GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 684
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/21/2009 7:26:05 PM | message detail |
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From: UltimaterializerX | #380 Earthbound has more hits than Mario World as well. RPGs by their nature have more people looking for guides. Obvious logic flaw is obvious. From: KamikazePotato | #387 Earthbound's "hardcore crazy dedicated fanbase" didn't help Ness beat Pac-Man. They let him get almost beaten by TRAVIS TOUCHDOWN. Who the hell IS that? --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| MnMZero | Posted 4/21/2009 7:26:29 PM | message detail |
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I'd take Doom. joke --- Currently playing: GTAIV, SSBB, MP3, Apollo Justice, FFIVDS, Dracula X |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/21/2009 7:28:36 PM | message detail |
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Funny you talk about people looking for upsets where they wouldn't
materialize, yet you, Turtle, were clearly guilty of that last contest. LOL hypocrites. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| KingBartz | Posted 4/21/2009 7:29:40 PM | message detail |
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RPGs by their nature have more people looking for guides. This. --- Check out my Guru bracket: http://www.thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=60 |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/21/2009 7:30:25 PM | message detail |
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I don't know how to look at the hits for guides, but I would bet Lufia
2 has more hits for its guides then super mario world 2, as well. --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png Starcraft >= Diablo 2 > The Lost Vikings 2 >> trash >>>> World of Warcraft |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/21/2009 7:30:29 PM | message detail |
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From: MnMZero | #402 I just have a different perception of this game for now, but I'll wait and see to eat my words in less than 2 hours! --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: SM64 > SOTN - Points: 42/56 Vote: SM64 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/21/2009 7:30:36 PM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2098 Notice how Mario quadrupled Ness. SFF aside, Ness did worse than Joanna Dark Alternatively, you could say Ness did almost as well as DK did against Mario in 2002, and we just saw DKC beat Doom despite LoZ:LttP. Either way, neither comparison is very good. There you go Earthbound apologists, you've succeeded in making me waste 10 minutes debating what was a foregone conclusion the second the bracket was released. I hope you're happy. Ten minutes is all? You owe a lot more EB-"analysis" then, considering how much time of ours you've wasted. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/21/2009 7:32:29 PM | message detail |
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From: Fayt_Esteed | #403 Any upsets I took had some rational thinking behind them. This one has NONE. The main argument for Earthbound is "Well, I know that it has a poor contest history, and clearly the fanbase isn't that dedicated because of it, but I REALLY REALLY want this obscure game to do well so I can validate my indie cred!" --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/21/2009 7:33:22 PM | message detail |
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Heh. Did you even read this topic? Sheesh. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: SM64 > SOTN - Points: 42/56 Vote: SM64 |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/21/2009 7:33:39 PM | message detail |
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Any upsets I took had some rational thinking behind them. What about Axel Steel > Midna? There was no real argument for Axel to make the upset. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 4/21/2009 7:34:30 PM | message detail |
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Despite BT's brash and sometimes idiotic behavior, he is completely
right in this instance. Everything is pointing towards EB being a
failure. Statistically, it's done nothing to show it being strong.
Logically, it's fighting a game that is completely out of it's league
and a Mario game. The only thing it has going for it is a fanbase that
is crazy enough to argue about it placing in a match it has no
conceivable way of placing. --- ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'. - Topaz Kitsune Believe it or not, the Internet is serious business - Biolizard28 |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/21/2009 7:35:02 PM | message detail |
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I have yet to see one good argument supporting Earthbound. And Harrich,
I added that Mario match because it shows how badly Ness folded under
SFF, which will CLEARLY be present here with 2 other SNES RPGs and a
second tier Mario title. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| Mumei | Posted 4/21/2009 7:35:44 PM | message detail |
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Despite BT's brash and sometimes idiotic behavior, he is completely
right in this instance. Everything is pointing towards EB being a
failure. Statistically, it's done nothing to show it being strong.
