GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 686
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/22/2009 4:59:08 PM | message detail |
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From: ZenOfThunder | #250 lol i didnt even notice --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png Starcraft >= Diablo 2 > The Lost Vikings 2 >> trash >>>> World of Warcraft |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/22/2009 4:59:28 PM | message detail |
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I think it should be modded for offensive. --- Yoblazer: http://i44.tinypic.com/25z1non.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| nintendogirl1 | Posted 4/22/2009 5:00:34 PM | message detail |
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From: ZenOfThunder No. Not even with the perfect positioning of the eye, so that the viewers eye rolls down to the gently curving, beautifl- no. Not even a little bit. --- Sorry Zen. |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/22/2009 5:01:40 PM | message detail |
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it was perfect dark zero joanna then maybe but original was ugly --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png Starcraft >= Diablo 2 > The Lost Vikings 2 >> trash >>>> World of Warcraft |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/22/2009 5:04:32 PM | message detail |
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Pre-contest, I had LoZ:MM > PD, but considering GE/C:SotN/LoZ:LA and
the lack of LFF so far it's gotta be LoZ:MM > Pokemon...probably in
a close one. Strength-wise, yeesh...LoZ:WW ~=LoZ:MM feels right (I've
take WW > MM head-to-head though), Pokemon R/B/Y probably beat MP,
and PD is probably going to look like RE. PD is one of my favorite games though, but I just got EB > SMW2:YI wrong when I love Yoshi's Island and don't care for EB, so...I wouldn't say I do this often. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| ZenOfThunder | Posted 4/22/2009 5:07:31 PM | message detail |
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Also, I'm not getting all the Zelda complaints. Yeah, I made Majora's
Mask the center, but, you know, I figure it'd be recognizable. And Link is there. Yeah, he isn't the center, but I'm not sure if anyone who's voting gives a crap. Hell, I don't think anyone off the board cares for the pics at all. --- (|| ' ' ||) Not changing my sig until EBA2/Ouendan 3 is announced. (4/22/08) . /|_|\ http://imgcake.com/img/40/all_eba.jpg |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 4/22/2009 5:09:32 PM | message detail |
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I said I'd run the EB/Doom/LttP/CT comparison again after the ASV, so let's see how CT held up. Let's play with some numbers. Let's assume the EB/Doom ratio from 2k4 holds. Doom got 23.8% on LttP. EarthBound has 21.5% on CT. EarthBound got 43% on Doom. This gives Doom 25% on CT. Which gives CT 47.5% on LttP. That's about a percent worse than pre-ASV CT, which means CT did a bit worse relative to EB than I expected. Still, it's top five game worthy (top six at worst), and a very good performance all around. It's a shame both CT and FFVI get wasted; both could have surprised us (CT by holding up, FFVI by failing) based on their first round performances. --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/rpguy96 |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/22/2009 5:10:34 PM | message detail |
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That's a terrible picture. The words melt into the background, and
there's too much empty space. Feels like Shadows of the Colossus. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| ZenOfThunder | Posted 4/22/2009 5:11:21 PM | message detail |
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Meh, whatever. I like it and KP likes it, so that's all I really need to submit it. Like Zelda really needs a pic advantage anyway. --- (|| ' ' ||) Not changing my sig until EBA2/Ouendan 3 is announced. (4/22/08) . /|_|\ http://imgcake.com/img/40/all_eba.jpg |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/22/2009 5:36:07 PM | message detail |
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I really like all four pictures tomorrow...it's one of the best
collection of match-pics for one poll I remember. To those hating on
LoZ:MM: it's a clean pic where Link's on Epona with fine artwork,
"Zelda" is made very clear, and the title point of interest in LoZ:MM
has the majority of the picture. I fail to see the problem. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/22/2009 5:44:10 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, I've pretty much lost all faith in Perfect Dark doing anything,
and I *LOVE* Pokemon. Oh well. I sure chose the perfect matches to
doubt my own favorite games. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: CT > EB - Points: 46/60 Vote: YI |
| ZFS | Posted 4/22/2009 6:09:19 PM | message detail |
