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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 684

neonreaper | Posted 4/21/2009 12:54:03 PM | message detail
I sent an email to point out a very specific post I had made.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/21/2009 12:55:28 PM | message detail

From: Childproof | #249
XD Earthbound will be lucky not to get doubled by Yoshi's Island


Do you know how much it takes to double Earthbound?


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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/21/2009 12:55:45 PM | message detail
Really... RE2 has sales on RE even with the DS and GC remakes taken into account?

Hmm... good point. I think RE does overtake it when counting the remakes.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 4/21/2009 12:58:10 PM | message detail
Is there any particular reason we all seemed to assume that RE2 would be stronger than the original in the first place? I mean, there's really nothing to back that up as far as I know.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 4/21/2009 12:59:50 PM | message detail
The same reason we assumed DKC2 would be stronger than DKC, pretty much.
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voltch | Posted 4/21/2009 1:00:02 PM | message detail
RE2 had Leon,proven solid midcarder,RE may have had jill,but Chris...I mean chris,I've never played an RE game but even i can tell something's wrong bout him.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/21/2009 1:00:52 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1179

The original wins if we combine the two versions, but that's still a good showing from RE2.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/21/2009 1:01:22 PM | message detail
I think tonight's match is going to be a very good barometer of just how far franchise voting goes in this contest.

Seriously, who cares about SMW2?

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 4/21/2009 1:01:48 PM | message detail
A 6 year old poll where the original RE still wins doesn't look like promising evidence to me!
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/21/2009 1:01:56 PM | message detail
The same reason we assumed DKC2 would be stronger than DKC, pretty much.

Not really, since RE2 did have a sales advantage and better poll showings than the original. If anything, it was more a case of neglecting the Gamecube remake.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/21/2009 1:02:27 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | #258
I think tonight's match is going to be a very good barometer of just how far franchise voting goes in this contest.

Seriously, who cares about SMW2?


I agree wholeheartily. I still have a lot of confidence left in Earthbound, and the only factors that worry me are:

1) Franchise voting
2) Europe
3) Voters that don't like RPG's period
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 4/21/2009 1:06:08 PM | message detail
Stop assuming that support for any Mario or Zelda game is franchise voting. Yoshi's Island and Link's Awakening were both huge sellers that get a ton of love from fans.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/21/2009 1:06:56 PM | message detail
because of people that buy games cuz of the franchise imho
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 4/21/2009 1:08:09 PM | message detail
From: Mac Arrowny | #262
Stop assuming that support for any Mario or Zelda game is franchise voting. Yoshi's Island and Link's Awakening were both huge sellers that get a ton of love from fans.

It's KP. He's going to do anything he can to spin the Earthbound loss in a positive light.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 4/21/2009 1:08:19 PM | message detail
What people don't realize is that Lufia 2 is probably going to get 2nd in Europe.

YI could honestly break 60% there, maybe more.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/21/2009 1:08:59 PM | message detail
So far, we've had ten series with more than one entrant. Time to rank them in order of impressiveness:

Super Mario
The Legend of Zelda
Mario Kart
Final Fantasy
Donkey Kong
Metroid
Resident Evil
Castlevania
Mega Man
Sonic the Hedgehog

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ImplicitContent | Posted 4/21/2009 1:09:26 PM | message detail
people really need to stop bringing up europe like it matters for matches. its been around for the past few thousand years.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/21/2009 1:10:53 PM | message detail

From: ImplicitContent | #267
people really need to stop bringing up europe like it matters for matches. its been around for the past few thousand years.


monkey island
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 4/21/2009 1:11:12 PM | message detail
Zelda
Mario Kart
Mario
Final Fantasy

None of the others were terribly impressive.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 4/21/2009 1:11:37 PM | message detail
In terms of impressiveness?

Mario Kart
Donkey Kong
Legend of Zelda
Final Fantasy
Mario
Metroid





Castlevania
Resident Evil



Sonic the Hedgehog
Mega Man
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/21/2009 1:12:35 PM | message detail
Yoshi's Island is the apathetic Mario game, so like Pac-Man it'll do well tomorrow, but throw in another Mario game and watch it become crushed.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 4/21/2009 1:13:22 PM | message detail
Well it is true that North American voters seem to be making up a smaller percent of overall voters as time goes on. Used to be nearly 85% and now it's down to 75%
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/21/2009 1:13:48 PM | message detail
I'm trying to think of the last time I saw anyone care about Yoshi's Island.



Sales it may have, but love? No. How it does it comparisan to Chrono Trigger will tell us a good bit about franchise voting.

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 4/21/2009 1:14:54 PM | message detail
Plenty of people care about Yoshi's Island, stop being silly.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/21/2009 1:15:15 PM | message detail
Super Mario
The Legend of Zelda
Mario Kart (only SMK really impressed, MK64 did as expected)
Final Fantasy
Donkey Kong
Metroid
Castlevania
Resident Evil (though RE4 could change this)
Sonic the Hedgehog
Mega Man

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BGE2 - Today's Match: SM64 > Castlevania: SotN Points: 41/56
HaRRicH | Posted 4/21/2009 1:16:18 PM | message detail
Seriously, who cares about SMW2?

As somebody with CT > EB, SMW2:YI is easily my favorite game in the poll.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/21/2009 1:16:23 PM | message detail

From: KleenexTissue50 | #274
Plenty of people care about Yoshi's Island, stop being silly.


