PM | message detail

From: Fayt_Esteed | #217
As a big EB fan, Banjo would clobber it, and Perfect Dark would too. And no way is SMW2 anywhere near MM.

Why? I just can't see Ness losing to Banjo...


Ness has Smash Bros, too. I'd take Banjo over EArthbound, just barely though. like 53-47
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ZFS | Posted 4/22/2009 10:15:08 PM | message detail
Damage control not! I'll (unfortunately) put it in the top 20 for sure, but any higher than that based on a bunch of games we've never seen before is asking for trouble, especially when there were signs pointing to the biggest competition being overrated. Super impressive performance from Pokemon today, but like yesterday, a good chunk of this is Majora's Mask being a bomb. Still, not gonna deny that Pokemon's legit, but let's not go overboard based on nothing.

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Starion | Posted 4/22/2009 10:15:49 PM | message detail
Did the new Banjo game do well? I kinda assumed the reception to it (review and sales wise) was lukewarm.
Karma Hunter | Posted 4/22/2009 10:16:05 PM | message detail
Also, am I seriously seeing people complain about the picture on this match? It's one sided, sure, but this isn't a nailbiter or anything. MM is getting humiliated here, and RBY's got over 50% of the vote.

50%, against this competition? Even if GSC is only half as strong, FFT may have to hope that there's some residual backlash from this just to look respectable.
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ZFS | Posted 4/22/2009 10:16:19 PM | message detail
Banjo wouldn't clobber anything, let's just get that out of the way now.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/22/2009 10:16:40 PM | message detail
but any higher than that based on a bunch of games we've never seen before is asking for trouble,

We've seen Perfect Dark, and it put 47% on Sotn. This performance makes it top 10 no question. You just always love to hate on Pokemon.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/22/2009 10:16:56 PM | message detail
I thought the new Banjo game wasn't that well received?
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/22/2009 10:17:29 PM | message detail
Why there be any backlash from this? Pokemon isn't L-Block. They didn't vote for it because they thought it would be funny. They voted for it because they love the game. If anything, this hypes people up for further Pokemania dominance.

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transience | Posted 4/22/2009 10:17:54 PM | message detail
here's the thing with Nintendo - most people start with Mario and Zelda and move on to second-tier series like Metroid or Kirby or whatever. but when it comes to Pokemon, it isn't a second-tier Nintendo series: people play it as their first game. it's *huge*. it doesn't have the same draw that Mario and Zelda do here, but Pokemon's a unique entity that's unlike any of the other Nintendo ones.

RBY could theoretically make the finals. that's a huuuuuuuuge overreaction, but I'm not sure if anything will hold it back.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 4/22/2009 10:18:05 PM | message detail
65% on Majora's Mask? The only game that could get that percentage on Zelda 1 in 2k4 is FFVII itself. We've seen Link's Awakening manage 44% on FFVI. How much weaker than Zelda 1/LA can MM possibly be? Even if the answer is a lot RBY is still a top ten game. This is pretty ludicrous.

Now, I suppose it could be the case that RBY is super-SFFing MM...but SFFing a Zelda title is no mean feat either; if the strongest Mario game SFF'd Zelda 1 it wasn't by much, and I don't think there was any other situation in 2k4 where Zelda got SFF'd. This is damn impressive.
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yoshifan823 | Posted 4/22/2009 10:18:10 PM | message detail
I dunno. The Banjo fanbase (hahaha) didn't like it that much, but it got better than average reviews. People didn't like it because it wasn't Banjo-Threeie, but a different type of game. I loved it, about as much as I loved the first two.
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ZFS | Posted 4/22/2009 10:18:23 PM | message detail
It put 47% on SOTN in 2004, the same SOTN that also cut it really close to RE1 just a couple of days ago, who also lost to a game that nearly beat Goldeneye before that. To top it all off, this poll is one big Nintendo-fest, meaning it's getting hit with SFF, too, however much you think that's worth. 50% is a great showing, but it's not top 10 until it does something to show it -- beating MGS1 would be a good start.

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red sox 777 | Posted 4/22/2009 10:18:40 PM | message detail
There's enough potential SFF in this match that it's really no good using these percentages to compare stuff. I mean, I don't think I'd worry much for any of the top 6 against RBY, not unless it goes and impresses against MGS next round.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/22/2009 10:19:42 PM | message detail
Do I see people putting Pokemon in the top 10 already? Sounds like overreaction zone.