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1. Mario ~250 million 2. Pokemon ~115 million 3. Final Fantasy ~60 million 4. Zelda ~55 million Yeah, these are pretty out of date, but three of 'em are still top 5! 1) Mario -- 201 million 2) Pokemon -- 186 million 3) The Sims -- 100 million 4) Need for Speed -- 100 million 5) Final Fantasy -- 85 million --- http://i44.tinypic.com/hwh4yo.gif |
| Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/22/2009 6:24:04 PM | message detail |
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Can't wait to see how MM and Pokemon do tomorrow. Should be an interesting match just to gauge Majora's strength! --- The Straight Up G The Palace of Wisdom Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/22/2009 6:33:39 PM | message detail |
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I'm still always shocked when I see Need for Speed at 100 million I mean haha... what? --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png Starcraft >= Diablo 2 > The Lost Vikings 2 >> trash >>>> World of Warcraft |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/22/2009 6:37:36 PM | message detail |
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Oh btw heres 6-11 since you had Zelda on there as well! 6. Grand Theft Auto - 70 million 7. Madden NFL - 70 Million 8. Tetris - 70 Million 9. FIFA - 65 Million 10. Tom Clancy - 55 Million 11. Legend of Zelda - 52 Million --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png Starcraft >= Diablo 2 > The Lost Vikings 2 >> trash >>>> World of Warcraft |
| red sox 777 | Posted 4/22/2009 7:19:13 PM | message detail |
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Need for Speed at 100 million just looks so wrong. I....I....I can't
believe that. Is there a source beyond the Wikipedia article? --- Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/22/2009 7:21:07 PM | message detail |
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From: red sox 777 | #266 http://news.ea.com/portal/site/ea/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&ndmConfigId=1012492&newsId=20090130005163&newsLang=en From EA themselves. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png Starcraft >= Diablo 2 > The Lost Vikings 2 >> trash >>>> World of Warcraft |
| Master Moltar | Posted 4/22/2009 7:23:52 PM | message detail |
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Division 5: Round 1 - Match 17 – Banjo-Kazooie vs. Perfect Dark vs. Pokemon R/B/Y vs. The Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask Moltar’s Analysis Banjo-Kazooie 2004 Results: N/A Bird and Bear on a crazy adventure Perfect Dark 2004 Results: Lost in Round 1 against Symphony of the Night Between this and Goldeneye, N64 was the bomb for FPS’s. Pokemon RBY 2004 Results: N/A Bulbasaur > Charmander > Squirtle Majora’s Mask 2004 Results: N/A Best Zelda game right here. So here we have 2 snubs from the 2004 contest, a game lost early in 2004, and Banjo. Well, Banjo can “get outta here” as it’s getting killed here. The two much larger N64 games here will crush it. Perfect Dark doesn’t look good to advance either. Back in 2004, it failed to beat SotN, and like SotN, it will be weaker now too (perfect dark zero who cares about this). Plus I wouldn’t put it over MM or RBY anyway. So MM and RBY advance, but which takes first? RBY has a great shot with Pokemon hate on GameFAQs pretty low. Most people seem to love the older stuff like RBY and hate the newer iterations of Pokemon. Pikachu and Mewtwo did well last contest, and Pokemon has looked nearly SFF-proof in four-ways thus far. Plus it’s the only Game Boy game in a sea of N64 stuff, so it’s going to stand out a bit. However with the way this contest is going, there seems to be three things bound to help you pick the right winner. 1) Don’t bet against Mario. 2) Don’t bet against Final Fantasy. 3) Don’t bet against ZELDA. After seeing Link’s Awakening of all games put up good numbers, betting against Majora’s Mask, which will be stronger, doesn’t seem wise. Pokemon’s best chance here is for its nostalgia to get it’s votes, and that MM doesn’t end up being strong thanks to being overshadowed by OoT or disliked or whatever. While RBY should do alright, tackling ZELDA may be too much for it. Moltar’s Bracket Says: MM > RBY Moltar’s Prediction is: MM: 39% - Pokemon RBY: 32% - Perfect Dark: 20% - BK: 9% Heroic Mario’s Analysis Kicking off the best division in the contest with some Zelda/Pokemon action. As much hype/debate as this match has gotten, I don't think the actual match is going to be very exciting. I've never been a believer in Pokemon having powerhouse strength, nowhere near enough to stand up to a notable Zelda title. Here's part of my doubt on Pokemon -- five years ago Xenogears crushed GSC with no problem. Sure, Pokemon has gotten stronger over the past few years, in no small part to the Nintendo shift (which has tapered off a lot in recent times), but to go