Logically, it's fighting a game that is completely out of it's league
and a Mario game. The only thing it has going for it is a fanbase that
is crazy enough to argue about it placing in a match it has no
conceivable way of placing. Yes, but we've got nothing better to talk about, so just go with it. <_< --- "Luxe, calme et volupte." - Charles Baudelaire, The Invitation to the Voyage |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/21/2009 7:36:01 PM | message detail |
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Hey. We can debate an obvious match, just for the fun of it. Or we can do nothing for a day. If you chose the above option, great. If you chose the option below that, please stop complaining and do nothing for a day. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/21/2009 7:36:12 PM | message detail |
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MARIO. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: SM64 > SOTN - Points: 42/56 Vote: SM64 |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/21/2009 7:36:33 PM | message detail |
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Bold Prediction: EARTHBOUND LOST? --- http://gamebros.smackjeeves.com/ http://l33trappacat.smackjeeves.com/ |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/21/2009 7:36:48 PM | message detail |
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From: Fayt_Esteed | #410 Guitar Hero is insanely popular and Midna sucked in 2007. We had never seen Guitar Hero represented in the contest and it had a huge range it could have fallen in. Axel fell into the bottom of that range unfortunately. We have a detailed history of Earthbound sucking hard in GOOD situations for it (that Alucard 4-pack) so how the hell can it beat something that clearly outclasses it in a situation where EVERYTHING IS AGAINST IT. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/21/2009 7:37:49 PM | message detail |
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From: KamikazePotato | #414 or we can debate future matches that matter like the upcoming pokemon matches --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png Starcraft >= Diablo 2 > The Lost Vikings 2 >> trash >>>> World of Warcraft |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 4/21/2009 7:38:15 PM | message detail |
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We have tonnes to talk about! How about FFVII/MK64/Goldeneye/SMRPG, for instance? FFVII wins for sure, but Goldeneye and MK64 both being top 5 on the N64, will anything happen there? SMRPG could bring MK64 down, or it could outright beat it too. Three Nintendo games all being around the same strength... anything could happen. --- Good Times, Great Memories |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/21/2009 7:38:37 PM | message detail |
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You didn't say that about Mega Man 3! --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: SM64 > SOTN - Points: 42/56 Vote: SM64 |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/21/2009 7:39:03 PM | message detail |
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From: XxSoulxX | #419 FF7 saps rpg votes from smrpg --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png Starcraft >= Diablo 2 > The Lost Vikings 2 >> trash >>>> World of Warcraft |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/21/2009 7:40:20 PM | message detail |
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I'm 70% leaning toward Goldeneye, though Mario Kart 64 advancing
wouldn't surprise me too bad. SMRPG certainly won't do it any favors,
though. --- http://gamebros.smackjeeves.com/ http://l33trappacat.smackjeeves.com/ |
| red sox 777 | Posted 4/21/2009 7:42:30 PM | message detail |
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1 hour and 20 minutes until CT shocks us all with a massive Snake
2k6-esque boost to challenge LTTP even with Triple Square LFF. BELIEVE. --- Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/21/2009 7:42:43 PM | message detail |
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From: XxSoulxX | #419 Soul's got the right idea! I've been calling for a Goldeneye chokejob for a couple weeks now, and if it gets out of that match, and Mario 64 beats Chrono Trigger, that little "dream match" will finally be settled. This division is deceptive, I have a feeling that round 2 and 3 will be really interesting to see. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/21/2009 7:43:03 PM | message detail |
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Guitar Hero is insanely popular and Midna sucked in 2007. We had
never seen Guitar Hero represented in the contest and it had a huge
range it could have fallen in. OK, be honest. You wouldn't believe that Axel Steel would do anything against Kratos Aurion (who couldn't beat Midna despite her sucking), now would you? --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| red sox 777 | Posted 4/21/2009 7:44:00 PM | message detail |
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I seem to remember BT saying something about GH3 > SSBM, so..... --- Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/21/2009 7:46:44 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, he was using sales as his justification. That's it. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: SM64 > SOTN - Points: 42/56 Vote: SM64 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/21/2009 7:51:48 PM | message detail |
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I think, given the information we had before the contest, there was
solid room for an upset; EB killed SMW2:YI in to Top 100 List while EB
got ~22% in the SNES-VC poll despite CT and four other SNES-RPGs...and
it killed MMX and SMK while doing it. Meanwhile, SMW2:YI was right
behind ToS -- a write-in, despite SMW2:YI being on the drop-down box --
and failed hard in all the SMB-polls. Based off that, it was a question
of whether or not franchise-voting would overcome those odds against EB
