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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 683

Mumei | Posted 4/20/2009 6:37:22 PM | message detail
If Prime is stronger than Super Metroid (it's debatable, but I do favor Prime), I doubt it's by much, and I doubt the strengths of SMK and Mario Kart 64 vary that widely either. If Prime won that with more than 60%, I'd be very surprised.

What is it about Super Metroid and Metroid Prime that makes you doubt that the difference in their strength would be very much?

And when you say that, do you mean "55 - 45" or "52 - 48" or something else?

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/20/2009 6:39:52 PM | message detail
monster would be lucky to get 35% on metroid prime
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Mr3790 | Posted 4/20/2009 6:41:14 PM | message detail
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...RE looks horrible in this pic. 4th place confirmed.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/20/2009 6:41:18 PM | message detail
One reason I'd give Prime the edge is its status as one of the true defining games for its console. Melee, Prime, and RE4 are the three most universally beloved and acclaimed Gamecube titles, and by a pretty decent margin. While Super Metroid has its own legion of fans, it's also completely outclassed by the SNES Zelda and Mario offerings (in addition to a few more SNES games, as well).
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MetricTrout | Posted 4/20/2009 6:41:27 PM | message detail
Well, Half-Life has a static fanbase which allows it to get a certain number of votes on any fanbase. The worst Gordon has ever done is 17.82%, and since Half-Life > Gordon Freeman, let us assume Half-Life gets about 20%.

That would mean that OoT would have to score about 62.5% on the combined forces of FF9 and Chrono Cross. In comparison, FF7 is scoring about 59% on the combined forces of Mario Kart and Star Fox.

So the question lies, which pack is stronger, FF9 + Chrono Cross or Mario Kart + Star Fox? I think we can safely assume FF9 > Mario Kart and Star Fox > Chrono Cross, but combined, it is pretty hard to say.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 4/20/2009 6:42:07 PM | message detail
redrocket | Posted 4/20/2009 7:15:14 PM | message detail
So did I miss Mario Kart Wii being a big hit?



Err, it's sold 5.9 million in America, continues to sell another 300k every month, and is already the best selling Kart game ever both in America and worldwide despite not even being a year old.

So, yes?

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/20/2009 6:42:30 PM | message detail
RE better double Kirby if it knows what's good for it.
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/20/2009 6:47:22 PM | message detail
I've got Mario 64 > SOTN, but I'm hoping for M64 > Kirby Superstar
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MetricTrout | Posted 4/20/2009 6:50:54 PM | message detail
redrocket | Posted 4/20/2009 7:15:14 PM | message detail
So did I miss Mario Kart Wii being a big hit?


Err, it's sold 5.9 million in America, continues to sell another 300k every month, and is already the best selling Kart game ever both in America and worldwide despite not even being a year old.

So, yes?


On track to being the best-selling racing game period (and according to vgchartz, it already is!)
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/20/2009 6:59:00 PM | message detail

From: M_e_g_a_6_4 | #427
I think there's a combination of Mario Kart increasing and Mega Man decreasing.


2006 was already a bad year for Mega Man, and we've never seen Mario Kart before (dunno why it'd increase when 2006 was *the* best time for Nintendo almost).
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Mumei | Posted 4/20/2009 7:00:07 PM | message detail
monster would be lucky to get 35% on metroid prime

i will cut you

One reason I'd give Prime the edge is its status as one of the true defining games for its console. Melee, Prime, and RE4 are the three most universally beloved and acclaimed Gamecube titles, and by a pretty decent margin. While Super Metroid has its own legion of fans, it's also completely outclassed by the SNES Zelda and Mario offerings (in addition to a few more SNES games, as well).

That's essentially the place I'm coming from.

On track to being the best-selling racing game period (and according to vgchartz, it already is!)

