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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 682

BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/19/2009 9:01:27 AM | message detail
Hey, looks like I was right about Europe voting for the worst game in the poll.

Guess that mean they overwhelmingly supported RE2 today, and will back Suikoden tomorrow.
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trannyscience | Posted 4/19/2009 9:02:01 AM | message detail
RE2 and RE4 have very little to do with each other.

SOTN vs. RE1 is all about SOTN and has little to do with RE1. if SOTN bombs RE1 has a chance, but it was always a huge upset pick.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/19/2009 9:03:47 AM | message detail
I think Europe will factor for Mario/FF7 a lot more than Suikoden.
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/19/2009 9:13:03 AM | message detail
The FF7 Total Domination Zone (4-6 AM) will be nice tonight/tomorrow morning. This is the time that Zack Fair got a 57% hour against Mario, so let's see how high FF7 can go against Mario Kart and Star Fox.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/19/2009 9:17:21 AM | message detail
So what is FF7 expected to get tomorrow? 55-60% seems like a decent range, maybe even a bit higher than that.
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trannyscience | Posted 4/19/2009 9:33:25 AM | message detail
that's a bit high... possible, I guess.
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Master Moltar | Posted 4/19/2009 9:39:36 AM | message detail
Great recovery for RE2 over night. At least now it's doing around what most expected.

Goldeneye needs to go up more imo. I know i predicted only 36% for it but I still was hoping to see it a couple percent higher =(
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/19/2009 9:42:28 AM | message detail

From: trannyscience | #406
that's a bit high... possible, I guess.


Well, I figured FF7 getting below 50% would be pretty embarrassing. I don't think MK64 or SF64 will be powerhouses, though they'll still put up a decent showing. It's FF7, so I'm expecting it to put up some dominant numbers.
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ffmasterjose | Posted 4/19/2009 9:42:32 AM | message detail
So is today's match the first one without complete turbofodder?
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MnMZero | Posted 4/19/2009 9:42:45 AM | message detail
I took RE over SotN for second place. It's not like Castlevania is on an upswing on this site. Alucard has been looking pretty bad as of late. I'd say it's a viable upset choice.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/19/2009 9:46:36 AM | message detail

From: ffmasterjose | #409
So is today's match the first one without complete turbofodder?


http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3447
Also arguably DKC/Doom/SoR2/LttP, since I think SoR2's more regular fodder than turbo-fodder.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/19/2009 9:53:14 AM | message detail
I'm sure FF will get in the 50's. It already stomped Suikoden before and Mario/Star Fox will be split ever so slightly possibly.
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Mumei | Posted 4/19/2009 9:54:06 AM | message detail
So what is FF7 expected to get tomorrow? 55-60% seems like a decent range, maybe even a bit higher than that.

The Oracle consensus so far seems to be ~55 - 56% for FFVII, so looks like that is within people's current expectations.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/19/2009 9:55:26 AM | message detail
I would be surprised if FF7 gets below 60%
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/19/2009 10:03:12 AM | message detail
Why is that? I mean, from a statistical point of view of course; not because it's FF7.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/19/2009 10:07:31 AM | message detail
Because its a against a crap rpg and two lower tier n64 games
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/19/2009 10:12:35 AM | message detail
MK64 is hardly low tier if the SNES version can keep up with Super Metroid. I doubt it'd get tripled 1vs1 against FF.

I'm not so sure about Star Fox however, but I'm sure there are plenty of enough Nintendo to go around to keep FF7 from dominating that much.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/19/2009 10:13:42 AM | message detail
I would take FF7 to triple Super Metroid.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/19/2009 10:14:07 AM | message detail
or double at the VERY least. Maybe triple is a bit much.
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/19/2009 10:15:50 AM | message detail
For FF7 to get 60%, it realistically has to triple Mario Kart. Granted, Mario Kart and Star Fox should LFF some, but that's still a very tall order.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/19/2009 10:17:13 AM | message detail
If both Star Fox and Mario Kart 64 can avoid a quadrupling 1vs1, FF7 won't be hitting 60%+
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/19/2009 10:19:08 AM | message detail
FF7: 60%
Mario Kart: 22%
Star Fox: 14%
Suikoden: 4%


That doesn't seem too far off to me.
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creativename | Posted 4/19/2009 10:19:58 AM | message detail
Very happy to see Goldeneye doing so well. Amazing game, truly one of the GOATs.

