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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 684

KamikazePotato | Posted 4/21/2009 1:53:26 PM | message detail
MMX put up 38% against FFVI. It's not its fault LA turned out to be so strong.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 4/21/2009 1:54:47 PM | message detail
Until that 38% on FF6 is vindicated by FF6 showing itself to actually be strong rather than having fallen off horribly, I'll continue to consider MMX a disappointment (though not nearly as much as MM2/3, granted).
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/21/2009 1:54:52 PM | message detail
X lost a match the board thought it would win (and handily at that). MM2 bombed hard, barely cracking 56% on Pac-Man. The series is lucky MM3 did as expected, or else the series would be the biggest bust of the contest.

X lost because LA was stronger than it was supposed to be. It did great in relation to FF6 which we actually have some idea of where it falls.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/21/2009 1:56:13 PM | message detail
But yeah, 2 bombed hard, though my order of that list was based on what we've seen so far in round 1. It's entirely possible that Mega Man 2 and Pac-Man both advance over Tetris, or Sonic 2 manages to get to round 3 or something, but based on what we've seen, that's my order.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/21/2009 1:56:44 PM | message detail
Pac-Man over Tetris? uhhh

.. Well, I've never thought about it.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/21/2009 1:56:58 PM | message detail
And like I said, Ulti, obviously some people care about Yoshi's Island.

Just not very many.

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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/21/2009 1:57:21 PM | message detail
X lost because LA was stronger than it was supposed to be. It did great in relation to FF6 which we actually have some idea of where it falls.

FF6 better show that it's actually strong - or else!
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/21/2009 2:02:08 PM | message detail
And just for fun, let's look at that incredibly accurate barometer of how people care about games - My Games!

SMW has 57 written reviews and 784 casual reviews.
EB has 79 written reviews and 507 casual reviews.
Yoshi's Island has 48 written reviews and 320 casual reviews.

EB winning confirmed

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/21/2009 2:04:34 PM | message detail
Eh, unlike Harrich, I didn't base my EB upset on the list or even that VC poll.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/21/2009 2:07:21 PM | message detail
I didn't even take the EB upset, and this was back when we didn't think franchise voting would be worth this much. That should tell you how much faith I have in it.

With that out of the way, EB>CT confirmed on account of it being the best game in the poll yes

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Mumei | Posted 4/21/2009 2:10:29 PM | message detail
I'm not sure I understand the argument for Earthbound winning here. Is it essentially, "Chrono Trigger sucks up a huge proportion of the votes, Earthbound voters are basically the Nintendo-fanboy incarnation of Fallout fanboys, and therefore Earthbound's voters will be less likely to abandon it?

Or does the argument also depend on Yoshi's Island being rather mediocre?

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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/21/2009 2:11:10 PM | message detail
Both.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/21/2009 2:11:36 PM | message detail

From: Mumei | #311
Or does the argument also depend on Yoshi's Island being rather mediocre?


My argument depends on YI's being worth jackcrap; though I honestly expect a close match.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/21/2009 2:11:55 PM | message detail
basically, DKC would have to do 65% on Yoshis Island for Earthbound to stand a chance
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/21/2009 2:12:16 PM | message detail
Oh, and the format does help, but it's just a little added icing.
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Mumei | Posted 4/21/2009 2:16:27 PM | message detail
Hm.

I can see the former, but I'm not sure I see the latter. I just looked at the polls, and both games look fairly unimpressive (relative to other Nintendo games for Earthbound, and relative to other Mario games for Yoshi's Island).

I'm not really seeing how Yoshi's Island's weakness to SFF when facing SMB3, SMW, SM64, etc. really says much about its absolute strength in a contest here, though.

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charmander6000 | Posted 4/21/2009 2:17:08 PM | message detail
Because the format has helped Ness so much in the past.
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Childproof | Posted 4/21/2009 2:18:28 PM | message detail
I can't think of any decent reason as to why Yoshi's Island would be jackcrap.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/21/2009 2:18:51 PM | message detail

From: charmander6000 | #317
Because the format has helped Ness so much in the past.


this, it basically invaldiates any arguement for format. If Ness couldn't even beat pac man, and was close to TRAVIS, then the format means crap for it
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Mumei | Posted 4/21/2009 2:19:26 PM | message detail
I'm trying to think of the last time I saw anyone care about Yoshi's Island.

top ten game

Check my contributor page.

6/10 for Majora's Mask?

For shame, Ulti. For shame.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/21/2009 2:29:27 PM | message detail
There are a whole host of old reviews (Majora's Mask, FF8) that I need to redo.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/21/2009 2:35:55 PM | message detail

From: Childproof | #318
I can't think of any decent reason as to why Yoshi's Island would be jackcrap.


Because the only reason people think it won't is because "Mario" is in the title.

But where is Mario in the game? No, not Baby Mario. "THE" Mario. Mario is not playable in this game. He's nowhere in the game.

So how can it be called a Mario game? It's essentially a Yoshi game, and how strong are those on GameFAQs? Let alone, in this format?
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Ultimaphazon | Posted 4/21/2009 2:38:03 PM | message detail
My preference for tomorrow's poll

CT > YI > Lufia II >>>>>>>>>>>>> dog crap >>>>>>>>>>>>> EB

Just reading through this board, I've seen a lot of users claiming how much they loved YI.
YI was awesome, easily my favorite in the Mario series.

I would love to see Earthbound take dead last, with 0% of the vote, as it deserves.

