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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 681

greatone10 | Posted 4/18/2009 2:01:57 PM | message detail

From: MyWorldIsCrono | Posted: 4/18/2009 1:00:53 PM | #208
http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=%22Resident+Evil+2%22&word2=%22Resident+Evil+4%22

imo


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HaRRicH | Posted 4/18/2009 2:05:29 PM | message detail
After seeing the RE boost we've had in the last couple years, I'd be shocked if the best selling game in the RE series can't beat Goldeneye, which isn't really THAT strong.

As somebody who's used your argument for RE2 to justify it barely upsetting SMRPG, I'll sig-bet right now that GE not only beats RE2 but wins with 5+% to spare.


This is also why I don't have MGS1-3 doing anything worthwhile.

Right, because the series wasn't big before MGS4. That's why MGS4 wasn't hyped enough to justify buying a PS3 ever since it launched.
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/18/2009 2:06:50 PM | message detail
LOL
greatone and Harrich just layin the smackdown
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 2:06:58 PM | message detail
I'll sig-bet right now that GE not only beats RE2 but wins with 5+% to spare.

For how long?
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HaRRicH | Posted 4/18/2009 2:14:54 PM | message detail
Let's say two weeks; I've still got a sig-bet with BT about SSBB/SMG in R2, so I'll still want to be able to respect that if I wind up on the wrong side there.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 2:16:24 PM | message detail
Second line for 2 weeks sound good?
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HaRRicH | Posted 4/18/2009 2:17:05 PM | message detail
Yeah, deal. Now I just gotta think of something good...!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 2:17:41 PM | message detail
Deal :D
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/18/2009 2:18:13 PM | message detail
DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUN
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 2:25:33 PM | message detail
Lets just cover our bases now

lets say that for some strange reason, SMRPG wins, we still gonna keep the bet for who finishes 2nd within 5%?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/18/2009 2:26:21 PM | message detail
RE2 winning would be much stranger than Mario RPG winning.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 2:26:52 PM | message detail
I mean the match between re2/ge for second if SMRPG wins first.
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PhD_inTHC | Posted 4/18/2009 2:28:08 PM | message detail
RE2 > 007, sticking with the bracket.

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HaRRicH | Posted 4/18/2009 2:29:49 PM | message detail
May as well keep the bet going in that scenario -- if we're just concerned with RE2 and GE, SMRPG and DKC2 shouldn't matter here.
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Mumei | Posted 4/18/2009 2:34:40 PM | message detail
Can we skip the rest of this match now? <_<

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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 4/18/2009 2:35:05 PM | message detail
If RE2 advances, it'll be more because of SMRPG being weak (since MK2's performance is making SF2 look like a joke).
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HaRRicH | Posted 4/18/2009 2:36:32 PM | message detail
So then, how would Sonic 1 look against Goldeneye?

I don't expect SMRPG to compete for first at all.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/18/2009 2:36:38 PM | message detail

From: XxSoulxX | #209
I don't really understand what's happening to this topic. First it's people thinking MK2 had a chance of upsetting Sonic 2. Others followed that stupidity with thinking Earthbound could beat Super Mario World 2. Now this...


No offense but you're acting a little too arrogant. Please. Get off your high horse about these upsets already. We've had too many "you're all idiots for taking this upset" for ANYBODY to consider anything enough to criticize about somebody about. I swear if Earthbound even comes close to winning, you'll never hear the end of it.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/18/2009 2:38:13 PM | message detail
So then, how would Sonic 1 look against Goldeneye?

I don't expect SMRPG to compete for first at all.


The only reason I wouldn't be surprised if it did would be because GoldenEye's overrated, not because Mario RPG's super strong.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/18/2009 2:40:37 PM | message detail
In RE's defense, I think the old games have been unfairly seen as a joke ever since 2004. As I said before, RE drew what may have been its worse possible opponent in Round 1. It was paired up against what was easily the biggest PS1 entity without "Final Fantasy" in the title. If that wasn't enough, that very entity then went on to get its own ass SFF-handed to it. Contrast that with another Playstation title like Symphony of the Night, which faced completely contrasting games and looked a lot better. If their bracket positions had been switched, how differently would we see the two today? Could Resident Evil have beaten Perfect Dark?

Basically keep an eye out on RE2 is all I'm sayin, boy-os.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/18/2009 2:42:50 PM | message detail

From: PartOfYourWorld | #270
Could Resident Evil have beaten Perfect Dark?


I really doubt it for some reason.

Like somebody said earlier, if RE could easily be beaten by MGS, I don't see why Goldeneye wouldn't hurt it either.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 4/18/2009 2:44:34 PM | message detail
Perfect Dark could beat RE1. N64 ownership on GameFAQs was strangely high
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 2:45:17 PM | message detail
Back then, I'd take Perfect Dark.

Now? RE, easily.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/18/2009 2:51:46 PM | message detail
Dunno about "easily," but I can certainly RE winning, and I bet most people here can as well. Now, knowing that SotN only beat Perfect Dark with 53%, why is it unreasonable to think RE2 might just rival SotN's strength?
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HaRRicH | Posted 4/18/2009 2:52:13 PM | message detail
I would have probably taken RE > PD pre-2004's results, though now in hindsight I would think PD > RE for sure in 2004. RE's relying on two awkward SFF-situations that we called SFF for after the fact, never before. Solid Snake had his worst year by far in 2004, so MGS may have done worse than usual too despite MGS:TTS; RE may have deserved to normally lose by more than what we saw. C:SotN also kicked RE's ass in the Top 100 List a year and a half after BGE1 (#15 to #53).