RE2 doing expectedish. Doesn't say much about the the contest hopes of the franchise.

DKC2...ok, something like this is what I expected from DKC1 against LttP. How the hell did DKC1 get tripled by Link to the Past, yet DKC2 is doing even worse against SMRPG? LttP would probably double SMRPG (indirectly).

If DKC and DKC2 are that far apart, that's gotta be one of the biggest differences in direct sequels we've seen where there wasn't something obvious like a massive difference in sales and renown or something.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/19/2009 10:21:03 AM | message detail
Its like DKC2 for some reason is more susceptible to sff then dKC1.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/19/2009 10:22:24 AM | message detail
Mario Kart 64 would do much better than a tripling against FF7 today.

Your Star Fox percentage sounds like an SFF'd one, which I suppose is fine..

and Suikoden isn't going to do THAT bad. It managed 14% against it 1vs1 and it's pit up against two LFFing N64 games. It's not going to do THAT bad.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/19/2009 10:23:33 AM | message detail
If PS4 managed 4% against a FF6 sff beatdown, I don't see any reason to expect Suikoden to do any better.

Suikoden II (2004g) VS Phantasy Star IV (2004g)

Suikoden II has a strength of 15.81.
Phantasy Star IV has a strength of 12.73.

Suikoden II wins with 59.74% of the vote!
A win of 19,111 with 98,097 total votes cast.


Suikoden 2 > Suikoden 1, and FF7 > FF6
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/19/2009 10:25:26 AM | message detail
60% would be big. FFVII is the big favorite to repeat and for good reasons, but I don't think it can manage Mario-style blowouts.

I've been thinking about this, and I'm starting to believe FFVII lucked out a bit by having LttP as a near-lock to join it in the finals. It's still the strongest game here, but if the characters are any indication, it should get off to very slow starts, especially when up against big-name Nintendo stuff (OoT, LttP). In 2004, matches started at midnight, so the "power hour" never existed. Last year, and in this zany format, we saw how a bad power hour start could give even Cloud a ton of trouble.

Basically, think about it:

-Final match
-FFVII vs. Ocarina vs. two neutral sheep
-Ocarina ends the first hour with a big lead
-Do the Nintendo fans let that slip away?
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creativename | Posted 4/19/2009 10:25:57 AM | message detail
The endless barrage of classic Star Fox 64 quotes should be fun :)

I kinda feel like playing that game, haven't in ages. No idea where it would even be though.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/19/2009 10:26:21 AM | message detail
the Suikoden's aren't going to make *that* much of a difference.

And you can't possibly compare PSIV to Suikoden like that. Link's Awakening and Mega Man X also come into play.
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trannyscience | Posted 4/19/2009 10:26:41 AM | message detail
I don't think Nintendo fans can delay the inevitable. see: Zelda/Vincent or god knows what else.

I know, this is a different ballgame, but they're just individual voters, not some concentrated army.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/19/2009 10:29:26 AM | message detail
obscure old jrpgs against top final fantasy rpgs = ouch
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/19/2009 10:31:59 AM | message detail
I don't think Nintendo fans can delay the inevitable. see: Zelda/Vincent or god knows what else.

Well, we have two very recent and prevalent examples where it wasn't inevitable. Snake may have been mystery-boosted in the finals, but he beat Cloud twice. If Snake can do it, I figure something like Ocarina could at least show us a good fight. Shame about LttP and FFX and whatever else might make it that would skew the results.

