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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 681

MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/18/2009 6:23:12 PM | message detail

From: MyWorldIsCrono | #395
In 4ways, it would without question.


And the only evidence you have of this is a mediocre Mewtwo, and a Pikachu that has the smash fanbase.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 4/18/2009 6:23:56 PM | message detail
And also theres a reason it took 7 contests to get Mewtwo in. He's not the face of Pokemon, nor a very popular pokemon at all compared to Pikachu.

Pikachu only got into the 2002 contest because Ceej put him there, and only got into 2003 because people remembered him from 2002. He promptly failed both times and wasn't able to get back into the contests until - surprise, surprise! - he AND Mewtwo made it in 2007.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/18/2009 6:24:48 PM | message detail
And then Pikachu did what Mewtwon't.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 6:24:48 PM | message detail
Having both pokemon becoming relevant in 4ways and Ramza being LAHARL strength after being a mid carder in 2003 scares me from putting any faith in FFT in that match.
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paulg235 | Posted 4/18/2009 6:25:33 PM | message detail
GSC seems like it has the STF between three sony games, and being the only nintendo game of a very popular franchise, I don't see it not placing in Round 1.

I'm in the favour of MGS>>GSC>FFT>>>>>>DE
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/18/2009 6:25:43 PM | message detail
It scares you because you're looking at characters only.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 6:25:50 PM | message detail

From: Karma Hunter | #402
And also theres a reason it took 7 contests to get Mewtwo in. He's not the face of Pokemon, nor a very popular pokemon at all compared to Pikachu.

Pikachu only got into the 2002 contest because Ceej put him there, and only got into 2003 because people remembered him from 2002. He promptly failed both times and wasn't able to get back into the contests until - surprise, surprise! - he AND Mewtwo made it in 2007.


And that can be argued that Pikachu wasn't getting in due to the Pokemon hate... aka, anti voted to hell against Xenogears. Now, Pokemon isn't hated as much so people don't mind nominating him.
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plasmabeam | Posted 4/18/2009 6:26:23 PM | message detail
Final Fantasy Tactics >>>>>> Ramza

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/18/2009 6:26:35 PM | message detail
Also note that Pikachu started getting in 128 brackets isn't really a good sign, either.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/18/2009 6:26:40 PM | message detail
Deus Ex is a Sony game?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 6:26:41 PM | message detail

From: MarioSuperstar | #406
It scares you because you're looking at characters only.


And this generally works in terms of characters/games getting stronger or weaker over time.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/18/2009 6:27:52 PM | message detail
Yes, it generally worked for DKC and Mega Man. you're right.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/18/2009 6:27:56 PM | message detail

From: MarioSuperstar | #409
Also note that Pikachu started getting in 128 brackets isn't really a good sign, either.


Another reason why 4-ways are so awesome! Without them, we wouldn't have had the pleasure of witnessing Pikachu on steroids!
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/18/2009 6:29:14 PM | message detail

From: MarioSuperstar | #412
Yes, it generally worked for DKC and Mega Man. you're right.


But that line of thinking did a good job predicting that Sonic's games would suck as horribly as Sonic himself!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 6:29:24 PM | message detail

From: MarioSuperstar | #412
Yes, it generally worked for DKC and Mega Man. you're right.


Mega Man didn't have any games in last contest, so we don't know if it did. And DKC didn't have any games in last contest, so same thing.

Sonic 2 however, seems weaker, just like Sonic the character.
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paulg235 | Posted 4/18/2009 6:29:31 PM | message detail
Deus Ex is a Sony game?

I don't know jack squat about the game so I wouldn't know so I'm guessing here, but I doubt it was on the gamecube...

(Please don't tell me DE actually was released on the gamecube >.>)
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/18/2009 6:29:39 PM | message detail
I have almost 100% confidence in FFT not placing in that particular match

Any particular reason? I can't think of a reason it WON'T place.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/18/2009 6:30:02 PM | message detail
Deus Ex is a PC game, if I'm not mistaken.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 6:30:43 PM | message detail
Deus Ex is a PC game that won better Goty awards, and later was released on ps2 in a crappy downgraded port version.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/18/2009 6:30:57 PM | message detail

From: paulg235 | #416
Deus Ex is a Sony game?

I don't know jack squat about the game so I wouldn't know so I'm guessing here, but I doubt it was on the gamecube...

(Please don't tell me DE actually was released on the gamecube >.>)


PC, actually.

I still need to play it one of these days. FPS/RPG hybrid sounds pretty damn fun.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/18/2009 6:31:15 PM | message detail

From: MyWorldIsCrono | #415
From: MarioSuperstar | #412
Yes, it generally worked for DKC and Mega Man. you're right.

Mega Man didn't have any games in last contest, so we don't know if it did. And DKC didn't have any games in last contest, so same thing.

Sonic 2 however, seems weaker,


We don't know this.

You're still ignoring the fact that even if Ramza gets weaker, his game won't take the hit to the same extent and also the fact that Pikachu is NOT a representative of G/S/C.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 6:32:01 PM | message detail
I'm not saying FFT will fall the same amount of strength as Ramza did. But its silly to think it'll be the same strength it was in 2004, even if just a little weaker.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/18/2009 6:33:06 PM | message detail
Square in general is a little weaker compared to 2004, but I still don't see any reason to doubt FFT would place. I could never see G/S within striking distance of MGS.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/18/2009 6:33:06 PM | message detail
Too bad we didn't have the BGE contest last year, or we could've seen Tetris win it all due to L-Block's victory!
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/18/2009 6:34:53 PM | message detail
Debating random **** regardless of sides is fun, but I need to catch up on Meeplelard's FE4 Let's Play before the next match, which will hopefully not suck.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/18/2009 6:35:32 PM | message detail
FF8 may have hate, but FF9 has this stingering "released near the end of the console" factor.

