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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 681

Lopen | Posted 4/18/2009 12:58:03 PM | message detail
It will against Goldeneye, I mean.

Goldeneye is a massively popular game on a Nintendo console. Old as it may be there's no reason it shouldn't win the day vote against Resident Evil.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/18/2009 12:58:05 PM | message detail

From: MyWorldIsCrono | #190
Not to mention this might be a time RE actually wins the day vote. RE is much more elevant to kids then an old fps thatm ost kids these days don't even know about compared to the Halos and Call of Dutys


See, the thing is, these "kids" grew up with the N64 generation. All the 16-18 year olds that are the most popular agegroup on this site all started with the N64/PS1 generation of games. Goldeneye to them is what Mario 3 is to us.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/18/2009 12:58:56 PM | message detail

From: MyWorldIsCrono | #200
just like shining force was gonna make cuts on secret of mana in the europe hours?


I took that back in the next post when I realized it would be a showing of good taste by Europe if that happened, and Europe can't possibly have good taste.
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transience | Posted 4/18/2009 12:59:03 PM | message detail
RE2 over Goldeneye am I really seeing this argument?
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transience | Posted 4/18/2009 12:59:15 PM | message detail
I mean, RE4 and Goldeneye is an argument to be had, not RE2
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 12:59:27 PM | message detail
The reason I think Goldeneye will do horrible during the day is because its aged horribly, and for younger people who try to play it nowadays, its total crap. It only has nostalgia for it these days. So I can't see kids voting for it in droves.
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transience | Posted 4/18/2009 1:00:27 PM | message detail
I like how you say Goldeneye's aged horribly and then argue for RE2

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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 1:00:53 PM | message detail
http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=%22Resident+Evil+2%22&word2=%22Resident+Evil+4%22

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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/18/2009 1:02:40 PM | message detail
I don't really understand what's happening to this topic. First it's people thinking MK2 had a chance of upsetting Sonic 2. Others followed that stupidity with thinking Earthbound could beat Super Mario World 2. Now this...

I know the contest is running a little dry after the first few matches, but please, for Christ's sake, don't argue over locks and try to make something out of nothing. Argue over OoT Vs. FFVII if you want, or why SFF/LFF isn't happening here, but don't try to argue for these pointless matches.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 1:03:37 PM | message detail
There is no reason to think Goldeneye finishing first is a lock. Sure, its the favorite, but definently not a lock.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/18/2009 1:04:43 PM | message detail
I never said it's a lock for first. It's a lock to beat RE2. SMRPG could beat Goldeneye if Square fans and Mario fans vote for it in droves, but Goldeneye would finish second there if that was the case.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/18/2009 1:05:49 PM | message detail

From: MyWorldIsCrono | #206
The reason I think Goldeneye will do horrible during the day is because its aged horribly, and for younger people who try to play it nowadays, its total crap. It only has nostalgia for it these days. So I can't see kids voting for it in droves.


So let me get this straight. The game that basically gave birth to the console FPS and has proven strength and a large N64 fanbase behind it will lose to a terribly aged, zombie shooter that really contributed nothing and has a history of mediocrity?

That aside, look at Resident Evil's day votes in the past. I'm convinced RE2 would lose the day to Alucard.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 1:05:53 PM | message detail
Thats another reason why I got RE2 finishing first. Nearly sff free while Goldeneye dealing with 2 way Nintendo SFF.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 1:06:35 PM | message detail
The game that basically gave birth to the console FPS

Doom lost the day vote to DONKEY KONG.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/18/2009 1:07:20 PM | message detail
Except that other then the extreme case of SMB/Duck Hunt, there's been no proof of any SFF in this contest. And it could be argued that there wasn't any SFF in the SMB/DH/NG match.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 1:07:45 PM | message detail
And it could be argued that there wasn't any SFF in the SMB/DH/NG match.

By an idiot, maybe.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 4/18/2009 1:08:28 PM | message detail
Or by franchise voting, which has been much more prominent in every match then SFF/LFF.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 1:09:34 PM | message detail
And would Resident Evil not garner moer franchise voting then Goldeneye, which isn't even a franchise? And you seem to have forgotten about Sonic 3/Mario Kart/Metroid killing Sonic 3.
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Lopen | Posted 4/18/2009 1:09:45 PM | message detail
Wait

You use SFF as justification for your pick then you turn around and berate Doom's performance. That if anything should make it obvious that only the worst kind of SFF is going to vault RE2 into contention here. And that SFF isn't evident in this match.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 4/18/2009 1:10:20 PM | message detail
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Argue over OoT Vs. FFVII if you want, or why SFF/LFF isn't happening here, but don't try to argue for these pointless matches.