or not... ...and I for one bet against franchise-voting being a factor like 2004 (probably some others, too), so I took CT > EB. We've now seen that you don't want to bet against big franchise-games very often and Doom lost a match it should have won with some room to spare (darn u lff inconsistencies), so SMW2:YI definitely deserves to be the favorite. However, before the contest? Well, I'll just say it's nice to see you be especially aggressive about how wrong the prediction is now compared to before the lock-down. Besides, EB's not out of it yet. I've given up hope on it, but SMK did very well so far and EB both out-ranked it on THE LIST (while SMK outranked SMW2:YI) and embarrassed it in the SNES-VC poll; MMX has also done well enough. That SNES-VC poll also showed potential for not letting other RPGs bother EB. EB also has the better picture out of Nintendo's games tomorrow. I don't like its odds (and never REALLY did, like many upsets), but EB's not out for certain yet. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/21/2009 7:54:32 PM | message detail |
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I still remember GH3 > LoZ:TP being suggested as if it was already proven fact! --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| trannyscience | Posted 4/21/2009 7:55:02 PM | message detail |
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I wish people would stop using the argument that people just vote for
it because it has Mario in the title. they only do that when the other
games are just too unknown for the average person to have played them. I guess that can apply to this match, though.. CT is not a game that permeated the mainstream, Earthbound is that game those Smash guys are in and Lufia is lol wut but regardless, stop saying the only reason Yoshi's Island would do well is because it's got Mario in the title! yeah, that's part of the reason so many people played it, but it's not fair to the people that legitimately like Yoshi's Island to say they only like it because of the title. (Yoshi's Island sucks) --- xyzzy http://i42.tinypic.com/2vbwhn4.jpg |
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/21/2009 7:55:41 PM | message detail |
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BT had the right idea with Axel except he forgot one thing, it's a
casual heavy game that doesn't care about its characters. I compared
Axel to the Madden of the contest. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls BGE2 - Today's Match: SM64 > Castlevania: SotN Points: 41/56 |
| MetricTrout | Posted 4/21/2009 7:56:11 PM | message detail |
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The Virtual Console poll is meaningless. The reason so many people want
Earthbound to be released for the Virtual Console is because so few
people have played it. A bit like Chrono Trigger, which also performed
well in that poll. The good news for Earthbound is that its small fanbase is highly dedicated. The bad news is that Earthbound's highly dedicated fanbase is also quite small. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147 |
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/21/2009 7:57:08 PM | message detail |
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People need to remember that the VC poll asked what game do you want on the VC, not which game is your favourite. The VC poll favours games that people haven't played yet heard of and are interested in playing. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls BGE2 - Today's Match: SM64 > Castlevania: SotN Points: 41/56 |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/21/2009 7:58:13 PM | message detail |
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but it's not fair to the people that legitimately like Yoshi's Island to say they only like it because of the title. No one's saying this. We (or at least I) was saying that there are probably a good amount of voters out there who would vote for YI based mostly on the Mario name and nothing else, and I don't see how anyone can deny that considering what we've seen in this contest so far. I wasn't attacking anyone's opinions or anything. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/21/2009 8:00:58 PM | message detail |
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Nothing to do but wait now and see if playing devil's advocate was actually worth it. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: SM64 > SOTN - Points: 42/56 Vote: SM64 |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/21/2009 8:04:04 PM | message detail |
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Playing Devil's Advocate is always worth it. Everyone having a unanimous opinion leads to everyone being blindsided. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 4/21/2009 8:04:53 PM | message detail |
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Well, I'll just say it's nice to see you be especially aggressive
about how wrong the prediction is now compared to before the lock-down. I didn't even know this match was in question before lockdown. If I saw an argument for EB at the time, I would have said the same things I'm saying now. --- ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'. - Topaz Kitsune Believe it or not, the Internet is serious business - Biolizard28 |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/21/2009 8:05:37 PM | message detail |
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Playing Devil's Advocate is always worth it. Everyone having a unanimous opinion leads to everyone being blindsided. Just like with Link > Zidane, right? Almost no one saw that coming. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/21/2009 8:06:38 PM | message detail |
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I didn't even know this match was in question before lockdown. If I
saw an argument for EB at the time, I would have said the same things
I'm saying now. He was referring mostly...actually pretty much entirely to BT. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/21/2009 8:07:02 PM | message detail |
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From: Fayt_Esteed | #438 That one had an answer though; sonic characters fold to nintendo. Theres nothing here saying earthbound can win --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png Starcraft >= Diablo 2 > The Lost Vikings 2 >> trash >>>> World of Warcraft |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/21/2009 8:07:16 PM | message detail |
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True, the VC-polls ask different questions...but there's a correlation.