What does Chrono Trigger get here? I already saw Turtle trying to spin what I said about tonight's loser trio, but there's no way anyone actually thinks it wouldn't kill Yoshi's Island, Earthbound, and Lufia II. This is legit strength. Pokemon may slowly fizzle later, but the Tifa comparison only works well if you consider Majora's Mask to be very weak, which I still don't.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/22/2009 10:21:07 PM | message detail
As a huge Chrono Trigger fan, I gotta say RBY is looking stronger then what CT did yesterday. This is much better competition.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 4/22/2009 10:21:26 PM | message detail
Oh, there's going to be *some* backlash - the extent of which is up for debate, but let's get serious here. There was backlash against Starcraft's run, there was backlash against MariovCrono I/II, heck there was backlash for Cloud > Link in an SFF match for crying out loud.There's a difference between voting for Pokemon and wanting to get on a bandwagon to see it dominate the contest.
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ZFS | Posted 4/22/2009 10:21:57 PM | message detail
Who's denying this is impressive, or that Pokemon isn't legit? All I'm saying is I'm not gonna hand Pokemon a top 10 showing based on speculated strength of a game we've never seen before. You've gotta show me something concrete (beating MGS1, again, is something like this) instead of 'holy crap we thought Zelda would win and now Pokemon's dominating FFVII is gonna have its hands full watch out.'

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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/22/2009 10:22:28 PM | message detail
I don't buy that. Backlash requires people to be shocked by the result, and for all we know RBY dominated the casual brackets.

I guess we'll have to see.

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yoshifan823 | Posted 4/22/2009 10:23:13 PM | message detail
The finals of this division is going to be the best match of the contest. In all likelyhood, it'll be RBY/OoT/MGS/Starcraft, which are 4 drastically different fanbases. Any one of those could get first, in theory, though, MGS is going to get curbstomped if trends keep up. Starcraft has a huge dedicated fanbase, as well as a sequel coming up, which is slowly starting to ramp up in hype, Pokemon is, for a lot of teens and kids, the first game they ever really got into, and even the older people will have played it before, and OoT is Zelda, which is always strong.

I'm not lying (though possibly exaggerating) when I say that OoT could be the one in the trio left out. And I'm going to further say that the two games that make it out of this division are going to the finals, regardless of who.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/22/2009 10:23:35 PM | message detail
I still have trouble seeing Banjo-Kazooie beating Earthbound for whatever reason (though mostly because if you're a platformer and you're not Mario, GameFAQs doesn't like you).
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Big Bob | Posted 4/22/2009 10:23:37 PM | message detail
...Anyone up for G/S/C beating Metal Gear Solid tomorrow?

Final Fantasy Tactics is gonna be tied at the hips with Metal Gear, and there's no Nintendo game in sight to drain support.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/22/2009 10:23:41 PM | message detail

From: ZFS | #239
Who's denying this is impressive, or that Pokemon isn't legit? All I'm saying is I'm not gonna hand Pokemon a top 10 showing based on speculated strength of a game we've never seen before. You've gotta show me something concrete (beating MGS1, again, is something like this) instead of 'holy crap we thought Zelda would win and now Pokemon's dominating FFVII is gonna have its hands full watch out.'


If GSC beats MGS tomorrow, will you admit RBY is top 10? Since theres no question RBY is stronger.
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transience | Posted 4/22/2009 10:24:05 PM | message detail
there's not much we can say definitively. we need a good barometer, something that isn't Nintendo and something that's well-defined.

that game is Metal Gear Solid, and we'll get that. it's fun to speculate but I feel like we can't even make educated guesses outside of the fact that we way underestimated Pokemon. all of us, including the ones who picked it to win here.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/22/2009 10:24:14 PM | message detail

From: Big Bob | #243
...Anyone up for G/S/C beating Metal Gear Solid tomorrow?

Final Fantasy Tactics is gonna be tied at the hips with Metal Gear, and there's no Nintendo game in sight to drain support.


Yep, at this point I'd have to take GSC as the favorite. After seeing this match, there is no excuse for GSC to not finish first
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/22/2009 10:24:22 PM | message detail
If GSC beats MGS tomorrow, RBY wins the contest. Period.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/22/2009 10:25:19 PM | message detail
Really, FFT still has a shot at 2nd tomorrow. GSC is the heavy favorite, but its merits should *not* be judged on RBY.

Remember Xenogears, that's all I'm saying.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 4/22/2009 10:25:43 PM | message detail
GSC beating MGS I've seen this bandwagon before

Time to get off the "cautiously optimistic for Metal Gear Solid" train and hop on the "MGS is gonna snap Pikachu's neck" stealth bomber then!
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transience | Posted 4/22/2009 10:26:25 PM | message detail
If GSC beats MGS tomorrow, RBY wins the contest. Period.

whoa. this is way too bold for me.
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