Speaking of which, WHY isn't SFF/LFF working? Any ideas about it? I can understand some cases of it not happening (DKC being an untested entry and all, for example), but others are baffling.
MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 1:11:02 PM | message detail

From: Lopen | #219
Wait

You use SFF as justification for your pick then you turn around and berate Doom's performance. That if anything should make it obvious that only the worst kind of SFF is going to vault RE2 into contention here. And that SFF isn't evident in this match.


SFF is evident in any match. And a match that should be as close as this, SFF can be the winning factor for RE2. A SFF beat down and SFF hurting it enough to lose is different.
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Lopen | Posted 4/18/2009 1:11:39 PM | message detail
It's working, it's just not working enough to matter. Trust me, we'll see some cases where it's going to be nasty later. First sample of this will be SSBM vs Wind Waker I think.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 4/18/2009 1:14:14 PM | message detail
Then, why isn't is working as intended? We all thought DKC was going to get fodderized by LttP, that Sonic 3 would eke out a win as SMK and SM were duking it out, etc., yet it never actually worked as we thought it would.
XxSoulxX | Posted 4/18/2009 1:15:54 PM | message detail

Speaking of which, WHY isn't SFF/LFF working? Any ideas about it? I can understand some cases of it not happening (DKC being an untested entry and all, for example), but others are baffling.


I believe games are different from characters. People have much more affection for actual games then they do of the characters.

We will see SFF in matches like OoT/SM64, but for other matches (like for games on the Playstations or SNES where there is multiple huge fanbases) you won't see it so clearly.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/18/2009 1:22:07 PM | message detail

From: XxSoulxX | #224

Speaking of which, WHY isn't SFF/LFF working? Any ideas about it? I can understand some cases of it not happening (DKC being an untested entry and all, for example), but others are baffling.


I believe games are different from characters. People have much more affection for actual games then they do of the characters.

We will see SFF in matches like OoT/SM64, but for other matches (like for games on the Playstations or SNES where there is multiple huge fanbases) you won't see it so clearly.


I already said this, but with games that are that old, all of the popular games are for the most part overlapping due to the playership being high for all of them. SFF is so universal in these divisions that you don't notice it in cases where it should seem like there would be more. Perfect example is that Super Metroid match. A lot of us (me included) assumed that SNES SFF would allow Sonic 3 a free ride to the next round, but all 3 of those games were so universally played that the SFF hurt Sonic just as much as it did SMK and SM.

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MetricTrout | Posted 4/18/2009 1:23:33 PM | message detail
SFF is working. It just so happens that non-Squintendo entities are hilariously weak.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 4/18/2009 1:23:34 PM | message detail
As for DK/Doom, DK did get hurt, it's just that Doom sucks so much it wasn't strong enough to capitalize.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/18/2009 1:26:02 PM | message detail
Damn, looks like I missed the meat of this argument.

Most of us are in agreement that RE2 has a very fighting chance for second place, right? That's all I'm arguing.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 4/18/2009 1:28:07 PM | message detail
SFF is working. It just so happens that non-Squintendo entities are hilariously weak.

Explain the last match, then. If there was LFF between MMX and LA (certainly less of a stretch than 007 and SMRPG), then how in the world did LA get 43.9% on FFVI? (How in the world did that happen assuming no LFF is a valid question as well, I think.)
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/18/2009 1:32:32 PM | message detail
Trust me, we'll see some cases where it's going to be nasty later. First sample of this will be SSBM vs Wind Waker I think.

I really, really, really, really doubt SSBM blasts Wind Waker with SFF. The hate for that game is overrated on Board 8, just like the hate for...well, every major game for a major franchise.

Very impressed with Secret of Mana's performance here. I really didn't expect it to do this well. 26% in a poll with Sonic 2 and MKII is legit stuff. Sonic 2, on the other hand...

Street Fighter II vs. Mortal Kombat II: Who you got?