from losing there to suddenly being a powerhouse franchise? Not buying it. If you want something a little more recent, I point to the fact that Pokemon couldn't beat Metroid in the Series contest. Not the best 'evidence,' for sure, but just one more thing against Pokemon -- no, Metroid isn't a powerhouse in anything, save for Samus! Another part of this is the fact that we're dealing with a poll full of Nintendo games. You could call out N64 SFF hurting Majora, but I'd call out Zelda being so far above Pokemon on the Nintendo heirarchy -- something its fans hold strictly to in most cases -- that it doesn't make much difference. We're also dealing with a loved Zelda game here. I think this tends to get lost in all the debate, but Majora's Mask isn't the FFXII of Zelda. It has plenty of fans -- lots of them -- that consider it the best game in the series outright. I'm not sure where I'd stick in the rankings, but it'd probably be above The Wind Waker, for whatever that's worth. |
| Master Moltar | Posted 4/22/2009 7:24:04 PM | message detail |
| If I sound confident here, it's probably because
I'm not sold on Pokemon enough to even give it the benefit of the
doubt. If it can surprise me here, I'll have a new respect for it, but
when the most its done is have Pikachu beat a non-bandwagoned L-Block,
I'm not gonna jump at a chance to take it in a big match. Plus, I don't
like the series at all ! bomb pokemon bomb Majora's Mask -- 45% Pokemon RBY -- 29% Perfect Dark -- 17% Banjo-Kazooie -- 9% Bracket: Majora's Mask > Pokemon Favorites: Majora's Mask > Perfect Dark Lopen’s Analysis I've never really been sold on Majora's Mask. Perfect Dark, meanwhile, is one of the bigger games on the N64. Originially I had Pokemon > Perfect Dark here out of the belief that Perfect Dark had “sore thumb factor” on its side and out of respect for PD/disrespect for Majora's Mask. Sore thumb factor failing so utterly for Doom, when DKC was in the presence of a much stronger SFFing presence, has led me to reconsider this pick. That and the fact that ZeldaFAQs hasn't really gone wrong yet. I do think Perfect Dark has all the tools it could ask for here, but I just don't think it'll be enough. I had PD barely scraping by here in the first place, so with contest developments, I have to lose all faith in this pick. However, the pick I won't lose faith in is raw and unadulterated Pokemanz beatdown. This is pretty much the weapon of the Pokemon franchise. A more pure time, before the marketing got out of hand. The defining game of the Gameboy system. People will not anti-vote it, people will not forget it. ZeldaFAQs is a force, but the yellow rat smote the mighty L-Block last year... no doubt that Pokemon is on the upswing around here. Top tier Pokemon vs fourth tier Zelda? Give me the Pokemon. Lopen's prediction: Pokemanz RBY – 35.36% HAIL ZELDA ZELDA IS LOVE – 30.04% Perfect Dark – 25.50% Jumblededogongs? How about you collect some VOTES first you bastard – 9.10% Transience’s Analysis Chrono Trigger did awesome today. It looks like it's going to finish with virtually the same percentage that LTTP did. The obvious followup question: Donkey Kong Country/Doom/Streets of Rage 2 vs. Yoshi's Island/Earthbound/Lufia 2 -- which pack is stronger? I'm inclined to say it's about a draw, maybe a slight edge to LTTP, but I'd expect LTTP to be better at running up big numbers due to a higher playrate and the Zelda namesake, so I'd say these two are looking every bit as even as they were in 2004. Too bad there's some Final Fantasy in the way, one of the true disappointments of this bracket. Anyway, moving on. This match is one of my most anticipated of the contest - we've debated Majora's Mask for what feels like centuries, and Pokemon has been an enormous wildcard ever since Pokemon started doing big things in 2006. I don't have a clue as to what's going to happen, so I'm just going to ramble until I run out of stuff to talk about! Let's start with the easier entrant, Zelda. Majora's Mask is going to do well for itself. I wouldn't put MM below Link's Awakening and that already put up a really nice percentage on FF6, all while beating a top-tier Mega Man game. (hmm, a top-tier game from a lesser series vs. a low-tier Zelda game. sound familiar?) Being a well-known Zelda game - and Majora's Mask is - pretty much guarantees you *some* strength. We've debated MM vs. Wind Waker for years, and Wind Waker is statistically equal to FF10. Would you take Pokemon over FF10? I know I wouldn't. (Pikachu > Tidus be damned) That's the good about Majora's Mask - now for the bad. MM has done poorly in nearly every poll it's been in -- and it's got a good excuse. Its name is Ocarina of Time. Still, the numbers are pretty bad: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1225 |
| Master Moltar | Posted 4/22/2009 7:24:58 PM | message detail |
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It did pretty poor on The List and in that one Virtual Console poll.
