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| trannyscience | Posted 4/21/2009 8:16:46 PM | message detail |
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Goldeneye vs. Majora's Mask who wins --- xyzzy http://i42.tinypic.com/2vbwhn4.jpg |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 4/21/2009 8:17:12 PM | message detail |
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Man, I just realized that between bracket votes and the Mario early vote I won't even get to see EB lead for a few seconds. Bah. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/ |
| ZFS | Posted 4/21/2009 8:17:32 PM | message detail |
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I don't doubt there was some favorites going on, but that still doesn't
mean it was all favorite voting. Of the games there, CT and EB were the
only big ones that people would really want to have on the VC -- cheap,
accessible console ports of those games would be big for anybody,
especially since most can't play them without emulating. Not buying
that being used to show EB's dedicated fanbase, or worse that it has
real contest strength, --- http://i44.tinypic.com/hwh4yo.gif |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/21/2009 8:17:54 PM | message detail |
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another thing people seem to forget abotu the VC poll its like what, 6 Square games all sffing eachother? Obviously the 2 nintendo games will look better against them --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png Starcraft >= Diablo 2 > The Lost Vikings 2 >> trash >>>> World of Warcraft |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/21/2009 8:18:16 PM | message detail |
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That's a tough one. I think right now I'll say Goldeneye, but I wouldn't be comfortable with it. --- http://gamebros.smackjeeves.com/ http://l33trappacat.smackjeeves.com/ |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/21/2009 8:18:48 PM | message detail |
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another thing people seem to forget abotu the VC poll its like what, 6 Square games all sffing eachother? Obviously the 2 nintendo games will look better against them And CT won in spite of that. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/21/2009 8:18:48 PM | message detail |
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if Super Mario RPG can come that close, Majora's Mask's got it. --- *is Dranze* BGE2 - Today: SM64 > SOTN - Points: 42/56 Vote: SM64 |
| trannyscience | Posted 4/21/2009 8:20:27 PM | message detail |
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I'm not completely sold on Majora's Mask > Super Mario RPG and I'm not sure why anybody else would be either. --- xyzzy http://i42.tinypic.com/2vbwhn4.jpg |
| MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/21/2009 8:20:54 PM | message detail |
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From: trannyscience | #458 because mario folds to link --- http://card.mygamercard.net/geothermal/blue/Albion+Hero.png Starcraft >= Diablo 2 > The Lost Vikings 2 >> trash >>>> World of Warcraft |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/21/2009 8:21:11 PM | message detail |
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And then again, that poll favors games that hadn't been remade. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 4/21/2009 8:24:24 PM | message detail |
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Mario RPG/Majora's Mask is debatable, but I think I'd lean Zelda for obvious reasons. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/21/2009 8:29:14 PM | message detail |
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Despite having far less overlap than DK. Let's not forget that point. I already mentioned my Ness/DK comparison was poor...as was calling Ness out on performing worse than Joanna Dark. Mario > Ness and SMW2:YI > EB are very different situations; Mario/Ness alone doesn't do the situation very much justice. it's sad when Earthbound's two arguments are that VC poll and The List. Those aren't things you want to be relying on here. I used those to point out EB's "strengths" while I also called SMW2:YI out on being weak. I then used the only immediate comparison we have asking for our favorite game with the Top 100 List, where EB killed SMW2:YI by forty-five spots. I didn't want to gamble that the Top 100 List means little enough between those two (even if they are arguably the most over/under-rated games on it strength-wise) that simply changing the format would reverse a gap that big. GoldenEye certainly didn't look as dominant as its VC poll suggested, unless you want to go the Mario RPG > Majora's Mask or Smash Bros. route. Very true, though we don't know much about GE's opponents (Is RE2 really stronger than RE1? Why did DKC2 fold when DKC held strong? How much SFF was in CT/SMRPG?) and we haven't seen any other games in the N64-VC poll yet. Holding judgment would probably be wise with that poll. Goldeneye vs. Majora's Mask who wins In a match pretty much with N64-fans, give me GE. Plus, there's that N64-VC poll...! Seriously though, GE. its like what, 6 Square games all sffing eachother? Obviously the 2 nintendo games will look better against them Five, and it's not really about how well EB did overall in that poll...it's that it killed SMK and MMX, both of which impressed so far, and EB did it despite five Square RPGs in the poll. It doesn't hurt that EB got ~22% in the poll, but that alone is almost useless to me. And then again, that poll favors games that hadn't been remade. Didn't help SMK a single bit. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| red sox 777 | Posted 4/21/2009 8:33:03 PM | message detail |