Even better than the Gran Turismo games? Wow.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/20/2009 7:02:07 PM | message detail
As for Metroid Prime vs Super Metroid.. I honestly feel like that can't be too far apart for it to matter.
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ZFS | Posted 4/20/2009 7:07:44 PM | message detail
Yeah, I wouldn't expect much of a gap between Super Metroid and Metroid Prime, regardless of which is stronger. The only real advantage to Prime there is it's more recent and it's on a system that has very few good games -- but this almost goes back to the 'top 5 NES game means more than top 10 SNES game.'

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MetricTrout | Posted 4/20/2009 7:18:22 PM | message detail
2006 was already a bad year for Mega Man, and we've never seen Mario Kart before (dunno why it'd increase when 2006 was *the* best time for Nintendo almost).

There can be no other reason than a massive Mario Kart Wii boost!
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SonicRaptor | Posted 4/20/2009 7:59:02 PM | message detail
After watching Super Metroid nearly lose to SMK, I'm more than convinced it has dropped and has Prime biting at it's heels.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/20/2009 8:01:12 PM | message detail
Now watch Paper Mario beat Metroid Prime.
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Solid_Mike86 | Posted 4/20/2009 8:02:13 PM | message detail
If Paper Mario beat Metroid Prime i will ****ing RAGE.
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SonicRaptor | Posted 4/20/2009 8:03:11 PM | message detail

From: M_e_g_a_6_4 | #466
Now watch Paper Mario beat Metroid Prime.


I'm pretty sure Paper Mario doesn't have a fanbase within Mario.

Super Paper Mario hit the wall pretty hard.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 4/20/2009 8:04:15 PM | message detail
Hey Dranze, you messed up your Oracle pick for tomorrow, might wanna fix that.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/20/2009 8:04:27 PM | message detail
Match XV: Castlevania: Symphony of the Night vs. Kirby Super Star vs. Resident Evil vs. Super Mario 64

Information:

Name: Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
Year: 1997
System: PS
2004 Performance: 53.18% against Perfect Dark, 40.72% against GoldenEye 007

Name: Kirby Super Star
Year: 1996
System: SNES
2004 Performance: Did not enter

Name: Resident Evil
Year: 1997
System: PS
2004 Performance: 29.38% against Metal Gear Solid

Name: Super Mario 64
Year: 1996
System: N64
2004 Performance: 84.83% against NiGHTS into Dreams..., 23.74% against LoZ: Ocarina of Time

Analysis

Unlike today’s match most of the games here were in the previous contest. Also these games are considered the favourite or highly ranked in each respected series. There is potential for an upset here, but like the rest of the matches in this division we are expected to go through consensus and have relatively boring matches.

It was a shame that Super Mario 64 was stuck facing the one better game on the Nintendo 64. Ocarina of Time outclassed that game in every way and with so much potential Super Mario 64 could’ve had a decent run. Well I’ve always thought that Super Mario 64 was the second strongest Mario game and I guess there is no better way to prove it than to watch it crush some opponents and put up some respectable numbers against Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy VII.

On the other hand Kirby Super Star will be the game that will get under 10% in this match. Not only is it unlucky enough to get Super Mario 64 as an opponent, but in my opinion the Kirby series is rather weak and like Star Fox I see Kirby getting a rather large portion of its strength from the Super Smash Bros. series.

There were some debates of whether or not Resident Evil could upset SotN, but after watching Resident Evil 2 fold rather easily many of those people went quiet. While Resident Evil could have been SFF by Metal Gear Solid and SotN is probably weaker now than when it was back in 2004 it is still a large gap to jump for Resident Evil. Also after watching GoldenEye 60/40 Resident Evil 2 with SMRPG and DCK2 in the poll Castlevania would really need to flop for Resident Evil to win.

While Alucard has gone downhill since his glory days of 2002 and 2003 I believe that Symphony of the Night has enough strength to defeat Resident Evil. However after watching Castlevania III flop to Civilization I wouldn’t be surprised if SotN found a way to lose. Still after seeing GoldenEye get about the same on Resident Evil 2 that it did against SotN it would have to be a flop of epic proportions. Maybe that’s Alucard’s plan.