These don't really mean much (if anything) but I've tried to find a
poll result that's kind to Majora's Mask and there's nothing. It was
released at the end of 2000, the day before the PS2. If we had a "best
of 2000" poll, FF9 would have brutalized it, and Perfect Dark may have
too. Oh, right, Perfect Dark is actually in this poll. And it's not that weak - 47% on SOTN in 2004 (back when SOTN was worth something), #40 or something on The List. (higher than Majora's Mask!) There's also Banjo Kazooie in this poll, yet another n64 game. We've got three n64 games and Pokemon. Who's in the best position to thrive? Unfortunately, Pokemon is a HUGE wildcard. It could be *anywhere* - below Xenogears, up there with Mario RPG, who knows. I'd peg it around the Mario RPG level, maybe a little bit higher. It's a huge favourite for people and should thrive in a multiway poll. Mewtwo and Pikachu have done awesome in recent years while later Pokemon have flopped - RBY just looks much stronger than the other Pokemon games. Is it enough to hold up to Zelda? I really have no idea. One thing we can say about Majora's Mask: it can't completely flop. It's going to do well. It's almost definitely stronger than Link's Awakening, which could put it anywhere from 45% on FF6 to stronger than it. But I think Pokemon RBY is also stronger than Link's Awakening. I believe it's the strongest handheld game on the site. Is that enough to beat Majora's Mask? I'm skeptical. But I'm gonna take the upset anyway, if only because my brethren here are going to go ZELDA yet again. And I can't blame them! transience's predix: Banjo-Kazooie - 8% Perfect Dark - 19% Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow - 37% Zelda: Majora's Mask - 36% Leon’s Analysis Banjo-Kazooie: Here’s a rule to remember on GameFAQs: If you’re a 3-D platformer that isn’t Mario (and heck, even Mario 64 got obliterated by OoT), GameFAQs doesn’t like you. Ask Crash, ask Jak, ask Ratchet, ask Sly Cooper, ask Spyro, ask Abe, and you can even ask Banjo himself! Seriously, you can’t find a single example of a character who debuted as a 3-D platformer doing well (Well, I guess you can count 2003 Shadow on a technicality, but that’s it). That’s not even to mention the fact that it’s an N64 game going up against an N64 Zelda and Perfect Dark, which isn’t too shabby in its own right. Banjo-Kazooie’s gonna get rocked, folks. Perfect Dark: Perfect Dark did pretty well for itself in the first Games Contest. 47% on SOTN ain’t bad, but in this scenario, it’s not going to be enough unless Zelda SFF hammers the mess out of R/B/Y. Heck, if this were 2004, I’d probably be taking Perfect Dark for second place here, but times have changed! This site actually likes Pokemon now! More than it used to anyway. PD is destined for third place here, except, as I said before, in the unlikely event that LoZ flexes its SFF muscles and destroys R/B/Y. Not betting on it though. |
| Master Moltar | Posted 4/22/2009 7:25:25 PM | message detail |
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Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow: I’ll be honest. I think this is the
most overrated game coming into this contest. I couldn’t believe people
were seriously entertaining R/B/Y over Majora’s Mask here. Sure, MM is
a second or third tier Zelda, but it’s still Zelda. We’ve already seen
franchise voting play a big role in the contest, and while that plays
less of a factor the more recent these games get, it’s still there.
Yes, I recognize that Pokemon has decent strength nowadays, but I think
that card is being overplayed. Whoop-de-doo, it doubled Star Ocean. So
what? Yeah, it did a good job of resisting SFF against Metroid, which
then went on to get a whopping 15% against Zelda. Samus has always been
more popular than Metroid itself, so I think that performance is
overrated. People point to Pikachu’s Cinderella runs in the last two
Character Battles, but do you honestly think Pikachu’s power is solely
from Pokemon? I’d wager he gets a lot of strength from SSB as well.
Why? Because Mewtwo, for all intents and purposes, should be stronger
than Pikachu among the Pokemon fanbase, but I haven’t seen it. And
while Mewtwo has some pretty good showings, you can point to a pathetic
showing for every good one. Yeah, Mewtwo was in SSBM, but he sucked in
it. I doubt it’s helped him as much as it helped Pikachu, who could be
considered one of Smash’s “main characters.” And while I say all that,
I’m taking R/B/Y to get second here, but I just don’t see the arguments
for it getting first place here. I could be wrong, but I’m not seeing
it. The Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask: This is one game I’m not sure about. Yes, it has the Zelda named attached to it (which is worth a lot), but Majora’s Mask is like the Final Fantasy VIII of the series. It had the unfortunate position of trying to follow the biggest game in the series and also tried to do a lot of things differently than the series normally does. As a result, a lot of people hated it, though it does have a vocal contingent that loves it. The only real poll data on MM we have is the N64 is that N64 Virtual Console poll where it was beaten cleanly by GoldenEye, but it was easily second ahead of everything else. I’ve pointed out why you can’t correlate those VC polls directly into contest strength before, so I won’t bother explaining it again. I suppose I’m mainly banking on the strength of the Zelda name to propel Majora’s Mask to victory. Heck, I figure it can’t be too far from Wind Waker, and there’s no way I’d