I think we can all agree that Bacon needs to forego the joke post-contest 4way this year and just give us FFVII vs. Ocarina.
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/19/2009 10:32:11 AM | message detail
Nah, trends really don't matter as far as strength is concerned. A weaker power hour just means that FFVII rises more now than it did before, unless you're saying that the midnight start time makes bandwagoning more possible, which I suppose is possible. OOT isn't exactly the kind of game that gets bandwagoned either- for the people who do that kind of thing, it's like a lesser of two evils.
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creativename | Posted 4/19/2009 10:32:12 AM | message detail
If the finals are as expected, it might just come down to whether FFX or LttP collapses more epically. That's 4ways for you.

Both games' fans will jump ship, but who'll jump ship in more devastating fashion? As games, LttP/OoT have more similarity in terms of characters plot etc. than FF7/FFX, which might be an edge for OoT. But when dealing with same fanbase stuff like this it's pretty tough to predict with any confidence.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/19/2009 10:33:33 AM | message detail
I think we can all agree that Bacon needs to forego the joke post-contest 4way this year and just give us FFVII vs. Ocarina.

He BETTER do this. There would be no excuse not to.
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trannyscience | Posted 4/19/2009 10:34:08 AM | message detail
LTTP/OOT vs. FF7/FF10 is advantage FF7. LTTP/OOT is 2d vs. 3d; FF7 vs. FF10 is pretty much the same thing. FF7 should be able to drive FF10 into the ground -- see any match involving Auron and FF7. LTTP has a very strong base that won't abandon it though. see any favourite Zelda game poll and compare it to FF10's performance on FF7 in the same thing.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/19/2009 10:35:13 AM | message detail
I got SMB3/FF7/OoT/FFX, and OoT > FF7
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creativename | Posted 4/19/2009 10:35:24 AM | message detail
unless you're saying that the midnight start time makes bandwagoning more possible, which I suppose is possible.

This could well be true. With 3am start times, the devoted contest followers were in bed. Now a lot of people obviously stay up for the poll start, and these people are much more likely to bandwagon - when otherwise they would not have. It does make sense.


OOT isn't exactly the kind of game that gets bandwagoned either- for the people who do that kind of thing, it's like a lesser of two evils.

There is nothing that people on this site will bandwagon against quicker than FF7.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/19/2009 10:36:31 AM | message detail
I can't see any way that Ocarina would drain LttP more. FFVII already brutalizes X in those favorite polls, while LttP managed to hold its own. If push came to shove, I can see the FVII/X split going 80/20.
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creativename | Posted 4/19/2009 10:37:21 AM | message detail
If SMB3 and FFX are there I don't see how OoT can win. SMB3 will hurt it more than LttP, and neither FF7 nor OoT has the breathing room for anything like that.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/19/2009 10:37:35 AM | message detail
You know realistically every Mario/Zelda/Final Fantasy game can make it to the next round except for Paper Mario (though FFIX and FFXII will have some troubles)
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red sox 777 | Posted 4/19/2009 10:38:04 AM | message detail
Yeah, but there's 2 other games in the poll, so they don't have to bandwagon for OOT. If people had really wanted to see Link fall last year, they should have bandwagoned behind Cloud, but they chose Snake instead. OOT may not be quite the same situation, but if there's any non-FF/Zelda game in that poll, I expect it to be the biggest beneficiary of any bandwagon.
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trannyscience | Posted 4/19/2009 10:44:06 AM | message detail
that said, I fully expect there to be some weird fourth entrant here. if anything gets bandwagoned, it won't take much to upend FF10.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/19/2009 10:45:10 AM | message detail
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/19/2009 10:49:19 AM | message detail
Hm... RE2 currently has 40% on MGS.

Good/bad?
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trannyscience | Posted 4/19/2009 10:50:25 AM | message detail
these comparisons to 1v1 matches always look bad for the favourite. always.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/19/2009 10:50:31 AM | message detail
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/19/2009 10:56:19 AM | message detail
Hm... RE2 currently has 40% on GE.

Good/bad?


Good plus it kills off the chance for RE > SotN. SotN really has to flop on Tuesday.
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creativename | Posted 4/19/2009 11:00:53 AM | message detail
I think SOTN and RE will be close.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/19/2009 11:13:27 AM | message detail
It'll still be close, just that RE won't be ahead.
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