Sonic 1 vs. Sonic 2 (directly and indirectly): Who you got?
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 4/18/2009 1:34:17 PM | message detail
Attack of the sequels: SFII and Sonic 2. SFII is most certainly bigger than MK2, and Sonic 2 has Super Sonic while Sonic 1 lacks him, so it wins almost by default. :p
Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/18/2009 1:36:50 PM | message detail
Goldeneye and Super Mario RPG are gonna clean house tomorrow. Just face it. The sequels are screwed.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 1:37:27 PM | message detail
RE2 has second as the minimum.
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KanzarisKelshen | Posted 4/18/2009 1:40:56 PM | message detail
I dunno. SMRPG Is a very strong game (insert "ITS FREAKIN' MARIO!" here), and Goldeneye is Goldeneye. It would take a pretty big swing in popularity for RE2 to win this one, at least easily.
Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/18/2009 1:42:03 PM | message detail
Honestly, even though technically there are 3 "Nintendo" entities in the next match, they are all completely different games with completely different fanbases I'll wager. Literally the only huge perceivable overlap is Mario and Donkey Kong, which more or less spells doom for DKC2 and will probably get it last place unfortunately. But that doesn't effect Goldeneye nor RE2, meaning if anything, the only game that would get some kind of special benefit is Super Mario RPG.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/18/2009 1:44:26 PM | message detail
Yesterday's chart:

Time | FFVI | MMX | PSIV | LOZ: LA | Demographic
EBV | 37.39% | 27.13% | 4.94% | 30.55% | (0:00-0:05)
PHV | 38.21% | 26.83% | 4.42% | 30.55% | (0:00-1:00)
FNV | 41.17% | 25.57% | 4.04% | 29.22% | (1:00-6:00)
BSV | 42.57% | 20.94% | 3.91% | 32.58% | (6:00-9:00)
DSV | 41.38% | 23.88% | 4.09% | 30.65% | (9:00-14:30)
ASV | 38.42% | 25.04% | 3.75% | 32.80% | (14:30-22:00)
SNV | 37.91% | 25.83% | 3.86% | 32.40% | (22:00-24:00)

FFVI stays above 40% during the night and the morning, but the ASV and even the second night vote were not kind to it. The early morning vote owned MMX. LA did the worst during the night, but once morning hit, it seemed to excel. PSIV with the board vote?

Yesterday's stats:

Final Fantasy VI – 50.00%
Link’s Awakening – 43.91%
Mega Man X – 38.08%
Phantasy Star IV – 9.02%
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/18/2009 1:44:59 PM | message detail
I'm glad LA did well. Most overlooked Zelda title ever prolly.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/18/2009 1:45:45 PM | message detail
And after how tame "LFF" has been so far this contest, I'm confident Mario RPG is going to beat RE2 tomorrow. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised to see DKC2 in third!

...Okay, I would, but still! Fanboyism abounds!
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 1:47:17 PM | message detail
You willing to account bet DKC beating re2?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 4/18/2009 1:48:40 PM | message detail
...Do you even read posts?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 1:49:18 PM | message detail
Yes, you're saying that your fanboyism is making you think that DKC will beat re2, so why not try to take advantage of your fanboyism?
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/18/2009 1:49:19 PM | message detail
Just for ****s and giggles, where does everyone think Zelda II falls in the hierarchy? I know I saw a Zelda tier list just a few topics back, but I don't recall seeing where Zelda II ranked on there, I figure mostly because we haven't seen it in a contest setting. But now that we've seen LA in action, where would this one fall?
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 1:50:04 PM | message detail
zelda 2 would likely get 50% in super mario bros 3 4pack
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/18/2009 1:50:37 PM | message detail
That's absurd Albion.

Does anyone have any REAL input on this matter
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 1:51:06 PM | message detail
Its zelda against a bunch of unknowns

how is that absurd
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 4/18/2009 1:51:32 PM | message detail
Oh, I thought you meant WITH SMB3 present. My bad.
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MyWorldIsCrono | Posted 4/18/2009 1:54:23 PM | message detail
oh and about re2

I think it likely WON'T beat re2. I think goldeneye > re2 is most likely, and thats what my bracket has

But I just won't be surprised if RE2 wins. And I think it'll be close, within a few percentage points, even if it does lose.
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Breakdown777 | Posted 4/18/2009 1:56:37 PM | message detail
Zelda 2 would probably be on par with the Sonic games, maybe as little weaker.

Shame too, I love that game.
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MetricTrout | Posted 4/18/2009 1:57:47 PM | message detail
RE2 will probably finish last, maybe third.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 4/18/2009 1:58:36 PM | message detail
I love RE2 to death, but I don't think it can ever challenge for first place today. However, unless franchise voting is vicious (or unless Mario RPG was SFF'D by Chrono Trigger and has maintained its popularity well), it won't need to. I still believe RE2 is within earshot of SotN, and if Mario is hampered at all by the other Nintendo games' presence, that could be enough strength to get the job done.
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