ever take R/B/Y to beat that game based on its 2004 performance. Until proven otherwise, the power of the Zelda name behind a major title in the series is too much for most games to handle, even a debated title like Majora’s Mask. Leonhart’s Vote: The only game of these I’ve played for more than 15 minutes, Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow! Leonhart’s Prediction: Banjo-Kazooie – 12.00% Perfect Dark – 19.75% Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow – 27.11% The Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask – 41.14% Ed Bellis’s Analysis With the past few matches, we’ve had a guaranteed first-place victor. Here, however, it’s all up in the air. (Well, not all of it, but at least the part over which of two particular games comes in first.) Najo-Kazooie. I made this typo and thought it would be pretty funny so I kept it in! HILARIOUS. B-K is dead in the water here, and it might break 10 percent if it’s lucky. Yes, the franchise has seen a resurgence thanks to the new game for the 360 (assuming that didn’t actually turn people away from the series); no, the other games are that much stronger. Perfect Dark. PD gets fed to the wolves here, having put up decent numbers against Symphony of the Night back in 2004. It’s a good bet, however, that, much like SotN, it hasn’t aged particularly well and would not do as well today. Against, say, half the games in the early divisions it would probably place, but that’s neither here nor there. |
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/22/2009 7:25:32 PM | message detail |
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| Master Moltar | Posted 4/22/2009 7:26:05 PM | message detail |
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Pokemon: Red/Blue/Yellow. Pokemon has a lot of things going
against it here: its status as a handheld game, leftover “Pokehate,”
and going up against the Zelda brand. The first two are easily
debunked: Pokemon is probably the most popular of the handheld games,
and it’s not 2004 anymore; Pokemon actually became trendy over
the past few years as the kids who played it when they were youngsters
grew up. RBY is probably the most popular Pokegame out there, and it’s
up against what is sure to be one of the weakest Zeldas. Zelda: Majora’s Mask. Majora’s Mask has basically one thing going against it here: its status as the black sheep of the main Zelda titles. However, if this contest has taught me anything, it’s this: voters are sheep. Majora’s Mask might not have the full brunt of the Zelda name behind it, but it’ll have plenty of it. The question is: will Pokemon be able to stand up under fire? Before the contest started, I would have said “yes”; now, seeing the importance of franchise voting (AUGH SHEEP BAAAAAHHH), I’m inclined to say “no, but it’ll be close.” Prediction: BAAAAAHHH Banjo-Kazooie with 7.28% Perfect Dark with 17.17% Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow with 36.90% Zelda: Majora’s Mask with 38.65% Guest’s Analysis - Soul Here’s the big match. Finally a match that’s in the air and it has good reason to. First, let’s get rid of the scrubbery here. Banjo Kazooie is a great game. I recently played it on the XBLA, and it was fun as hell. Sadly, GFAQs doesn’t care about non-Mario platformers, so expect BK to finish last. Perfect Dark is the best console FPS game on the N64, but sadly it’s not as popular as Goldeneye. Expect it to finish ahead of BK, but nothing else. The big match is between Zelda and Pokemon. Everyone is afraid of Majora’s Mask because it’s Zelda, but it has never really shown to be really popular on GameFAQs. Then again, it’s Zelda. An unpopular Zelda beats more than 50% of the field. It’s also the game right after OoT, so it definitely has a good fanbase. And it’s Zelda. Can’t mention this enough because franchise votes are killing a lot of debatable matches in this contest. Pokemon R/B/Y is the reason why Pokemon is the biggest and fastest selling video game franchise in the world. It’s definitely the star Pokemon game in this contest, and should be the strongest handheld game in the contest. Pikachu’s performance over the past two years, and Mewtwo’s performance last year (arguably) prove that Pokemon is stronger in four-ways as opposed to one on one matches. R/B/Y should be stronger than individual characters because of it having such a huge ensemble cast. The question now is who finishes first? In my bracket, I chose Pokemon. In my head, I’m siding with Zelda. In my heart, it doesn’t matter because all four games are fantastic, but I liked Pokemon more than the others. That’s pretty much it. Go Pokemon Go! Pokemon – 39.57% Zelda – 35.39% Perfect Dark – 15.63% Banjo Kazooie – 9.41% Crew Consensus: The Crew slightly favors Zelda > Pokemon over Pokemon > Zelda |
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/22/2009 7:26:10 PM | message detail |