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Considering that EB ought to be hard pressed getting 22% on Chrono Trigger alone according to the 2004 stats, 22% is extremely impressive, 5-way LFF or not. --- Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/21/2009 8:33:23 PM | message detail |
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From: charmander6000 | #431 And now I realize that. I figured Axel was prominent enough that he would stand out. Now I realize Guitar Hero fans wouldn't come to this site to vote their character. It was still a way more logical upset than this one. ...and I for one bet against franchise-voting being a factor like 2004 (probably some others, too), so I took CT > EB. We've now seen that you don't want to bet against big franchise-games very often and Doom lost a match it should have won with some room to spare (darn u lff inconsistencies), so SMW2:YI definitely deserves to be the favorite. However, before the contest? Well, I'll just say it's nice to see you be especially aggressive about how wrong the prediction is now compared to before the lock-down. Franchise voting will die down now that we're getting into newer games. You have to realize that with the userbase getting younger relative to these old games, only the truly timeless games will hold up nowadays, while in 2004 we had room for niche classics to impress with lower, more "hardcore" votes. And I would have argued how wrong this upset is before the bracket lockdown but noone even mentioned it until a week into the contest. As for the Virtual Console polls that are constantly brought up, I will repeat: Those polls are dominated by games that haven't been remade out the ying-yang. Which is why CT and Earthbound did so good. Which is why Goldeneye dominated. You could have a VC poll with Mario 3, Earthbound, Final Fantasy Mystic Quest and Duck Hunt and Mario 3 will probably come in last due to how oversaturated it is. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/21/2009 8:34:35 PM | message detail |
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And I would take Majora's Mask in a heartbeat. People are criminally
underestimating it, and criminally Magus-style overestimating
Goldeneye. It would not surprise me in the least to see MK64 advance
there next round. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 4/21/2009 8:36:37 PM | message detail |
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I used those to point out EB's "strengths" while I also called
SMW2:YI out on being weak. I then used the only immediate comparison we
have asking for our favorite game with the Top 100 List, where EB
killed SMW2:YI by forty-five spots. I didn't want to gamble that the
Top 100 List means little enough between those two (even if they are
arguably the most over/under-rated games on it strength-wise) that
simply changing the format would reverse a gap that big. Yes, but The List favors a game like Earthbound, honestly. Big Mario fans are less likely to list Yoshi's Island at all because of how many other games they'd list first. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| MetricTrout | Posted 4/21/2009 8:37:03 PM | message detail |
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So much discussion on Earthbound. The real question tomorrow is how badly Chrono Trigger will bomb. --- http://thengamer.com/guru/bracket.php?id=147 |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/21/2009 8:37:35 PM | message detail |
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The average GameFAQser is too stupid to actually read the poll
question! They just look at the options and vote for the option they
like best, question be damned! This is why we'd see FF7 > OoT in the finals of a Worst. Game. Ever. contest, right? --- http://gamebros.smackjeeves.com/ http://l33trappacat.smackjeeves.com/ |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/21/2009 8:37:38 PM | message detail |
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Those polls are dominated by games that haven't been remade out the
ying-yang. Which is why CT and Earthbound did so good. Which is why
Goldeneye dominated. However, that didn't help Super Mario Kart one bit. --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| greatone10 | Posted 4/21/2009 8:38:49 PM | message detail |
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From: Fayt_Esteed | Posted: 4/21/2009 8:37:38 PM | #469 And who would honestly care about a Mario Kart remake/port? --- Donkey Kong Country 2's path to Best Game Ever '09. Not even 10%? What is wrong with you people? At least SMRPG and Goldeneye moved on. |
| WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 4/21/2009 8:38:51 PM | message detail |
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remade Y halo thar Mario Kart 64/DD/Wii --- http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j69/War13104/CenaJFrog.gif hey look i'm war and i'm stupid - WVI |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/21/2009 8:39:45 PM | message detail |
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Super Mario Kart is ancient, and the new games are such big
improvements that it doesn't matter. There's no reason to play SMK,