You can make a case for RE to be stronger, but I'm not taking RE1 > C:SotN or even taking RE1 to get that close to C:SotN...I think we've tried to cut it a lot of slack, looking back on it, and we don't know how much of a break RE1 really deserves yet.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/18/2009 2:55:51 PM | message detail
Argh, too much List talk.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 2:57:15 PM | message detail
Halo > FFX

The List says it so you can't argue it!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/18/2009 3:01:51 PM | message detail
Speaking of the List, is anyone taking MGS or GE over FFVI now, especially after yesterday's performance?
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/18/2009 3:02:26 PM | message detail
No offense but you're acting a little too arrogant. Please. Get off your high horse about these upsets already. We've had too many "you're all idiots for taking this upset" for ANYBODY to consider anything enough to criticize about somebody about. I swear if Earthbound even comes close to winning, you'll never hear the end of it.

How could I be acting arrogant when I'm stating a foregone conclusion on what's going to happen?

Would you take FFVIII over FFVII? If you've seen someone seriously arguing that match, would you not question their intelligence? That's all I did there.
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HaRRicH | Posted 4/18/2009 3:05:04 PM | message detail
Hey, the Top 100 List can't always be right! It's not all wrong either though.....


I'd love to see MGS or GE beat FF3/6...let's finish R1 and we'll talk about upset possibilities there.
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HaRRicH | Posted 4/18/2009 3:07:00 PM | message detail
Also, Soul, as somebody who took MK2 to get to R3 and EB > SMW2:YI...

...let's just say I'm reconsidering AKI Man if I win! =P
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/18/2009 3:08:28 PM | message detail
Hey, the Top 100 List can't always be right! It's not all wrong either though.....

Of course it's not all wrong, but we can't be preaching it like it's the Gospel truth all the time either!
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HaRRicH | Posted 4/18/2009 3:11:18 PM | message detail
Haha, I don't mean to treat it like the (Top) 10 Commandments, but it's nice evidence to have on your side, especially when there's a big gap between games.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/18/2009 3:12:02 PM | message detail
It's tenuous evidence at best because we haven't really seen it tested in an environment that isn't common sense.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 3:12:09 PM | message detail
Harrich is to The List as Albion is to Xstats
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HaRRicH | Posted 4/18/2009 3:13:15 PM | message detail
True, it's older and a completely different format. I wonder how well it may have worked three years ago though for one-on-one matches or four-ways.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/18/2009 3:14:21 PM | message detail
You can make a case for RE to be stronger, but I'm not taking RE1 > C:SotN or even taking RE1 to get that close to C:SotN

I wouldn't either, but I'm using to argue in favor of RE2, which I feel is stronger than the original. I'm sure it was left off the drop-down list in 2005, because there's no way RE1 nearly cracks the top 50 while 2 doesn't make the list.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 4/18/2009 3:14:32 PM | message detail
Speaking of the List, is anyone taking MGS or GE over FFVI now, especially after yesterday's performance?

I'd consider it, but I want to see 007 and MGS in action before really saying much about that.
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HaRRicH | Posted 4/18/2009 3:16:28 PM | message detail
RE2 wasn't on the drop-down box, though here's a fun-fact: RE: Code Veronica was...and didn't make the Top 100. Same goes for Metroid: Zero Mission.

Those are the only two games from big series I remember being in the drop-down box and still missed the Top 100.
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charmander6000 | Posted 4/18/2009 3:17:00 PM | message detail
??? weren't people saying that GoldenEye 007 would have an epic match with Super Mario 64 last week?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 3:17:38 PM | message detail
Code Veronica is also one of the lower tier RE games

RE series is RE4 > RE2 >>>> rest
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/18/2009 3:18:20 PM | message detail
??? weren't people saying that GoldenEye 007 would have an epic match with Super Mario 64 last week?

Apparently Resident Evil 2 is as strong as SM64.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/18/2009 3:18:58 PM | message detail
Apparently Resident Evil 2 is as strong as SM64.

According to whom?
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transience | Posted 4/18/2009 3:19:08 PM | message detail
ZM wasn't on the drop-down list. Fusion was.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/18/2009 3:19:51 PM | message detail
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 3:21:07 PM | message detail
I wouldn't consider Goldeneye a match for sm64 at all btw.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/18/2009 3:21:38 PM | message detail
I'm not sure what I think of GE or Mario 64, other than I think they're both overrated!
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/18/2009 3:22:43 PM | message detail

From: XxSoulxX | #279
How could I be acting arrogant when I'm stating a foregone conclusion on what's going to happen?

Would you take FFVIII over FFVII? If you've seen someone seriously arguing that match, would you not question their intelligence? That's all I did there.


There's a world of difference there. We've seen FFVII. We've never seen SMW2.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/18/2009 3:24:41 PM | message detail
There's a world of difference there. We've seen FFVII. We've never seen SMW2.

We've never seen Link's Awakening either, and look how strong that turned out to be.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 4/18/2009 3:26:06 PM | message detail
We didn't see Link's Awakening, but how many people called it a lock and questioned the other side's intelligence?

I don't remember a single one. At least sincerely.
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