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Match XVII: Banjo-Kazooie vs. Perfect Dark vs. Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow vs. LoZ: Majora’s Mask Information: Name: Banjo-Kazooie Year: 1998 System: N64 2004 Performance: Did not enter Name: Perfect Dark Year: 2000 System: N64 2004 Performance: 46.82% against Castlevania: Symphony of the Night Name: Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow Year: 1998 System: Gameboy 2004 Performance: Did not enter Name: LoZ: Majora’s Mask Year: 2000 System: N64 2004 Performance: Did not enter Analysis The fifth division continues the Playstation/Nintendo 64 saga and while the Playstation ultimately won, it’s a Nintendo 64 game that is the favourite to win this division. In this match we have two games that were snubbed from the previous contest because of the one game per series per division rule, a game that was a part of the bang-fang three-pack and a game whose main character hasn’t gotten much luck in the contest. Banjo-Kazooie was often considered to be a tier lower than the big three will sadly come in last in this match. While huge back when it was released both Perfect Dark and Majora’s Mask also qualify at being a tier below the big three. Also popularity of games on GameFAQs is different than popularity in the real world and watching Banjo fail for two contests doesn’t give me faith on the performance of the game. I however believe that Banjo-Kazooie won’t get blown away in this match and that it has a great chance at staying above 10%. After watching the performances of GoldenEye and Castlevania I’m under the impression that Perfect Dark has some half decent strength, but with Majora’s Mask and Pokemon in this match I don’t feel that it has enough strength to win and would require one of them to flop in order for it to advance. After watching Zelda games tearing up the contest it would be a shock to see Majora’s Mask flop and Pokemon itself has been on the up rise ever since 2004 though if one of these games are going to flop it would definitely be Pokemon. The fight for first has always been debated though I really have to give Majora’s Mask the odds on favourite. After watching Link’s Awakening stand up to Final Fantasy VI Pokemon would need to have a lot of strength in order to stand up against Majora’s Mask. Of course Final Fantasy VI could be a lot weaker than what it was back in 2004, but I would be surprised to see Majora’s Mask being weaker than Link’s Awakening. Pokemon as a series has come a long way since the early days of GameFAQs contests. It is agreed that Red/Blue/Yellow are the strongest of the series, but to defeat Majora’s Mask it is going to need to be one of the strongest games of the contest. Being a handheld game would knock most game’s chances away, but if anyone can accomplish this it would be Pokemon. Before the contest I thought Pokemon would be stronger than LA, but now I’m not too sure. Usually it’s second place that is debated in this match, but this time first place is the hotly debated spot. Pokemon has to hope that it is indeed stronger than Link’s Awakening despite its performance against Final Fantasy VI. This type of trend will continue through the rest of the first round where many stronger games begin to compete for the top spots without any juggernaut games standing in the way. Perfect Dark does have a chance, but it needs a game to flop for that to happen. charmander6000’s Bracket: LoZ: Majora’s Mask > Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow charmander6000’s Prediction: LoZ: Majora’s Mask – 36.42%, Pokemon R/B/Y – 30.63%, Perfect Dark – 20.52%, Banjo-Kazooie – 12.43% --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls BGE2 - Today's Match: Chrono Trigger > SMW2: YI Points: 45/60 |
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/22/2009 7:27:14 PM | message detail |
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Almost had a special guest there interrupting your analysis. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls BGE2 - Today's Match: Chrono Trigger > SMW2: YI Points: 45/60 |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/22/2009 7:35:27 PM | message detail |
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Personally, I believe people are overrating Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow.
Granted, Mewtwo and Pika have been doing well as of late, but as for
Mewtwo, he's looked like ass TWICE last year. Regarding Pika, some of
his strength has to come from Smash Bros. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| red sox 777 | Posted 4/22/2009 7:48:16 PM | message detail |
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Midna doing so well against Mewtwo last year is the thing that gave me
the most pause of anything in taking the upset here. On the other hand,
I don't think the series result or GSC's 2004 match mean very much.
First, we have no idea how strong Xenogears was in 2004; it was behind
FFVII. Square was ridiculous back then; Xenogears could have been a
solid midcarder. And of course, comparing RBY to GSC is like comparing
OOT to MM- the former should by way stronger in both cases. As for the
series contest, we've seen already that a Series =/= Sum of its Games.
Megaman/Mario Kart is the best example of that. I don't think anyone
here really doubts that SMK and MK64 would thrash any Megaman game, but
that didn't stop Megaman from winning the series match easily. --- Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
| red sox 777 | Posted 4/22/2009 7:50:56 PM | message detail |
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Oh, and it looks like CT is going to hold on and beat LTTP's
percentage, giving it the 4th largest blowout of the round, barring any
major surprises from the bottom half of the bracket. --- Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
| ZFS | Posted 4/22/2009 7:55:34 PM | message detail |
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Character contests, old games contest, series contest -- it's all the
same thing. None of these are good to use when it comes to deciding
what happens today, but there's not much else to go off of. I think
it's far simpler than most people make it out to be, though: Zelda vs.