Another boring match, another day closer to the epic division five and beyond, hopefully Super Mario 64 is able to show that it is indeed the second strongest Mario game by looking decent in this match. Symphony of the Night should easily walk past Resident Evil while Kirby Super Star will continue the trend of failing to get 10%.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Super Mario 64 > Castlevania: Symphony of the Night

charmander6000’s Prediction: Super Mario 64 – 44.73%, Castlevania: SotN – 26.63%, Resident Evil – 19.52%, Kirby Super Star – 9.12%

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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/20/2009 8:05:03 PM | message detail
That's because Super Paper Mario sucked.
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Solid_Mike86 | Posted 4/20/2009 8:12:30 PM | message detail
I really hope it's Prime > VC. Two of my favorite games of all time.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/20/2009 8:16:15 PM | message detail
However, GTA has been on a decline since God knows when...And I have trouble thinking seeing Kingdom Hearts failing to advance.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/20/2009 8:17:04 PM | message detail
Dammit, I meant I have trouble seeing*

GameFAQS really needs an edit button.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/20/2009 8:17:48 PM | message detail

From: KleenexTissue50 | #469
Hey Dranze, you messed up your Oracle pick for tomorrow, might wanna fix that.


Thanks for that. Phew. What an embarrassment that would have been!
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 4/20/2009 8:19:58 PM | message detail
charmander6000’s Prediction: Super Mario 64 – 44.73%, Castlevania: SotN – 26.63%, Resident Evil – 19.52%, Kirby Super Star – 9.12%

I don't see Kirby Super Star being able to drop percentages of less than 10% here, not after Kirby's monster performance in the last character battle (defeating Sonic and being eliminated in the semifinals while defeating an SFFed Sephiroth). Plus, Kirby Super Star should be packing a serious board vote here just as Kirby did in the last character battle.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/20/2009 8:23:54 PM | message detail
I don't see Kirby Super Star being able to drop percentages of less than 10% here, not after Kirby's monster performance in the last character battle (defeating Sonic and being eliminated in the semifinals while defeating an SFFed Sephiroth). Plus, Kirby Super Star should be packing a serious board vote here just as Kirby did in the last character battle.

Who's to say that Kirby wasn't bandwagoned? I have trouble seeing him threaten Sonic one-on-one. Plus, I think Kirby's games are weak and the bulk of Kirby's support comes from Smash Bros.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 4/20/2009 8:25:06 PM | message detail
There's no way Kirby doesn't fall apart with the mother of Nintendo platformers competing with him, being a mere secondary Nintendo platformer.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/20/2009 8:26:11 PM | message detail
There's no way Kirby doesn't fall apart with the mother of Nintendo platformers competing with him, being a mere secondary Nintendo platformer.

This. Why would Kirby Super Star do good with Super Mario 64 in the poll???
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/20/2009 8:27:01 PM | message detail
For the record, there IS this Metroid poll from 2004:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1528

Metroid Prime has no excuse not to win that poll outright, honestly.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 4/20/2009 8:27:05 PM | message detail
Who's to say that Kirby wasn't bandwagoned?

Kirby isn't the character that I could see as being able to get bandwagoned easily.

I have trouble seeing him threaten Sonic one-on-one.

Sonic sucks in 4-ways and you should know that by now.

Plus, I think Kirby's games are weak and the bulk of Kirby's support comes from Smash Bros.

This is the best Kirby game we are talking about here. If it's above 20% at the first 5 minute freeze, then it definitely won't be finishing below 10%.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/20/2009 8:30:08 PM | message detail
Besides, somebody has to get below 10% in this poll.