Being released near a console's lifespan has never really hurt any other games. I mean, look at Chrono Trigger. FF9 was such a departure from the formula FF7 and 8 had that all the new fans of the series were seriously put off by it, and a lot of the old fans just plain hated the cartoonish childishness of the game.

lol ff9
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ZFS | Posted 4/18/2009 6:37:21 PM | message detail
I've got no faith in Pokemon games doing anything, but even if I did, it's still going to be up against Final Fantasy. Give me Tactics there every time.

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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/18/2009 6:38:40 PM | message detail
FF9 was such a departure from the formula FF7 and 8 had that all the new fans of the series were seriously put off by it

Stop talking.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 6:39:04 PM | message detail
Who would you think would win?

Final Fantasy Tactics vs. Super Metroid
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MetricTrout | Posted 4/18/2009 6:42:02 PM | message detail
Pokemon GSC > FFT is pretty obvious to me.

Pokemon is so much stronger right now than in 2004, and it just keeps getting stronger. Just take a look a these polls:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=319
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1198
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2727

And the format favors Pokemon and its more dedicated fanbase.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 6:42:45 PM | message detail

From: ZFS | #427
I've got no faith in Pokemon games doing anything, but even if I did, it's still going to be up against Final Fantasy. Give me Tactics there every time.


And you thought Star Ocean would beat Pokemon. Your Pokemon predictions aren't really that credible, sorry.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/18/2009 6:46:33 PM | message detail
Who would you think would win?

Final Fantasy Tactics vs. Super Metroid


After seeing Super Metroid struggle against Super Mario Kart? There's no reason Final Fantasy Tactics can't win that.

Not sure who I'd pick though. Not sure this is even a relevant question unless you're planning on pulling out the Pokemon/Metroid match.
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MetricTrout | Posted 4/18/2009 6:47:13 PM | message detail
Did Ramza go from putting 43% on Kirby to barely beating Laharl? Yes he did. I would be pretty damn surprised if FFT ended up winning.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 6:47:14 PM | message detail
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Metroid_vs_Pokemon_2006

This is anothe reason to believe in Pokemon doing better.

It went from Pikachu being demolished by Fox, to now a pic that focuses on samus vs. pikachu as tight match between them.
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ZFS | Posted 4/18/2009 6:48:10 PM | message detail
And you thought Star Ocean would beat Pokemon. Your Pokemon predictions aren't really that credible, sorry.

You're also Albion. Nothing you say is really credible.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 6:48:53 PM | message detail

From: ZFS | #435
And you thought Star Ocean would beat Pokemon. Your Pokemon predictions aren't really that credible, sorry.

You're also Albion. Nothing you say is really credible.


Hogger.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/18/2009 6:49:16 PM | message detail
Stop bringing up Ramza as if he's indicative of FFT's strength. I could bust out the Metroid/Kirby match and say Kirby's turbo fodder.

Also, Super Metroid bombing doesn't really make that Pokemon/Metroid match look that impressive nowadays anyway. I think Pokemon's performance there is being way overrated just because we didn't expect it. And yeah, we didn't expect 65% on Star Ocean either, but how good is that, honestly?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 4/18/2009 6:49:37 PM | message detail
Pokemon is so much stronger right now than in 2004, and it just keeps getting stronger. Just take a look a these polls:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=319
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1198
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2727


Bad, bad reasoning. Unless you want to follow this -

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2983
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2993

- to its logical conclusion.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 6:50:21 PM | message detail
Stop bringing up Ramza as if he's indicative of FFT's strength. I could bust out the Metroid/Kirby match and say Kirby's turbo fodder.

But he's proven he's not since. FFT hasn't proven anything outside of bad polls for the PSP release to say otherwise.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/18/2009 6:50:57 PM | message detail
Yeah, because ports usually do great in GOTY polls!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 6:51:06 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2993

Thanks for posting this for me so I didn't have to do the work to show FFTs bad performance!
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ZFS | Posted 4/18/2009 6:52:43 PM | message detail
Seriously?

Check out the past GOTY polls -- tell me what Chrono Trigger did there.

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 6:53:06 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=366


Haha I love old polls
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/18/2009 6:55:26 PM | message detail
I like how people attack each other's credibility. It's a four-way games contest stopping acting like you know anything since really none of us know anything besides educated guesses.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 6:55:56 PM | message detail
You know, thats a good point. If anything, the people randomly filling out their brackets on gut seem to be doing better then us >_>
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/18/2009 6:56:45 PM | message detail
You know, thats a good point. If anything, the people randomly filling out their brackets on gut seem to be doing better then us >_>

My favourites bracket is 3 points ahead of me, lol.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/18/2009 6:57:16 PM | message detail
Also, the fact that Kirby has discredited the fact that how his series performs is not indicative of how he performs kinda destroys your argument about the Ramza/FFT comparison.
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MetricTrout | Posted 4/18/2009 6:57:40 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2983
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Putting up 43.3% on a Zelda game is pretty damn impressive to me.

Seeing Ramza go from 43% on Kirby to losing to Hogger suggests to me that the percentage of people who played FFT has gone down dramatically. Which means the only argument for FFT is franchise voting. And thanks for providing the two polls. We have 2 FF games scoring 5.5 and 11.25, respectively. Franchise voting is obviously not as big for FF as it is for other franchises.
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DiorHomme | Posted 4/18/2009 6:58:30 PM | message detail
This time, I am seriously getting post #500.
MetricTrout | Posted 4/18/2009 6:59:02 PM | message detail
... by other franchises, I mean mostly Mario and Zelda.
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