Pokemon, how does this go more often than not? Gotta give me a reason
to respect Pokemon, which it has a chance to do today. --- http://i44.tinypic.com/hwh4yo.gif |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/22/2009 8:01:02 PM | message detail |
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Like LA/MMX, this was another pick I was shocked to learn was being
disputed. I mean... you really can't use the Pikachu/Mewtwo
performances as any type of reliable barometer. Pikachu didn't look
great in the first two rounds, and the L-Block match is all sorts of
****ed up. He did hold up to Samus better than Ganondorf did, so I will
give him that. Mewtwo was up against pure crap in Round 1 and was the
biggest beneficiary of standout factor ever
in Round 3. Between that, he struggled and almost lost to god damned
Midna. He then lost easily to Cube, but we can't really hold that
against him. Still, his most "legit" match was a very sloppy one. I
wouldn't take much (if anything) from those character matches. And between that, we've got Game of the Year polls where multimillion selling Pokemon games are jobbing to Zelda: Minish Cap and Zelda: Phantom Hourglass. This is hardly the stuff that would embolden me with confidence. Of course, the most swaying piece of evidence is one that even I can't deny: Pokemon's impressive Series Contest performance. Its 47.5% against Metroid was a lot better than most of us thought it would do; props to it there. Two things, though: 1. It did this as a series, not a game. The only glimpses we've seen of Pokemon as individual games have been awful. 2. The series it still lost to, Metroid, went on to get 85/15'D against Zelda. 85/15 That's not just something you can reverse out of thin air. At best, and I mean BEST, Pokemon takes an 80/20 loss to Zelda in that contest, and it could have easily gotten 85/15'D as well. Yes, I know the argument. RBY is the strongest Pokemon game ever. I'm not doubting this. However, we've never even seen it. Not once, ever. It's a pretty big gamble to take it over a Zelda game. I'll grant you that we've never seen Majora's Mask, either. When you've got to compete with Ocarina for the spotlight, though, you're never going to be seen. The fact that MM's has been largely invisible at this point is through no fault of its own, but simply because the two biggest Zelda games are so damn beastly. Yes, it only got 4.3% in that ancient Zelda favorites poll, but Link's Awakening put up the same percentage, and it didn't stop that game from kicking ass (and I'm willing to bet Majora's Mask was more heavily SFF'D). This is a multi-million selling Zelda, it's acclaimed, and it's largely seen as Ocarina of Time's little brother (along as its sequel). Ocarina of Time's little brother, which could be enough to make the big brother of damned near everything else. I'm feeling pretty confident about this one. --- Yoblazer: http://i44.tinypic.com/25z1non.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 4/22/2009 8:01:55 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, after Link's Awakening established a very high floor for Majora's
Mask (I think it did, at least), I have a hard time imagining RBY
competing here. --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/rpguy96 |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/22/2009 8:03:36 PM | message detail |
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I, too, cannot see RBY in contention here. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 4/22/2009 8:03:47 PM | message detail |
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Is anyone expecting the new Pokemon Platinum release to do anything for R/B/Y here? --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 4/22/2009 8:05:53 PM | message detail |
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I took Pokemon to get first here since I pegged Majora to be at 'merely
LA's level" when I made my bracket. Turns out that's probably enough to
win. --- A refusal of praise is a desire to be praised twice. |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/22/2009 8:11:19 PM | message detail |
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If there's any Zelda game that could fail to impress, it's Majora's Mask. Not that I have much hope of that happening, of course. Pokemon will need to have some brass ones to be able to take on MM unless MM's somehow weaker than LA (which I could see happening, but probably isn't likely). I'd probably pick MM over Xenogears after seeing how this contest is going so far. --- http://gamebros.smackjeeves.com/ http://l33trappacat.smackjeeves.com/ |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 4/22/2009 8:13:45 PM | message detail |
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Well, since we're leaving the beloved era of 2D gaming behind, rank the top tier 2D games! The Legend of Zelda A Link to the Past Link's Awakening Super Mario Bros. Super Mario Bros. 3 Super Mario World Super Mario RPG Final Fantasy Final Fantasy IV Final Fantasy VI Chrono Trigger --- Mustache...and Green... http://backloggery.com/rpguy96 |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/22/2009 8:15:06 PM | message detail |