*puts on Red Mail*
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/21/2009 2:38:07 PM | message detail
super mario world 2
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camel405 | Posted 4/21/2009 2:39:14 PM | message detail
Kirby doesn't get enough credit. Super Stars is probably the best Kirby game to date.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 4/21/2009 2:54:58 PM | message detail
Back when Yoshi's Island was chosen for the guru, there were a ton of people who were happy to nominate it despite being skeptical of its strength because of how much they love the game.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/21/2009 2:55:28 PM | message detail
Yes, because Board 8 is a good representative of a game's strength.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/21/2009 2:57:44 PM | message detail
This argument is still going?

Ok, time for me to run then.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/21/2009 2:59:12 PM | message detail
Of course, if I'm wrong about all this and YI actually manages to blow the hell out of EB, I'll eat my own words, but I already gave in to that actually being a higher possibility.

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 4/21/2009 2:59:34 PM | message detail
What did people use to say that Majora's Mask had strength, other than love on B8 and high sales? What else are we supposed to use?
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/21/2009 3:00:54 PM | message detail
After tomorrow's match, I think they should rename it Thirdplacebound. XD

Come on guys.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/21/2009 3:02:27 PM | message detail

From: Mac Arrowny | #330
What did people use to say that Majora's Mask had strength, other than love on B8 and high sales? What else are we supposed to use?


Just because it's the only thing you can use doesn't mean it's valid.

Majora's Mask is going to have strength because it's still a Zelda game. It still has Link. It still plays traditionally like a Zelda game. Zelda is even a totally different beast from Mario on this site.

On the other hand, the big thing here, is that I don't think YI is a *MARIO* game.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/21/2009 3:05:31 PM | message detail
I can't wait for the Earthbound brigade to shut up in 6 hours
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/21/2009 3:05:52 PM | message detail
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/21/2009 3:08:37 PM | message detail
And that is my point exactly. A Mario game isn't a Mario game simply because it has Mario in the title. That's not what makes Mario games popular. What makes them popular is playing as Mario, and loving what a traditional Mario game has.

YI is not even close to anything like SMW, SMW64, or SMB3. Heck, even the list supports this. Why on Earth would it place so far behind those games? In the favorite's poll, it has probably the most independent gameplay of the 2D Mario's.. and it couldn't even beat Super Mario Bros. 2.

Again, I could be wrong about this, but I only just recently seen it as a close match since Earthbound isn't really being worth much either, but I do not consider a Mario game popular just because Mario is in the title. People love Mario games because of their gameplay; YI's gameplay is not real Mario gameplay in spirit, and that is a risk I was willing to take.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/21/2009 3:09:13 PM | message detail
Yoshi's Island will impress, and not simply because it has "Mario" in the name. Earthbound won't have the strength to get second.

I'll bet my ****ing account that Yoshi's Island will outperform Earthbound.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/21/2009 3:16:30 PM | message detail

From: M_e_g_a_6_4 | #336
Yoshi's Island will impress, and not simply because it has "Mario" in the name. Earthbound won't have the strength to get second.

I'll bet my ****ing account that Yoshi's Island will outperform Earthbound.


not gonna happen, but saved regardless!
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/21/2009 3:18:08 PM | message detail
Heh, am I in some crap tonight!
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 4/21/2009 3:27:05 PM | message detail
A bet requires two people, Albion. -_-
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/21/2009 3:29:44 PM | message detail

From: Mac Arrowny | #339
A bet requires two people, Albion. -_-


not always
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Childproof | Posted 4/21/2009 3:51:13 PM | message detail
A Mario game isn't a Mario game simply because it has Mario in the title.

To most casual gamers, yes, it is. As long as it's a platform game and not a spin-off or frickin' Mario's Time Machine.
But like you said, if YI does terrible enough to lose to EB, I'll eat my words. And poop them.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/21/2009 4:01:19 PM | message detail
I still don't understand this Earthbound support. There should be NOBODY taking this pick. Earthbound has NEVER impressed in any contest, so why would it start now against a Mario game of all things? Not to mention the whole 3 RPGs and not released in Europe factor.

Yoshi's Island will be closer to CT than EB will be to Yoshi's Island.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/21/2009 4:01:56 PM | message detail

From: Childproof | #341
A Mario game isn't a Mario game simply because it has Mario in the title.

To most casual gamers, yes, it is. As long as it's a platform game and not a spin-off or frickin' Mario's Time Machine.
But like you said, if YI does terrible enough to lose to EB, I'll eat my words. And poop them.


I would take Mario's Time Machine over Earthbound.
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/21/2009 4:03:56 PM | message detail
Hang on guys, YI isn't getting close to 60% in Europe. It might not even beat CT considering that CT will probably double it worldwide. Chrono Trigger isn't Oregon Trail; even in Crono's darkest hour against Vincent, he still managed 41% on him, and Vincent is not only far stronger relative to Crono than YI is to CT, but he's also way way better at that time period than any Mario game could hope to be.

That said, more and more I think Yoshi's Island is going to impress here, because of the Mario name. Its competition is the kind that is probably ideal for the Mario name to shine through- 3 SNES RPGs that the kind of voters who would vote for something just because it has Mario in it haven't heard of.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/21/2009 4:09:13 PM | message detail
That can always happen of course. I agree.


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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/21/2009 4:30:00 PM | message detail
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As if Chrono Trigger needed the help, lol.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/21/2009 4:33:46 PM | message detail
Did somebody just paste Crono's art?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/21/2009 4:34:57 PM | message detail
epic fight between ness and maxim

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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/21/2009 4:35:03 PM | message detail
EarthBound with the pic advantage!

>_>

(I made it so if it wins I get to take credit!!!!!)

Also, wtf Chrono Trigger.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/21/2009 4:36:27 PM | message detail
That Yoshi's Island pic is horrendous.
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