I'd just like to know why this is a guaranteed fact.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/21/2009 1:18:26 PM | message detail
Some people care about Yoshi's Island, obviously. Every game has some fans.

It's just far less than other Mario games. EB, although doomed to lose, probably has more people who really care about it than Yoshi's Island does.

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 4/21/2009 1:19:31 PM | message detail
You're probably right. I don't see how that maps to franchise voting, though.
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HaRRicH | Posted 4/21/2009 1:19:57 PM | message detail
Haha, I hear ya. I've just lost faith in the upset and wanted to defend a great game, though you're right that it's largely forgotten in the series.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/21/2009 1:20:02 PM | message detail
Yeah, that's pretty evident by how Earthbound performed in Virtual Console and even The List (as much as I hate to bring it up).
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/21/2009 1:21:27 PM | message detail
Speaking of series let's take a look at how many games each one has.

Mario - 10 (includes RPG, Kart)
Final Fantasy - 9 (includes FFT)
Zelda - 7
Metal Gear - 4
Grand Theft Auto - 4
Metroid - 3
Sonic - 3
Halo - 3
Pokemon - 3
Resident Evil – 3
Donkey Kong - 3 (includes DK arcade)
Super Smash Bros - 2
Street Fighter - 2
Castlevania - 2
Mega Man - 2
Chrono - 2
Kingdom Hearts - 2
The Elder Scrolls - 2
Half- Life – 2

Kind of interesting that GTA has 4 games while others only have 3 or 2.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/21/2009 1:22:26 PM | message detail
You're probably right. I don't see how that maps to franchise voting, though.

"Hey, look, a GameFAQs poll. Don't care for Chrono Trigger...never played EB...what's a Lufia II? Eh, I don't really care about Yoshi's Island either, but I might as well vote for it. It's Mario, after all."

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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/21/2009 1:23:33 PM | message detail
Or the worst case scenario,

"I do like Chrono Trigger...but I can't vote against a Mario game! Even if I haven't played it."

Yes I have seen people like this.

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charmander6000 | Posted 4/21/2009 1:23:38 PM | message detail
Wow SM64 has almost gone up by a quarter percent in the last 30 min.
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nintendogirl1 | Posted 4/21/2009 1:27:28 PM | message detail
Also, you better believe Yoshi's Island will get at least 65% of Europe tomorrow. Two games that never released over here and Lufia 2?

LOL.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 4/21/2009 1:28:42 PM | message detail
What about Chrono Trigger DS? That had to have had some Europe impact.

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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 4/21/2009 1:29:31 PM | message detail
FFIVDS won DS GotY in Europe.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/21/2009 1:31:05 PM | message detail
Yeah, Europe didn't seem to like CT that much for some erason. It flopped in all the Goty polls in europe
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/21/2009 1:33:58 PM | message detail
Not to mention that Crono did worse than TANNER in Europe.
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WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 4/21/2009 1:34:49 PM | message detail
To be fair, it's a port of a game nobody had heard of that received little-to-no advertising. Those who had heard of it had already emulated it.

And it's not really that fun to play on a DS.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/21/2009 1:34:53 PM | message detail
Super Mario
The Legend of Zelda
Mario Kart
Final Fantasy
Metroid
Donkey Kong
Mega Man
Castlevania
Sonic the Hedgehog
Resident Evil

Sonic isn't last because at least Sonic 1 looked somewhat good, although that may have been Street Fighter 2 sucking. Mario and Zelda have looked dominant, Mario Kart looked great in both it's matches. Final Fantasy looked decent. Metroid was fine but Super Metroid kind of choked against Mario Kart. DKC1 is the only Donkey Kong game that really impressed. Mega Man looked bad, but 3 and X looked fine. CV 3 was a joke and Symphony is disappointing here. Resident Evil is just garbage.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 4/21/2009 1:37:31 PM | message detail
CT doesn't do that bad in Europe. It's UK where he really flops. In the other European countries he does maybe 1-3% worse than the world average which ain't bad
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/21/2009 1:41:54 PM | message detail
CT doesn't do that bad in Europe. It's UK where he really flops. In the other European countries he does maybe 1-3% worse than the world average which ain't bad

Well UK represents 40% of Europe's votes.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/21/2009 1:43:39 PM | message detail
Mega Man looked bad, but 3 and X looked fine.

X lost a match the board thought it would win (and handily at that). MM2 bombed hard, barely cracking 56% on Pac-Man. The series is lucky MM3 did as expected, or else the series would be the biggest bust of the contest.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 4/21/2009 1:46:46 PM | message detail
Actually, according to the Oracle consensus, Mega Man X was almost exactly on target.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 4/21/2009 1:48:01 PM | message detail

From: KamikazePotato | Posted: 4/21/2009 4:13:48 PM | #273
I'm trying to think of the last time I saw anyone care about Yoshi's Island.


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Karma Hunter | Posted 4/21/2009 1:49:29 PM | message detail
The Oracle consensus is largely shaped by the ongoing contest results - and no one could ignore the writing on the wall that was MM2/MM3. The consensus will inevitably (imo, stupidly) shift in a monolithic fashion to whatever the bracket favorite is in an even slightly debated match, but the Oracle predicting MMX to disappoint is no great shock.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/21/2009 1:49:48 PM | message detail
Actually, according to the Oracle consensus, Mega Man X was almost exactly on target.

Maybe it could have combined that with a win.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 4/21/2009 1:51:02 PM | message detail
lol Mega Man anti-fanboys hating on something popular for "indie-cred".

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