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Round 1 - Division 5: Match 1 Banjo-Kazooie I never did like the Banjo games Perfect Dark Goldeneye > Perfect Dark Pokemon R/B/Y I never got into Pokemon either. I think I beat Blue once and that's it. I tried to get into Diamond but didn't get past the first gym. Zelda: Majora's Mask The best 3-D Zelda title right here Analysis: An interesting situation here, we have 2 of the most notable snubs from 2004 battling against 2 pieces of turbofodder. This creates a slightly unpredictable match that can't be really called with any certainty. That said, Majora's Mask should have no trouble advancing here. It's probably the third or fourth strongest Zelda (depending on if you think Wind Waker is worth anything or not). Given how impressive Wind Waker was in 2004, despite being almost universally hated by the Zelda fanbase, coupled with Zelda's Series Contest performance, and the domination that LoZ, LttP and Link's Awakening laid down, Majora's Mask should have little to no trouble with Pokemon here. Then again, there's always a chance that Pokemon is a top 15 game, but when Gold/Silver (essentially the same game with a few more Pokemon) lost to Xenogears in 2004, that kind of threw out Pokemon having any semblance of contest strength. As for trends, I fully expect no votes to be cast between 2 am and 7 am. This should be a fairly consistent match, perhaps favouring Pokemon with the board and ASV slightly. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to play DotA for a few hours to celebrate being done my third year of university. TuRtLe's Prediction: Majora's Mask 45%, Pokemon 30%, Perfect Dark 15%, Banjo-Kazooie 10% TuRtLe's Bracket: Pokemon > Zelda (whoops) TuRtLe's Vote: Majora's Mask --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 4/22/2009 8:15:32 PM | message detail |
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Hmm. Chrono Trigger = Link to the Past Super Mario Bros. 3 Final Fantasy VI Super Mario World The Legend of Zelda Super Mario Bros. Link's Awakening Super Mario RPG Final Fantasy IV Final Fantasy Maybe. --- I've been waiting for this moment all my life - it's my destiny. http://64.81.113.250/a-kon-12/000177.jpg |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/22/2009 8:15:34 PM | message detail |
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A Link to the Past Chrono Trigger Super Mario Bros. 3 Final Fantasy VI Super Mario World Pokemon Red Super Mario RPG Link's Awakening Final Fantasy IV Final Fantasy The Legend of Zelda Super Mario Bros. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| SHINE GET 64 | Posted 4/22/2009 8:16:03 PM | message detail |
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picked up CTDS today gonna get the VC version of Majora's Mask tomorrow I'M ON A ROLL --- http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/1329/vegeta20vs20gokuub9.jpg http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/723/oboromuramasa11280.jpg |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/22/2009 8:16:11 PM | message detail |
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Link to the Past Chrono Trigger Super Mario Bros 3 Final Fantasy 6 Super Mario Bros Super Mario World Legend of Zelda Link's Awakening Final Fantasy 4 Final Fantasy Super Mario RPG --- http://gamebros.smackjeeves.com/ http://l33trappacat.smackjeeves.com/ |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/22/2009 8:16:47 PM | message detail |
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From: The n00b Avenger | #284 Same here. Not sure what logic I went through when I took that. Something along the lines of Gameboy game vs 3 N64 hits. Though in retrospect, Link's Awakening finally makes Wind Waker actually being decent somewhat make sense. ZELDA --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/22/2009 8:18:15 PM | message detail |
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gonna get the VC version of Majora's Mask tomorrow Sweet lord almighty, it's finally out?! --- Yoblazer: http://i44.tinypic.com/25z1non.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/22/2009 8:18:18 PM | message detail |
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From: RPGuy96 | #286 LttP Mario 3 Chrono Trigger Mario World FF6 Zelda 1 SMB Link's Awakening FF4 FF Mario RPG --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/22/2009 8:19:33 PM | message detail |
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I'm surprised you all still have FF6 > SMW. I'd personally give the
edge to SMW with all we've seen trend-wise in the last 4 years. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| SHINE GET 64 | Posted 4/22/2009 8:19:40 PM | message detail |
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they released it the week after the SD Card update was out! --- http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/1329/vegeta20vs20gokuub9.jpg http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/723/oboromuramasa11280.jpg |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/22/2009 8:21:25 PM | message detail |
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they released it the week after the SD Card update was out! Match over! But seriously, this is a bittersweet moment. On the one hand, I've long been waiting for the VC to put this up. On the other hand, it basically means I'll never have to hook up the old N64 again. --- Yoblazer: http://i44.tinypic.com/25z1non.jpg Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| trannyscience | Posted 4/22/2009 8:21:53 PM | message detail |
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2. The series it still lost to, Metroid, went on to get 85/15'D against Zelda. sure, and Metroid Prime held WInd Waker to 55%. it's not that cut and dry. Zelda winning big wouldn't surprise me too much but I don't think it'll be a huge blowout or anything. --- xyzzy http://i42.tinypic.com/2vbwhn4.jpg |
| nintendogirl1 | Posted 4/22/2009 8:22:19 PM | message detail |
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Yo, you need an N64 hooked up so you can play Blast Corps and Pilotwings64. --- I know this. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/22/2009 8:22:27 PM | message detail |
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I solved that problem years ago. Gamecube Zelda Collector's Edition Disc aw yeah that freezes god damnit --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