FF killed the rest of the games on it, DH didn't have a strong day-vote
there or in its most recent match, Contra flopped against Metroid yet
still beat DW3 (though only DW's in the NES-VC poll), and both Tecmo
and Crystalis were uber-fodder. Even Battletoads cheated again for
thousands of votes. I think we'd agree SMK beats MMX too, which the
SNES-VC suggests. It's not all wrong. There may have been too much faith put into it, but they're not wastes and we certainly haven't disproven it with EB yet, so I think an hour of patience would be nice instead of constant taunts when you don't really know either. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| ZFS | Posted 4/21/2009 8:08:37 PM | message detail |
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That VC poll is about as legit as the Battletoads over FF one if you ask me. --- http://i44.tinypic.com/hwh4yo.gif |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/21/2009 8:10:27 PM | message detail |
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This argument is making me want to shoot people in the face. Looks like SotN will just barely escape a doubling. --- http://gamebros.smackjeeves.com/ http://l33trappacat.smackjeeves.com/ |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/21/2009 8:11:54 PM | message detail |
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I think the fact that CT dominated the SNES VC poll shows that people were mostly just voting for their favorites. I mean, hadn't CT just had the DS version announced? Why would anyone vote for it otherwise? --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/21/2009 8:12:28 PM | message detail |
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I just established you can't entirely trust the polls, and Battletoads
> FF is a bad example considering we've seen 4chan rally hard for it
to beat FF twice now. Find another reason to hate those polls, is all. EB may be your reason soon, but they've not really been that wrong outside of BT > FF and probably EB. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 4/21/2009 8:13:59 PM | message detail |
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Alternatively, you could say Ness did almost as well as DK did against Mario in 2002 Despite having far less overlap than DK. Let's not forget that point. And it's sad when Earthbound's two arguments are that VC poll and The List. Those aren't things you want to be relying on here. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/21/2009 8:14:43 PM | message detail |
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just 45 minutes till the earthbound brigade shuts up --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png Starcraft >= Diablo 2 > The Lost Vikings 2 >> trash >>>> World of Warcraft |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 4/21/2009 8:15:04 PM | message detail |
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GoldenEye certainly didn't look as dominant as its VC poll suggested,
unless you want to go the Mario RPG > Majora's Mask or Smash Bros.
route. I suppose it's possible, but... --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/21/2009 8:16:08 PM | message detail |
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just 45 minutes till the earthbound brigade shuts up There's always next year. And next year. And next year. And... --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| ZenOfThunder | Posted 4/21/2009 8:16:32 PM | message detail |
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http://kotaku.com/5222212/dead-rising-2s-main-character-is-named-chuck awww yeah chuck for CBVIII --- (|| ' ' ||) Not changing my sig until EBA2/Ouendan 3 is announced. (4/22/08) . /|_|\ http://imgcake.com/img/40/all_eba.jpg |