just like there's no reason to play Smash Brothers for example. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| greatone10 | Posted 4/21/2009 8:40:06 PM | message detail |
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From: WarThaNemesis2 | Posted: 4/21/2009 8:38:51 PM | #471 I wouldn't exactly call those remakes, but the fact that the games are so similar is exactly why the demand for Mario Kart ports isn't very high. --- Donkey Kong Country 2's path to Best Game Ever '09. Not even 10%? What is wrong with you people? At least SMRPG and Goldeneye moved on. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/21/2009 8:40:49 PM | message detail |
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Franchise voting will die down now that we're getting into newer
games. You have to realize that with the userbase getting younger
relative to these old games, only the truly timeless games will hold up
nowadays, while in 2004 we had room for niche classics to impress with
lower, more "hardcore" votes. Yeah, we've established that now. I also tried to bet on that with the earlier games when LFF wasn't in the way, but figured that factor would be dying out around this part of the bracket -- I mean, two of the top games of the site come from this time-period, so people should be familiar with the era. I would have argued how wrong this upset is before the bracket lockdown but noone even mentioned it until a week into the contest. It did get swept under the rug a bit, though I know I made it a point several times to talk about it. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/21/2009 8:42:58 PM | message detail |
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Well, I know for a fact I called it out when Bacon was asking for
re-submissions because I said DKC2 should have been put in Lufia's spot
to get rid of a horrendous piece of turbofodder and make the most
predictable match in the bracket interesting. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/21/2009 8:44:29 PM | message detail |
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Who's to say that DKC2 wouldn't have done badly there? --- "Here I go! Divine judgment for an evil soul! Sacred Penance! Rest in peace." - Estellise Sidos Heurassein, Tales of Vesperia |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 4/21/2009 8:45:16 PM | message detail |
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It may have, but it certainly would've done better than what it did. I
still wouldn't have taken it to advance over Yoshi's Island. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| Solid_Mike86 | Posted 4/21/2009 8:46:37 PM | message detail |
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Im still saying EB comes in 2nd behind CT. --- ***UNC TARHEELS 2008-2009 NCAA CHAMPIONS*** AKA Super Luigi. Go Hurricanes! CAR - 1 NJ - 1 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/21/2009 8:47:37 PM | message detail |
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| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/21/2009 8:48:35 PM | message detail |
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From: LeonhartFour | #477 With what we've seen, yeah, but pre-contest it would have been one of the most debated matches. I'm still pissed noone supported that topic I made. Instead of giving DKC2 a chance to round 2, and give us an interesting match where no interesting match was before, we get this garbage. Hell, if DKC2 was here, Earthbound would have then had a slightly remote chance of advancing. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/21/2009 8:49:57 PM | message detail |
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If Lufia 2 were replaced by DKC2, then maybe I could see Earthbound advancing. Still would pick YI as the favorite, but who knows. Plus we know now DKC2 is weak, but if you think about it, we won't know DKC2 sucks until the actual match. We'll have seen DKC impress, though, so the match would definitely at least seem like there's a lot of potential for upsets. --- http://gamebros.smackjeeves.com/ http://l33trappacat.smackjeeves.com/ |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/21/2009 8:51:39 PM | message detail |
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Super Mario Kart is ancient, and the new games are such big
improvements that it doesn't matter. There's no reason to play SMK,
just like there's no reason to play Smash Brothers for example. Oh, sequels count? Because LoZ:WW, LoZ:TP, LoZ:PH, and LoZ:MC came out after LoZ:MM...did those hurt LoZ:MM? Probably not. Because FF2-FF12 came out after FF1...did those hurt FF? Certainly not. Because MGS had a few games since the NES days...did those hurt MG? Please. Also, even with better sequels, you shouldn't discount that people will still like the original games -- look back at SM/SMK for proof. If Nintendo-fans vote for SMK there, it's weird that they don't vote for it in the SNES-VC poll anywhere close to EB. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/21/2009 8:54:41 PM | message detail |
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So how long does Earthbound lead over SMW2? --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls BGE2 - Today's Match: SM64 > Castlevania: SotN Points: 41/56 |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/21/2009 8:54:43 PM | message detail |
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The Zelda sequels and the FF sequels are different games though. You
play through the quests and enjoy the stories. Do you think there's as
high a demand for the original Gran Turismo as there is for the next