>_>
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Solid_Mike86 | Posted 4/20/2009 8:30:30 PM | message detail
If that poll was taken today, I honestly think Metroid Prime would finish first.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/20/2009 8:31:20 PM | message detail
Metroid Prime might finish first now. The poll should be taken with a grain of salt, but nevertheless.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 4/20/2009 8:32:34 PM | message detail
Prime was still fairly new at the time of the poll, while Super was already a decade old. Aging should've affected Prime much more drastically...and it was 5 2D Metroids against 1 3D Metroid, Super should really have suffered from huge LFF.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/20/2009 8:32:46 PM | message detail
This is the best Kirby game we are talking about here. If it's above 20% at the first 5 minute freeze, then it definitely won't be finishing below 10%.

Even so... Kirby lost to Metroid in the series contest - the same Metroid that struggled hardcore with Pokemon.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 4/20/2009 8:34:10 PM | message detail
There's no way Kirby doesn't fall apart with the mother of Nintendo platformers competing with him, being a mere secondary Nintendo platformer.

Metroid already resisted SFF against Zelda. So did Super Metroid (against Super Mario Kart). In this contest, Nintendo games are resisting SFF pretty well. The only matches that I think had any actual SFF were the ones where Sonic 3 and MMX bombed.

Besides, somebody has to get below 10% in this poll.

It can't always happen. There's even been matches were no one finishes below 20%, though those are rare.
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/20/2009 8:35:51 PM | message detail
Bold Prediction: Metroid Prime finishes in last place.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/20/2009 8:36:24 PM | message detail

From: Fayt_Esteed | #486
This is the best Kirby game we are talking about here. If it's above 20% at the first 5 minute freeze, then it definitely won't be finishing below 10%.

Even so... Kirby lost to Metroid in the series contest - the same Metroid that struggled hardcore with Pokemon.


And Mario Kart lost to Mega Man.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/20/2009 8:36:43 PM | message detail
It can't always happen. There's even been matches were no one finishes below 20%, though those are rare.

13/14 matches had an entrant below 10% so far in this contest.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/20/2009 8:37:04 PM | message detail

From: red sox 777 | #488
Bold Prediction: Metroid Prime finishes in last place.


I love Metroid Prime, but it'd be hilarious to see this topic if this happened.

Plus it means Paper Mario would be beating something!
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 4/20/2009 8:39:51 PM | message detail
13/14 matches had an entrant below 10% so far in this contest.

Yeah, but these matches have involved really old games. There are a lot of old games that no one really cares about, so they perform like crap. Once we get into the later divisions, this won't be occuring too often. Or when we get into the later rounds of the contest (round 2 and later).
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 4/20/2009 8:40:22 PM | message detail
13/14 matches had an entrant below 10% so far in this contest.

This. I wouldn't be surprised to see wither KSS or RE do just that.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/20/2009 8:41:09 PM | message detail
How many matches in the 07/08 character contests had a participant under 10%?
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/20/2009 8:41:17 PM | message detail
Mario Kart did poorly in the series contest because it isn't much of a series.

Notice that for the most part, historical series that are the roots of gaming did a lot better than smaller or newer series. The only exceptions seems to be Smash, which did get its ass kicked by Mario. Look at Castlevania beating Halo for proof.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/20/2009 8:41:35 PM | message detail
Yeah, but these matches have involved really old games. There are a lot of old games that no one really cares about, so they perform like crap. Once we get into the later divisions, this won't be occuring too often. Or when we get into the later rounds of the contest (round 2 and later).

We may not see a game in last place above 10% until Xenogears.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/20/2009 8:41:57 PM | message detail
Make that from Round 1 since it's probably not as important to know for Rounds 2 on.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/20/2009 8:42:21 PM | message detail
KSS falling below 10% wouldn't surprise me. It seems like it's going to be another DKC2 to me. It'll have like high 9% or something, but Board 8 loves it disproportionately to how much everyone else does.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/20/2009 8:42:37 PM | message detail
Play FFX
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redrocket | Posted 4/20/2009 8:42:44 PM | message detail
Play Mother 3.

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