one? How about Madden '02? --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 4/21/2009 8:55:00 PM | message detail |
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In the VC polls, Final Fantasy lost to Battletoads. So yes, FF2-12 did seem to hurt the original quite a bit. --- http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j69/War13104/CenaJFrog.gif hey look i'm war and i'm stupid - WVI |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/21/2009 8:55:05 PM | message detail |
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From: charmander6000 | #483 3 seconds. It won't be leading very long. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/21/2009 8:55:20 PM | message detail |
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Majora's Mask is its own adventure that is radically different from
other games in its series, before and after, while Super Mario Kart's
sequels have the same gameplay with only added features and tracks,
with some sequels even including various tracks from the original. Two
completely different beasts. People can have played and enjoyed SMK,
but that doesn't mean they'd want to play it again when there's more
feature-rich versions available. It's much harder to replicate the
Majora's Mask experience in Wind Waker and so on. --- http://gamebros.smackjeeves.com/ http://l33trappacat.smackjeeves.com/ |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/21/2009 8:55:50 PM | message detail |
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From: WarThaNemesis2 | #485 No, having a remake released on every system hurt the original quite a bit. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 4/21/2009 8:56:58 PM | message detail |
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Shh....HaRR is supposed to point it out. --- http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j69/War13104/CenaJFrog.gif hey look i'm war and i'm stupid - WVI |
| charmander6000 | Posted 4/21/2009 8:57:42 PM | message detail |
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3 seconds. It won't be leading very long. Trust me the board vote is going to CT and Earthbound, it should lead for at least a minute or two. --- Board 8 BOP: http://www.freewebs.com/charmander6000/BGE2%20BOP.xls BGE2 - Today's Match: SM64 > Castlevania: SotN Points: 41/56 |
| red sox 777 | Posted 4/21/2009 8:58:05 PM | message detail |
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Time for the best game ever to dominate!!! --- Link he come to town to win the Gamefaqs Contests. |
| WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 4/21/2009 8:58:41 PM | message detail |
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I'm going to laugh if Trigger looks more like Magus than Crono. --- http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j69/War13104/CenaJFrog.gif hey look i'm war and i'm stupid - WVI |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/21/2009 8:58:44 PM | message detail |
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Let's finish this topic off before the match starts. --- http://gamebros.smackjeeves.com/ http://l33trappacat.smackjeeves.com/ |
| HaRRicH | Posted 4/21/2009 8:58:45 PM | message detail |
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Newer =/= better in strength though, and it's ignorant to say jumps
like SMK to MK64 or MK:DD to MKW or any combo of Mario Kart games is
like Madden '0_ to Madden '0_. There are still big differences people
recognize, and people still play MK-games here in large numbers. --- Prototype Shorthand, do you speak it?! |
| trannyscience | Posted 4/21/2009 8:58:56 PM | message detail |
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I'm expecting a CT bomb here. it won't be as obvious early on though because lol CT board vote. though it's also an overwhelming favourite and this board is stupid about Earthbound so eh, maybe it won't dominate early --- xyzzy http://i42.tinypic.com/2vbwhn4.jpg |
| M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/21/2009 8:59:02 PM | message detail |
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Lufia 2 > Earthbound gogogo --- http://gamebros.smackjeeves.com/ http://l33trappacat.smackjeeves.com/ |
| LeonhartFour | Posted 4/21/2009 8:59:05 PM | message detail |
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Oh, sequels count? Because LoZ:WW, LoZ:TP, LoZ:PH, and LoZ:MC came
out after LoZ:MM...did those hurt LoZ:MM? Probably not. Because
FF2-FF12 came out after FF1...did those hurt FF? Certainly not. Because
MGS had a few games since the NES days...did those hurt MG? Please. Big difference in the sequels to FF, MGS, and Zelda than the difference in Mario Kart sequels, you know. Just thought I'd point that out. --- http://www.court-records.net/animation/phoenix-superobjection.gif |
| Childproof | Posted 4/21/2009 8:59:07 PM | message detail |
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Earthbound should be around 20% at the freeze, then drop like rock à la Kirby Super Star --- Is GrapefruitKing Today's prediction: Crono 48.65% - waaah! waaah! 31.50% - fuzzy pickles 14.60% - Lufia II 5.25% Status: |
| ZFS | Posted 4/21/2009 8:59:13 PM | message detail |
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time for an earthbound bomb --- http://i44.tinypic.com/hwh4yo.gif |
| Solid_Mike86 | Posted 4/21/2009 8:59:20 PM | message detail |
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--- ***UNC TARHEELS 2008-2009 NCAA CHAMPIONS*** AKA Super Luigi. Go Hurricanes! CAR - 1 NJ - 1 |
